Do Disney Movies Really Empower Young Girls?

[Lleu llaw Gyffes]

Napoleon had cunning plans to seize Power. Hans had a cunning plan that failed.

Napoleon was defeated because Wellington was even better at generalling than Napoleon was. Napoleon was NOT defeated by the Power of Love. In fact, no real life general has ever been defeated by the Power of Love.

Maybe Camicon is right? Maybe this documentary of Arendelle History was NOT compiled from contemporary video footage? Maybe this documentary was a reconstruction done by actors in a studio?

[Dracoria]

Hans wants to seize power like Napoleon did in France.

Hans wasn't short and unstable, he's a sociopath.

News flash, Napoleon wasn't short for his day either. That image is a result of British cartoonists trying to make him seem small and childish next to the great, mighty British leaders, with their titles of nobility and all.

[Asterdan]

Hans wasn't short and unstable, he's a sociopath.

News flash, Napoleon wasn't short for his day either. That image is a result of British cartoonists trying to make him seem small and childish next to the great, mighty British leaders, with their titles of nobility and all.

5'6" isn't that short today either.

[Forsher]

Apparently they seemed to intend it to be 1800s. However, it looks more 1700s to me and, indeed, that feels like a more appropriate era as well.

It can't actually be matched to any time period. No matter when you try to claim it's set, there will be glaring anachronisms. For example there are 18th and 19th century technologies which are notably absent from the movie. Similarly if you say it is set earlier, you have to explain all the stuff mentioned above. It is a fantasy movie set in a fantasy world.

Yes, and I am saying that, when I saw it, that fantasy world looked as if it was inspired by the 1700s.

News flash, Napoleon wasn't short for his day either. That image is a result of British cartoonists trying to make him seem small and childish next to the great, mighty British leaders, with their titles of nobility and all.

5'6" isn't that short today either.

66" isn't even 1.7m. It's short, not teeny but definitely short. For a bloke, at least.

[Charellia]

It can't actually be matched to any time period. No matter when you try to claim it's set, there will be glaring anachronisms. For example there are 18th and 19th century technologies which are notably absent from the movie. Similarly if you say it is set earlier, you have to explain all the stuff mentioned above. It is a fantasy movie set in a fantasy world.

Yes, and I am saying that, when I saw it, that fantasy world looked as if it was inspired by the 1700s.

That's possible. The way the conversation was phrased it looked like you were trying to actually set it into a time period of history. But, yeah, the design of the world was probably inspired by that era.

[Prusla-Schelswig]

Young girls can get impowered? They need to? I don't get it...

Eh, have you ever noticed the increasingly younger ages where we see makeup use, platform shoes/sandals and use of bras?

By my mom's generation a 13-year-old using makeup would be a scandal.

https://newmatilda.com/2009/09/24/we-havent-come-long-way-baby

Doesn't conformation to "Pornographic Ideals" mean that any woman or girl who does so is a whore?

[United Russian Soviet States]

I wonder if Jennifer Lee wants young girls to hate reactionary imperialists like Hans. He gets punched by Anna in Frozen and get hit shoved into horse poop by a giant snowball in Frozen Fever.

[Charellia]

I wonder if Jennifer Lee wants young girls to hate reactionary imperialists like Hans. He gets punched by Anna in Frozen and get hit shoved into horse poop by a giant snowball in Frozen Fever.

If anything is going to make kids hate reactionary imperialists, its Star Wars. Frozen will make them hate scheming, power-hungry, bigoted, would-be dictators.

Aside from this, no writer with an awareness of history in this day and age is going to depict imperialists in a positive light. Not knowing how much damage they did.

[United Russian Soviet States]

I wonder if Jennifer Lee wants young girls to hate reactionary imperialists like Hans. He gets punched by Anna in Frozen and get hit shoved into horse poop by a giant snowball in Frozen Fever.

If anything is going to make kids hate reactionary imperialists, its Star Wars. Frozen will make them hate scheming, power-hungry, bigoted, would-be dictators.

Aside from this, no writer with an awareness of history in this day and age is going to depict imperialists in a positive light. Not knowing how much damage they did.

Is Hans a bigot?

[The Dragon Realms Empire]

I wonder if Jennifer Lee wants young girls to hate reactionary imperialists like Hans. He gets punched by Anna in Frozen and get hit shoved into horse poop by a giant snowball in Frozen Fever.

Either Hans is Reactionary or he is Conservative, They are, believe it not, not one and the same.
So make up your mind.

[United Russian Soviet States]

I wonder if Jennifer Lee wants young girls to hate reactionary imperialists like Hans. He gets punched by Anna in Frozen and get hit shoved into horse poop by a giant snowball in Frozen Fever.

Either Hans is Reactionary or he is Conservative, They are, believe it not, not one and the same.
So make up your mind.

He is both.

[Charellia]

If anything is going to make kids hate reactionary imperialists, its Star Wars. Frozen will make them hate scheming, power-hungry, bigoted, would-be dictators.

Aside from this, no writer with an awareness of history in this day and age is going to depict imperialists in a positive light. Not knowing how much damage they did.

Is Hans a bigot?

He tried to kill Elsa because of her natural abilities. He never tried to reason with her or trusted Anna to do the same. He just tried to kill her out of fear of her otherness. Admittedly it was politically favourable to him to do so, but it doesn't make his actions any less bigoted.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

I wonder if Jennifer Lee wants young girls to hate reactionary imperialists like Hans. He gets punched by Anna in Frozen and get hit shoved into horse poop by a giant snowball in Frozen Fever.

Or maybe they are just kids with no concept of reactionary ideology or politics in general who simply giggle at the bad guy getting his kumuppins or falling into poop. But that's too simple for you. I'm sure something as mundane and childish as the Oogieloves has some kind of perceived pagan agenda to you.

[Charellia]

I wonder if Jennifer Lee wants young girls to hate reactionary imperialists like Hans. He gets punched by Anna in Frozen and get hit shoved into horse poop by a giant snowball in Frozen Fever.

Or maybe they are just kids with no concept of reactionary ideology or politics in general who simply giggle at the bad guy getting his kumuppins or falling into poop. But that's too simple for you. I'm sure something as mundane and childish as the Oogieloves has some kind of perceived pagan agenda to you.

There is no such thing as an apolitical story. Even if kids aren't aware of the political aspects of what they are watching, it doesn't mean that those aspects aren't there, or that they don't influence those kids' beliefs. Which isn't to say that every kids movie has a political agenda, but every writer has beliefs and those beliefs affect the stories that they create.

[United Russian Soviet States]

Is Hans a bigot?

He tried to kill Elsa because of her natural abilities. He never tried to reason with her or trusted Anna to do the same. He just tried to kill her out of fear of her otherness. Admittedly it was politically favourable to him to do so, but it doesn't make his actions any less bigoted.

He tried to kill Elsa to save the nation.

[Camicon]

He tried to kill Elsa because of her natural abilities. He never tried to reason with her or trusted Anna to do the same. He just tried to kill her out of fear of her otherness. Admittedly it was politically favourable to him to do so, but it doesn't make his actions any less bigoted.

He tried to kill Elsa to save the nation.

Have you actually seen the movie? Because his motivations are made very clear, and that is not why he tried to kill Elsa.

[Charellia]

He tried to kill Elsa because of her natural abilities. He never tried to reason with her or trusted Anna to do the same. He just tried to kill her out of fear of her otherness. Admittedly it was politically favourable to him to do so, but it doesn't make his actions any less bigoted.

He tried to kill Elsa to save the nation.

Without even considering any sort of non-violent alternative, even though there was no evidence that Elsa was intentionally trying to do her people harm. Obviously killing her was in his own interest, so he may just have been exploiting people's fears, but his actions are still bigoted.

[Dracoria]

Either Hans is Reactionary or he is Conservative, They are, believe it not, not one and the same.
So make up your mind.

He is both.

Those two words are thrown around pretty haphazardly nowadays, but at their essence:
Conservative means someone kind of likes how something is now (or was before the last law changed it) and is extremely hesitant about change because they believe the changes are likely to make things worse. A reactionary thinks conservatives are idiots because things now suck, similar to how liberals do, but the reasoning is that things were totally better a century or two ago (sometimes a little less, sometimes a lot more). Now, I haven't seen the movie, but which of these does Hans fit better?

[United Russian Soviet States]

He tried to kill Elsa to save the nation.

Have you actually seen the movie? Because his motivations are made very clear, and that is not why he tried to kill Elsa.

I have seen it. You people just accept what Disney wants you to think.

He is both.

Those two words are thrown around pretty haphazardly nowadays, but at their essence:
Conservative means someone kind of likes how something is now (or was before the last law changed it) and is extremely hesitant about change because they believe the changes are likely to make things worse. A reactionary thinks conservatives are idiots because things now suck, similar to how liberals do, but the reasoning is that things were totally better a century or two ago (sometimes a little less, sometimes a lot more). Now, I haven't seen the movie, but which of these does Hans fit better?

Hans is more of a conservative.

[Camicon]

Have you actually seen the movie? Because his motivations are made very clear, and that is not why he tried to kill Elsa.

I have seen it. You people just accept what Disney wants you to think.

Yes, because Lord knows we can't trust the creator of a text to tell us what their intentions were when creating it.

[Forsher]

Is Hans a bigot?

He tried to kill Elsa because of her natural abilities. He never tried to reason with her or trusted Anna to do the same. He just tried to kill her out of fear of her otherness. Admittedly it was politically favourable to him to do so, but it doesn't make his actions any less bigoted.

No, he tried to kill Elsa because he was brother number thirteen and both sisters were either in his way or necessary components of his way.

The Duke/Baron/whatever he was did try to have Elsa killed because of her abilities.

[Asterdan]

Is Hans a bigot?

He tried to kill Elsa because of her natural abilities. He never tried to reason with her or trusted Anna to do the same. He just tried to kill her out of fear of her otherness. Admittedly it was politically favourable to him to do so, but it doesn't make his actions any less bigoted.

He tried to kill her in order to take the throne... The same reason he was going to let Anna die...

[The Biased Conservatives]

Time and time again Disney reminds us that the male dominated society makes women what they are.

If Mulan had not been a man she wouldn't have gotten half as far as she eventually did to save China

Beauty and the Beast? Stockholm Syndrome I won't entertain.

The Little Mermaid always wanted to be on land and play with the toys of man. When she saw Eric she realized what it's like to be human, the same libido shot it is to be any sexual creature.

Tangled, she is similarly wanting to see the world beyond her own life, here though she uses the man in a way that makes girls proud. Goes on an adventure, hits the man with a frying pan she inevitably cooked with years later, and falls in love to parents whose only way of looking for their "loved" daughter was leaving Riddler type clues around the place.

The only princess girls can look up to in any form is the classic; Cinderella. The downtrodden broad just wanted to party, to go to the ball in a dress to die for and go back home, that is all. Here the man convoluted the story and has to fall in love while simultaneously revealing a foot fetish.
So the lesson? Men are gross, but if they are rich go for it, all you've got to lose are a pair of shoes that weren't yours at the club/ball anyway.

[Oceasia]

Have you actually seen the movie? Because his motivations are made very clear, and that is not why he tried to kill Elsa.

I have seen it. You people just accept what Disney wants you to think.

Or maybe we analyzed the movie for ourselves and came to a conclusion.

[Charellia]

He tried to kill Elsa because of her natural abilities. He never tried to reason with her or trusted Anna to do the same. He just tried to kill her out of fear of her otherness. Admittedly it was politically favourable to him to do so, but it doesn't make his actions any less bigoted.

No, he tried to kill Elsa because he was brother number thirteen and both sisters were either in his way or necessary components of his way.

The Duke/Baron/whatever he was did try to have Elsa killed because of her abilities.

Note the last sentence of my post. He tried to kill her for political gain, but he justified it based on her abilities.