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Postby Insaeldor » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:41 am

United Christian America wrote:
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Are all tea partyers this much into conspiracy theories and believe in pipe dreams?


The Lord's Work is No Pipe Dream!

Insaeldor wrote:You don't know much about american politics do you? Ever watched CSPAN? Yeah well when you get the chance to look at Ted while he's not filibustering something he sounds a lot like Reagen, and a lot like the Bush's, and really just sounds like most ever other Republican.


Well, yes, but if you've watched his recent announcement of his Presidential Bid at Liberty University, you'd note that he declared he would champion small government and remove governmental surveillance.


That is exactly what every republicans running on. Whats your point?
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Postby United Christian America » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:43 am

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In a Christian Moral Regime, the military would be Christian Soldiers fighting for the faithful. They would not dare attack God's servants. That horrible part of Romanian history would not repeat itself in a devout Christian regime, as servants of God would not turn on one another.

However, if martial law had to be declared, would it not be better for soldiers to be guided by Christian moral principles under a God who is omnipotent and omnibenevolent than soldiers guided by man's moral law that can change and is sometimes harmful to people?

Either way, you are familiar with the Salem Witch Trials, no? Many predict that that would be the result of a Christian government. I leave it to your discretion whether that would be beneficial or not.


Innocent people being falsely accused of something they didn't do because a couple of stupid girls caused mass hysteria in a small town? Oh but on a national scale? Yeah that sounds fucking awful this isn't the 1600's lets leave that bullshit in the past alright.


If you recall, in the United States of America the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution prevents one from incriminating oneself. The Sixth Amendment ensures the right to a fair trial. Both ensure the right to a jury. Therefore, the people who would be on trial would have a trial and a jury to determine their guilt. It would not be like the 1600s because the Constitution gives rights that weren't available to people back then.
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Postby Lost heros » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:44 am

United Christian America wrote:
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Innocent people being falsely accused of something they didn't do because a couple of stupid girls caused mass hysteria in a small town? Oh but on a national scale? Yeah that sounds fucking awful this isn't the 1600's lets leave that bullshit in the past alright.


If you recall, in the United States of America the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution prevents one from incriminating oneself. The Sixth Amendment ensures the right to a fair trial. Both ensure the right to a jury. Therefore, the people who would be on trial would have a trial and a jury to determine their guilt. It would not be like the 1600s because the Constitution gives rights that weren't available to people back then.

Guilt of what? Being witches?
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Postby United Christian America » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:45 am

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The Lord's Work is No Pipe Dream!



Well, yes, but if you've watched his recent announcement of his Presidential Bid at Liberty University, you'd note that he declared he would champion small government and remove governmental surveillance.


That is exactly what every republicans running on. Whats your point?


That this time, Ted Cruz will practice what he preaches! You're right, Washington is broken and the Republican Party is too left-wing. Only the Tea Party Republicans can bring America towards a more Christian Moral Government!
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Postby United Christian America » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:46 am

Lost heros wrote:
United Christian America wrote:
If you recall, in the United States of America the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution prevents one from incriminating oneself. The Sixth Amendment ensures the right to a fair trial. Both ensure the right to a jury. Therefore, the people who would be on trial would have a trial and a jury to determine their guilt. It would not be like the 1600s because the Constitution gives rights that weren't available to people back then.

Guilt of what? Being witches?


Perhaps. Wiccans are not Christian after all. But no, guilty of various crimes including persecution of Christians, conducting the war on Christmas, and generally committing sins forbidden by the bible such as seafood consumption, wearing polyester, sodomy, and lusting in one's heart.
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Postby The balkens » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:46 am

United Christian America wrote:
Insaeldor wrote:
That is exactly what every republicans running on. Whats your point?


That this time, Ted Cruz will practice what he preaches! You're right, Washington is broken and the Republican Party is too left-wing. Only the Tea Party Republicans can bring America towards a more Christian Moral Government!


Excuse myself while i check myself in at my local psych ward.

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Postby United Christian America » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:47 am

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That this time, Ted Cruz will practice what he preaches! You're right, Washington is broken and the Republican Party is too left-wing. Only the Tea Party Republicans can bring America towards a more Christian Moral Government!


Excuse myself while i check myself in at my local psych ward.


I'm sorry to hear that. Get well soon.
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Postby Dejanic » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:50 am

Lol, Ted Cruz is the most stereotypical corporate Conservative Christian establishment drone ever, I don't see how any one can support such a guy. Oh but he was born in Canada, so I'm guessing he can emphasise with former soviet citizens and claim he "fled Socialism" (in the minds of the GOP).

I love this quote on foreign policy.

Cruz has said that he is "somewhere in between" Rand Paul's isolationism and John McCain's active interventionism.

LOL, I think 99 percent of the WORLD are inbetween Rand Pauls queer isolationism, and John McCains "BOMB THE BROWNS INVADE IRAN NORTH KOREA NUKE COMIES" foreign policy. That's like saying on economics.

"I'm somewhere inbetween Murray Rothbards Anarcho Capitalism and Iosif Vissarionovich Stalins active central planning".
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Postby Lost heros » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:52 am

United Christian America wrote:
Lost heros wrote:Guilt of what? Being witches?


Perhaps. Wiccans are not Christian after all. But no, guilty of various crimes including persecution of Christians, conducting the war on Christmas, and generally committing sins forbidden by the bible such as seafood consumption, wearing polyester, sodomy, and lusting in one's heart.

So basically almost everyone is burned at the stake except for some stupid reason such as eating a cheeseburger or wearing a blended shirt. Hmm, I think I'll pass
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Postby Castille de Italia » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:54 am

Maybe I will have to swallow my pride and vote for Hillary.

Shit. I hope he doesn't get the nomination.
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Postby Insaeldor » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:54 am

United Christian America wrote:
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Innocent people being falsely accused of something they didn't do because a couple of stupid girls caused mass hysteria in a small town? Oh but on a national scale? Yeah that sounds fucking awful this isn't the 1600's lets leave that bullshit in the past alright.


If you recall, in the United States of America the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution prevents one from incriminating oneself. The Sixth Amendment ensures the right to a fair trial. Both ensure the right to a jury. Therefore, the people who would be on trial would have a trial and a jury to determine their guilt. It would not be like the 1600s because the Constitution gives rights that weren't available to people back then.

Then why try and make a comparison.

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Insaeldor wrote:
That is exactly what every republicans running on. Whats your point?


That this time, Ted Cruz will practice what he preaches! You're right, Washington is broken and the Republican Party is too left-wing. Only the Tea Party Republicans can bring America towards a more Christian Moral Government!


How do you know? How do you know absolutly that he will do as he says to the T. Do you know him? Also on that note why bring america to a "christian moral government"? After all the constitution aside from a few references to God is written as a completly secular document and even says established law shall not treat a religious view with preference. Hell the mentions of "God" are ment to be ambiguous anyways so that it could translate over to other faiths. Also what about the 30% and growing number of non-christians? Are we just going to have to subjugate ourselves to a religiously backed moral system we don't believe in? That's true authoritarianism right there my friend.
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Postby Atlanticatia » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:55 am

Can Cruz even run since he's not a 'natural-born citizen'?

I DEMAND TO SEE HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE!! I BET HE IS ACTUALLY A COMMIE FROM CUBA WITH A FAKE CANADIAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!! *nods*

(Seriously though, if the GOP and Fox News rally around Ted Cruz, it'll be extremely hypocritical since they spent years going on and on about how Obama should be impeached because he is actually a Muslim from Kenya.)
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Postby Fanosolia » Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:16 pm

United Christian America wrote:
Fanosolia wrote:
Are all tea partyers this much into conspiracy theories and believe in pipe dreams?


The Lord's Work is No Pipe Dream!.


Let's ignore whether or not that it's "the lords work" and get down to the important stuff.

"No more abortions"? Other than being hypocritical of "stop meddling with others lives", it's highly unrealistic. Case in point, a pipe dream.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:24 pm

United Christian America wrote:
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That is exactly what every republicans running on. Whats your point?


That this time, Ted Cruz will practice what he preaches! You're right, Washington is broken and the Republican Party is too left-wing. Only the Tea Party Republicans can bring America towards a more Christian Moral Government!


Indeed he will. Stupid is; stupid does.
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Postby Zurkerx » Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:25 pm

Atlanticatia wrote:Can Cruz even run since he's not a 'natural-born citizen'?

I DEMAND TO SEE HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE!! I BET HE IS ACTUALLY A COMMIE FROM CUBA WITH A FAKE CANADIAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!! *nods*

(Seriously though, if the GOP and Fox News rally around Ted Cruz, it'll be extremely hypocritical since they spent years going on and on about how Obama should be impeached because he is actually a Muslim from Kenya.)


That it would be. Then again, the media will rally behind anyone with their political beliefs anyway.

United Christian America wrote:
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That is exactly what every republicans running on. Whats your point?


That this time, Ted Cruz will practice what he preaches! You're right, Washington is broken and the Republican Party is too left-wing. Only the Tea Party Republicans can bring America towards a more Christian Moral Government!


Yeah, sure let's go with that.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:26 pm

Butballs wrote:I don't want this idiot to win
Who would? Other than ultra conservatives. Between him and jeb bush, conservatives are pretty damned satisfied.


He won't.

Now being libertarian with a slight conservative lean, I say, one of the pauls should run


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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:27 pm

Fanosolia wrote:
United Christian America wrote:Hallelujah! If Ted Cruz becomes president, then Washington won't be broken anymore and government will stop meddling in our daily lives. No more surveillance! No more persecution of Christians! No more abortions! No more restrictions on freedom of speech and worship!


Are all tea partyers this much into conspiracy theories and believe in pipe dreams?


That and being Constitutional scholars.
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Postby Fanosolia » Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:30 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
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Are all tea partyers this much into conspiracy theories and believe in pipe dreams?


That and being Constitutional scholars.


I'm not sure If that's sarcasm or not (Though to be fair that's because of the one or two glaring flaws about that list that was given) or even if that's a good thing.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:35 pm

Atlanticatia wrote:Can Cruz even run since he's not a 'natural-born citizen'?

I DEMAND TO SEE HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE!! I BET HE IS ACTUALLY A COMMIE FROM CUBA WITH A FAKE CANADIAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!! *nods*

(Seriously though, if the GOP and Fox News rally around Ted Cruz, it'll be extremely hypocritical since they spent years going on and on about how Obama should be impeached because he is actually a Muslim from Kenya.)


Nahh. It doesn't have to go to that.

Cruz has most likely began his campaign to be vice-president.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:40 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Atlanticatia wrote:Can Cruz even run since he's not a 'natural-born citizen'?

I DEMAND TO SEE HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE!! I BET HE IS ACTUALLY A COMMIE FROM CUBA WITH A FAKE CANADIAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!! *nods*

(Seriously though, if the GOP and Fox News rally around Ted Cruz, it'll be extremely hypocritical since they spent years going on and on about how Obama should be impeached because he is actually a Muslim from Kenya.)


Nahh. It doesn't have to go to that.

Cruz has most likely began his campaign to be vice-president.

"Congratulations, <insert name of actual GOP nominee here>. Now, to help you with your grueling campaign, we're just going to tied this 16-ton weight to your ankle. Right over here, Senator ... I mean, Vice-presidential nominee Cruz!"
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Postby Melkor Unchained » Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:43 pm

Maybe I've just been watching too much "House of Cards" lately but I think Cruz's early announcement is a play for the rest of the party.

Think about it: he is in the basement, polling-wise. He has almost no legislative record to run on and minimal name recognition: most of the people who know who he is right now probably have a negative opinion of him overall. But he's so polarizing that party leadership has to know that his announcement with attract all sorts of attention from the media and bloggers alike.

Early polling frontrunners tend to sustain some damage early in the primary season, but early GOP leaders tend to do better than their Democratic counterparts and moves like this may be part of the reason why. If enough journalists and op-ed writers go apoplectic when Cruz announces, it will have less impact when they do it again for subsequent candidates. Early-announcing a candidate like Cruz could potentially take a lot of wind out of GOP critics' sails. So when Paul (who I think will be their 'golden boy' in 2016) announces later on and HuffPo churns out its nth op-ed about "why this guy is worse than Hitler," it will not have the same impact.
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Nahh. It doesn't have to go to that.

Cruz has most likely began his campaign to be vice-president.

"Congratulations, <insert name of actual GOP nominee here>. Now, to help you with your grueling campaign, we're just going to tied this 16-ton weight to your ankle. Right over here, Senator ... I mean, Vice-presidential nominee Cruz!"


He has no hope in hell to be the Pres. But if he can get enough of a percentage to win it for one of the two main contenders.......
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Postby Atlanticatia » Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:54 pm

Ted Cruz would be the most conservative nominee in GOP history. And Chris Christie would be the most liberal, followed by Jeb Bush. Heh.
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Postby British Home Counties » Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:18 pm

Atlanticatia wrote:Ted Cruz would be the most conservative nominee in GOP history. And Chris Christie would be the most liberal, followed by Jeb Bush. Heh.


Yeah, the mystical land where Ron and Rand Paul can in any sense be described as "conservative". This site has kind of weird calculations on how to measure a voting record.
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Atlanticatia wrote:Ted Cruz would be the most conservative nominee in GOP history. And Chris Christie would be the most liberal, followed by Jeb Bush. Heh.


Yeah, the mystical land where Ron and Rand Paul can in any sense be described as "conservative". This site has kind of weird calculations on how to measure a voting record.


Yeah, Ron Paul is actually a paleocon.
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