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Postby Giovenith » Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:02 pm

Naushantiya wrote:
Charellia wrote:I should point out that Disney's current stories don't inspire patriotism and duty in American children either. The movies are made for entertainment, not cultural education/indoctrination. People complain when stories are out of synch with evolving social values, Disney isn't actively trying to teach children anything, just to entertain them for a while.


Disney does teach them about their European heritage by making shows on folk tales such as Cinderella, Snow White and others, I have yet to see them make a cartoon on the Jataka, Mahabharata or Panchatantra.


No, some of them simply take place in European countries or are based on stories from that area. Unless you legitimately think that England is full of dragons and Germany has dwarves, the educational value on "their" heritage is about 0. Saying Disney movies teach kids about European cultural heritage is like saying anime teaches kids about Japanese cultural heritage.
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Postby Naushantiya » Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:07 pm

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Disney does teach them about their European heritage by making shows on folk tales such as Cinderella, Snow White and others, I have yet to see them make a cartoon on the Jataka, Mahabharata or Panchatantra.


No, some of them simply take place in European countries or are based on stories from that area. Unless you legitimately think that England is full of dragons and Germany has dwarves, the educational value on "their" heritage is about 0. Saying Disney movies teach kids about European cultural heritage is like saying anime teaches kids about Japanese cultural heritage.

With a few exceptions mainly 90 % of it is set in Europe and depicts European culture, The point is not of historical accuracy but of always portraying and almost constantly the cultural views and perceptions of one part of the world over another

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Postby Naushantiya » Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:20 pm

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Hungama primarily shows Japanese shows bought by Disney but that being said they do make the shows westernized in their other channels . A child that sees folk stories, historical stories from his own country would actually develop the feelings of patriotism and duty at an early age. Girls need strong female characters and historical and relatively modern characters need to be shown. I don't think Disney is capable of that, I think we need to protect our children from this kind of influence, I am thinking about all children in the country.

I don't think Disney would ever make shows on Strong women like Queen Chenamma, Queen Velu nachiyar, the queen of Jhansi, Empreress Tara bai, Chand Bibi ,Queen of Holkar. I doubt Disney would ever show a little Indian girl needs to see, A strong India lady, the chances of them making an animation on the film lives of the bengal lancers is higher. I think Disney and other channels can be forced to make such shows by the Government or it can face a ban.


I think Television has a social responsibility, Companies like Disney cannot indulge in Shameless cultural dumping like this

Disney is not a propoganda device, it has no duty whatsoever to induce patriotism in every nation it has channels in. It certainly does not do that in the US and Europe, why now does it suddenly have a duty to do so in India or Japan? Maybe, and I emphasize Mayne, media should have some sort of social responsibility but you seem to think it needs to be the sole source of instilling confidence in girls by indoctrinating them with cultural and national patriotism.


Disney is most certainly a propoganda device, It tries to bring the stories, folktales, and ideas of the West. It tries to bring about a culture of Perverted Western consumerism. I just found something you might find interesting. Disney is in the forefront of finding ways to capitalize on the $50 billion dollars spent worldwide by young boys between the ages of 6 and 14

Here you go
As part of such efforts, Disney has enlisted the help of educators, anthropologists and a former researcher with "a background in the casino industry" to not only study all aspects of the culture and intimate lives of young boys, but to do so in a way that allows Disney to produce "emotional hooks" that lure young boys into the wonderful world of corporate Disney in order to turn them into enthusiastic consumers.


http://truth-out.org/archive/component/ ... -innocence



Now the most watched show by Kid's in India is Chota Bheem, Chota bheem is a moral story in which the protagonist tries to instill the values of honesty,humility and humbleness, it is the most watched cartoon and one of the first in it's kind. Now this is aired by the rival of Disney named the Turner corporation, although it is produced independently. When every other Indian channel regardless of the target audience is switching to socially relevant shows, Disney still wants to fulfill it's agenda of Westernization. Disney programmes are archiac and are extremely violent in nature, I think it is the fundamental duty of every channel to air content that is relevant, Disney will loose it's share soon, if it doesn't change it's ways.

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Postby Giovenith » Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:20 pm

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No, some of them simply take place in European countries or are based on stories from that area. Unless you legitimately think that England is full of dragons and Germany has dwarves, the educational value on "their" heritage is about 0. Saying Disney movies teach kids about European cultural heritage is like saying anime teaches kids about Japanese cultural heritage.

With a few exceptions mainly 90 % of it is set in Europe and depicts European culture, The point is not of historical accuracy but of always portraying and almost constantly the cultural views and perceptions of one part of the world over another


Again: Being set in Europe is not the same thing as "educating" about "European heritage."

Disney's goal is not to education, let alone education about culture. While the movies might have cultural attitudes that are mainly found in the West, that is because they are a Western company primarily catering to the West. Any values they might have is a result of the people who work there being, surprise surprise, brought up with and used to those ideas, not out of some declared mission of, "Gather round kids and learn about your heritage!" They don't have a cultural agenda any more than Studio Gibli has a cultural agenda when it depicts fisherman towns or has characters taking off their shoes in-doors.

It's not Disney's job to be traveling around the world being the teacher on civilizations, it's their job to tell stories and entertain the people of their target audience in whatever way they can. That's what they're going to do. So no, it's not some "fault" or flaw of theirs' for not doing any stories based on ideas that few of their employees or target audience have ever heard of. They do "Western" things because that's what they know and are familiar with as people, not because they're trying to reign others in and educate them on cultural conformity.

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Bezkoshtovnya wrote:Disney is not a propoganda device, it has no duty whatsoever to induce patriotism in every nation it has channels in. It certainly does not do that in the US and Europe, why now does it suddenly have a duty to do so in India or Japan? Maybe, and I emphasize Mayne, media should have some sort of social responsibility but you seem to think it needs to be the sole source of instilling confidence in girls by indoctrinating them with cultural and national patriotism.


Disney is most certainly a propoganda device, It tries to bring the stories, folktales, and ideas of the West. It tries to bring about a culture of Perverted Western consumerism. I just found something you might find interesting. Disney is in the forefront of finding ways to capitalize on the $50 billion dollars spent worldwide by young boys between the ages of 6 and 14

Here you go
As part of such efforts, Disney has enlisted the help of educators, anthropologists and a former researcher with "a background in the casino industry" to not only study all aspects of the culture and intimate lives of young boys, but to do so in a way that allows Disney to produce "emotional hooks" that lure young boys into the wonderful world of corporate Disney in order to turn them into enthusiastic consumers.


http://truth-out.org/archive/component/ ... -innocence



Now the most watched show by Kid's in India is Chota Bheem, Chota bheem is a moral story in which the protagonist tries to instill the values of honesty,humility and humbleness, it is the most watched cartoon and one of the first in it's kind. Now this is aired by the rival of Disney named the Turner corporation, although it is produced independently. When every other Indian channel regardless of the target audience is switching to socially relevant shows, Disney still wants to fulfill it's agenda of Westernization. Disney programmes are archiac and are extremely violent in nature, I think it is the fundamental duty of every channel to air content that is relevant, Disney will loose it's share soon, if it doesn't change it's ways.


Oh no! A company not originating from your country or culture not sharing the same views and values as your country or culture? Sweet merciful Neptune!!

The fact that people from your country are buying their products and movies is not evidence that they are actively trying to indoctrinate everyone there to "Western" culture. Is the fact that I chose to buy an English dubbed DVD of "Sailor Moon," an anime which depicts girls as Shinto priestesses and being allowed to marry at 16, mean that the Toei Animation company is trying to brainwash me into Eastern culture?
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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:33 pm

Naushantiya wrote:
Bezkoshtovnya wrote:Disney is not a propoganda device, it has no duty whatsoever to induce patriotism in every nation it has channels in. It certainly does not do that in the US and Europe, why now does it suddenly have a duty to do so in India or Japan? Maybe, and I emphasize Mayne, media should have some sort of social responsibility but you seem to think it needs to be the sole source of instilling confidence in girls by indoctrinating them with cultural and national patriotism.


Disney is most certainly a propoganda device, It tries to bring the stories, folktales, and ideas of the West. It tries to bring about a culture of Perverted Western consumerism. I just found something you might find interesting. Disney is in the forefront of finding ways to capitalize on the $50 billion dollars spent worldwide by young boys between the ages of 6 and 14

Here you go
As part of such efforts, Disney has enlisted the help of educators, anthropologists and a former researcher with "a background in the casino industry" to not only study all aspects of the culture and intimate lives of young boys, but to do so in a way that allows Disney to produce "emotional hooks" that lure young boys into the wonderful world of corporate Disney in order to turn them into enthusiastic consumers.


http://truth-out.org/archive/component/ ... -innocence



Now the most watched show by Kid's in India is Chota Bheem, Chota bheem is a moral story in which the protagonist tries to instill the values of honesty,humility and humbleness, it is the most watched cartoon and one of the first in it's kind. Now this is aired by the rival of Disney named the Turner corporation, although it is produced independently. When every other Indian channel regardless of the target audience is switching to socially relevant shows, Disney still wants to fulfill it's agenda of Westernization. Disney programmes are archiac and are extremely violent in nature, I think it is the fundamental duty of every channel to air content that is relevant, Disney will loose it's share soon, if it doesn't change it's ways.

No, it does not. It uses stories to entertain it's audience. As someone else said, being set in Europe or otherwise the west does not equate to being a propoganda piece on it. Never mind the fact that several Disney products do not even take place in the west. As they also said, it is not Disney's job to go around educating people on their specific culture by any means, so it is not making a lot of sense to expect them to do so. How exactly are they archaic and violent, do tell. Are not many cultural tales and fables around the globe pretty involved with some sort of violence or another?

You can fabricate this sinister plot of pushing western values and culture but you are making mountains out of anthills.

Not sure what this story you presented is supposed to mean. It is what corporations do to best reach their target audience, Disney's being children obviously. It's a common practice.
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Postby Tigeria » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:18 pm

Snow White- she is innocent and kind to nature and dwarves.

Cinderella- the prom princess. On a serious note her only priority in life was to go dancing at a Royal ball, she wasn't looking for a man.

Aurora- true love conquers all.

Ariel- I consider Ariel the first truly empowering princess, as she could be seen as the princess of transitioning from mermaid to human, basically her story says to be happy with who you are, however it is you want to live your life.

Belle- she tamed the aggressive nature of a broken man and made him just.

Jasmine- she married for love, not for duty.

Pocahontas- prevented a war with the settlers of Jamestown.

Mulan- she went to war in her fathers place and saved a country and it's leader.

Tiana- she is the personification of the American Dream, and she inspired her prince to work as hard as her.

Repunzel- she was a damsel in distress who armed herself with a frying pan.

Merida- she never depended on a man to get anything done, she is also technically the first asexual princess.

Anna- she never gave up on her sister, even when shut out of Elsa's life for a big portion of her life, she immediately accepted her sister for who she truly is.

Elsa- self acceptance, love, and she might actually be the first lesbian princess, although that's debatable.
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:27 pm

All I know is that they're not very entertaining to me, with a few exceptions.
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Postby Caribica » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:28 pm

Naushantiya wrote:
Charellia wrote:I should point out that Disney's current stories don't inspire patriotism and duty in American children either. The movies are made for entertainment, not cultural education/indoctrination. People complain when stories are out of synch with evolving social values, Disney isn't actively trying to teach children anything, just to entertain them for a while.


Disney does teach them about their European heritage by making shows on folk tales such as Cinderella, Snow White and others, I have yet to see them make a cartoon on the Jataka, Mahabharata or Panchatantra.

What the f*ck is a Mahabharata?

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Tigeria wrote:Ariel- I consider Ariel the first truly empowering princess, as she could be seen as the princess of transitioning from mermaid to human, basically her story says to be happy with who you are, however it is you want to live your life.

How is The Little Mermaid about being happy with who you are? I mean, Ariel literally abandons everything that she's ever known and undergoes a complete transformation of her body just for Eric.
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Postby United Russian Soviet States » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:30 pm

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United Russian Soviet States wrote:Explain why they contribute to Planned Parenthood.

Because they support basic women's rights? How does this equate to Disney being a bunch of communist femenist radicals? Is there even proof of your allegations?

Planned Parenthood goes beyond basic women's rights. They are a part of a radical feminist agenda. Disney supports them. I would like someone like Joe McCarthy to come a long and expose Disney's leftist agenda. There is proof of my allegations against The Walt Disney Company.
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Luminesa wrote:I agree. Anna is cool, and I love Anna. She's spunky, sweet, and lovable. I loved her, in the movie. But she doesn't get the same exposure, per say, that Elsa gets. I mean, Elsa has the movie's theme song, and she's the first character most people think of, from the movie. We see Idina Menzel all the time, we never see Anna's actress, who didn't do a bad job herself. Not to mention I am sick and tired of hearing "Let It Go", the most pointless Disney movie song ever written.

My problem with Elsa herself is how Disney tried to make her this "progressive", "positive" character, when she really is an awfully underdeveloped and scattered character.


Do you know why she seems scattered? Because she's just found out that it's no longer possible for her to fit herself within (her perception of) the social expectations she's held to. A lot of social liberals have felt that way at some point in their lives, which is why we identify with her.

Elsa is actually the primary antagonist of the movie, and antagonists are often the most popular characters. Scar, Malefescent, etc. Despite our empathy for her, she is the cause of the problems that Anna needs to overcome.

I don't know where you're coming from saying that Elsa is underdeveloped. Her character arc is almost all development, and we see her come to terms with a new perception of who she is onscreen.

Elsa is the deuteragonist.
Tigeria wrote:Snow White- she is innocent and kind to nature and dwarves.

Cinderella- the prom princess. On a serious note her only priority in life was to go dancing at a Royal ball, she wasn't looking for a man.

Aurora- true love conquers all.

Ariel- I consider Ariel the first truly empowering princess, as she could be seen as the princess of transitioning from mermaid to human, basically her story says to be happy with who you are, however it is you want to live your life.

Belle- she tamed the aggressive nature of a broken man and made him just.

Jasmine- she married for love, not for duty.

Pocahontas- prevented a war with the settlers of Jamestown.

Mulan- she went to war in her fathers place and saved a country and it's leader.

Tiana- she is the personification of the American Dream, and she inspired her prince to work as hard as her.

Repunzel- she was a damsel in distress who armed herself with a frying pan.

Merida- she never depended on a man to get anything done, she is also technically the first asexual princess.

Anna- she never gave up on her sister, even when shut out of Elsa's life for a big portion of her life, she immediately accepted her sister for who she truly is.

Elsa- self acceptance, love, and she might actually be the first lesbian princess, although that's debatable.

If Elsa is the first lesbian princess, the movie deserves to be burned. Not by the government, but by private citizens.
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Postby Giovenith » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:31 pm

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Naushantiya wrote:
Disney does teach them about their European heritage by making shows on folk tales such as Cinderella, Snow White and others, I have yet to see them make a cartoon on the Jataka, Mahabharata or Panchatantra.

What the f*ck is a Mahabharata?


An epic tale from India.
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Postby Caribica » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:32 pm

Giovenith wrote:
Caribica wrote:What the f*ck is a Mahabharata?


An epic tale from India.

Hmm, never heard of it, I'll have to look it up.

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Postby Naushantiya » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:35 pm

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Naushantiya wrote:


The Fact as I have told everybody in the last posts is that Disney controls a fair share in this market through Acquisitions and Aggressive marketing, it's acquisition of UTV hungama has made sure that there is no Indigenous Cartoon Channel left. Your right Disney's goal is not Social good but profit, which is why socially malevolent channels like Disney ought to be banned. Now the point here is that Disney is not only operating in L' America but in around 40 countries around the globe exporting primarily American culture, and the American way of life, other companies cannot compete with Disney, not because they have better content but because Disney has access to vast resources. You would be right only they are exporting their shit to all other countries, We need to put restrictions on these foreign companies, If they are not doing anything good for society, it would be better to make cable television cheaper by delisting this silly channel.

They are even loosing market share to Turner corporation with their show Chootha Bheem on Pogo Channel, which actually deals with simple issues like honesty, humility,respect and others. I still think that American companies that deal in the media should not engage in this cultural dumping. Cable television is generally a tool for education, A 2007 study of cable coming to rural India showed that it led to "significant decreases in the reported acceptability of domestic violence towards women and son preference, as well as increases in women's autonomy and decreases in fertility." It also "found suggestive evidence that exposure to cable increases school enrollment for younger children, perhaps through increased participation of women in household decision-making
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http://www.nber.org/papers/w13305.pdf



Now I don't what your thinking but the constant bombardment of American Shows, American views and American Beliefs and American Culture does amount to propaganda, We need to protect our own animation Industry, Our own culture an the minds of our Children from this consumerism. Here is another source, which nobody bothered to rebutt actually states what Disney is doing in their country and what it holds for ours

Casino capitalism may be getting a bad rap in the mainstream media, but the values that nourish it are alive and well in the world of Disney.[1] As reported recently in a front-page article in The New York Times, Disney is in the forefront of finding ways to capitalize on the $50 billion dollars spent worldwide by young boys between the ages of 6 and 14.[2] As part of such efforts, Disney has enlisted the help of educators, anthropologists and a former researcher with "a background in the casino industry" to not only study all aspects of the culture and intimate lives of young boys, but to do so in a way that allows Disney to produce "emotional hooks" that lure young boys into the wonderful world of corporate Disney in order to turn them into enthusiastic consumers.[3]

http://truth-out.org/archive/component/ ... -innocence

I think that television is a medium to educate,inform the masses and create and stir up debate, which it does but Western channels in general do not. I would want rigid and socially corrupt channels like Disney out of Indian soil.

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Postby Caribica » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:36 pm

United Russian Soviet States wrote:
Bezkoshtovnya wrote:Because they support basic women's rights? How does this equate to Disney being a bunch of communist femenist radicals? Is there even proof of your allegations?

Planned Parenthood goes beyond basic women's rights. They are a part of a radical feminist agenda. Disney supports them. I would like someone like Joe McCarthy to come a long and expose Disney's leftist agenda. There is proof of my allegations against The Walt Disney Company.
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Do you know why she seems scattered? Because she's just found out that it's no longer possible for her to fit herself within (her perception of) the social expectations she's held to. A lot of social liberals have felt that way at some point in their lives, which is why we identify with her.

Elsa is actually the primary antagonist of the movie, and antagonists are often the most popular characters. Scar, Malefescent, etc. Despite our empathy for her, she is the cause of the problems that Anna needs to overcome.

I don't know where you're coming from saying that Elsa is underdeveloped. Her character arc is almost all development, and we see her come to terms with a new perception of who she is onscreen.

Elsa is the deuteragonist.
Tigeria wrote:Snow White- she is innocent and kind to nature and dwarves.

Cinderella- the prom princess. On a serious note her only priority in life was to go dancing at a Royal ball, she wasn't looking for a man.

Aurora- true love conquers all.

Ariel- I consider Ariel the first truly empowering princess, as she could be seen as the princess of transitioning from mermaid to human, basically her story says to be happy with who you are, however it is you want to live your life.

Belle- she tamed the aggressive nature of a broken man and made him just.

Jasmine- she married for love, not for duty.

Pocahontas- prevented a war with the settlers of Jamestown.

Mulan- she went to war in her fathers place and saved a country and it's leader.

Tiana- she is the personification of the American Dream, and she inspired her prince to work as hard as her.

Repunzel- she was a damsel in distress who armed herself with a frying pan.

Merida- she never depended on a man to get anything done, she is also technically the first asexual princess.

Anna- she never gave up on her sister, even when shut out of Elsa's life for a big portion of her life, she immediately accepted her sister for who she truly is.

Elsa- self acceptance, love, and she might actually be the first lesbian princess, although that's debatable.

If Elsa is the first lesbian princess, the movie deserves to be burned. Not by the government, but by private citizens.

Yeah isn't burning media that went against their teachings what the Nazis did?
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Postby Tigeria » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:36 pm

Arumdaum wrote:
Tigeria wrote:Ariel- I consider Ariel the first truly empowering princess, as she could be seen as the princess of transitioning from mermaid to human, basically her story says to be happy with who you are, however it is you want to live your life.

How is The Little Mermaid about being happy with who you are? I mean, Ariel literally abandons everything that she's ever known and undergoes a complete transformation of her body just for Eric.


Not originally, in her song part of your world she describes how she wants to be human, establishing that she wasn't wanting to transform anything for anyone. Eric was more of a side note, just another benefit of being human. Do transgender people transition to please someone else?
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Postby Caribica » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:39 pm

Naushantiya wrote:
Giovenith wrote:


The Fact as I have told everybody in the last posts is that Disney controls a fair share in this market through Acquisitions and Aggressive marketing, it's acquisition of UTV hungama has made sure that there is no Indigenous Cartoon Channel left. Your right Disney's goal is not Social good but profit, which is why socially malevolent channels like Disney ought to be banned. Now the point here is that Disney is not only operating in L' America but in around 40 countries around the globe exporting primarily American culture, and the American way of life, other companies cannot compete with Disney, not because they have better content but because Disney has access to vast resources. You would be right only they are exporting their shit to all other countries, We need to put restrictions on these foreign companies, If they are not doing anything good for society, it would be better to make cable television cheaper by delisting this silly channel.

They are even loosing market share to Turner corporation with their show Chootha Bheem on Pogo Channel, which actually deals with simple issues like honesty, humility,respect and others. I still think that American companies that deal in the media should not engage in this cultural dumping. Cable television is generally a tool for education, A 2007 study of cable coming to rural India showed that it led to "significant decreases in the reported acceptability of domestic violence towards women and son preference, as well as increases in women's autonomy and decreases in fertility." It also "found suggestive evidence that exposure to cable increases school enrollment for younger children, perhaps through increased participation of women in household decision-making
Source :
http://www.nber.org/papers/w13305.pdf



Now I don't what your thinking but the constant bombardment of American Shows, American views and American Beliefs and American Culture does amount to propaganda, We need to protect our own animation Industry, Our own culture an the minds of our Children from this consumerism. Here is another source, which nobody bothered to rebutt actually states what Disney is doing in their country and what it holds for ours

Casino capitalism may be getting a bad rap in the mainstream media, but the values that nourish it are alive and well in the world of Disney.[1] As reported recently in a front-page article in The New York Times, Disney is in the forefront of finding ways to capitalize on the $50 billion dollars spent worldwide by young boys between the ages of 6 and 14.[2] As part of such efforts, Disney has enlisted the help of educators, anthropologists and a former researcher with "a background in the casino industry" to not only study all aspects of the culture and intimate lives of young boys, but to do so in a way that allows Disney to produce "emotional hooks" that lure young boys into the wonderful world of corporate Disney in order to turn them into enthusiastic consumers.[3]

http://truth-out.org/archive/component/ ... -innocence

I think that television is a medium to educate,inform the masses and create and stir up debate, which it does but Western channels in general do not. I would want rigid and socially corrupt channels like Disney out of Indian soil.

Um, wow, just wow.

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Postby Tigeria » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:39 pm

"If Elsa is the first lesbian princess, the movie deserves to be burned. Not by the government, but by private citizens."



Why?
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Postby Caribica » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:41 pm

Tigeria wrote:"If Elsa is the first lesbian princess, the movie deserves to be burned. Not by the government, but by private citizens."



Why?

You shouldn't have asked that, oh well, too late now.

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Postby Tigeria » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:44 pm

Caribica wrote:
Tigeria wrote:"If Elsa is the first lesbian princess, the movie deserves to be burned. Not by the government, but by private citizens."



Why?

You shouldn't have asked that, oh well, too late now.


I just want to hear the rational and logical reason of burning a popular kids movie
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:45 pm

Tigeria wrote:
Caribica wrote:You shouldn't have asked that, oh well, too late now.


I just want to hear the rational and logical reason of burning a popular kids movie

It's subpar.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Caribica » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:46 pm

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Naushantiya wrote:
Giovenith wrote:


The Fact as I have told everybody in the last posts is that Disney controls a fair share in this market through Acquisitions and Aggressive marketing, it's acquisition of UTV hungama has made sure that there is no Indigenous Cartoon Channel left. Your right Disney's goal is not Social good but profit, which is why socially malevolent channels like Disney ought to be banned. Now the point here is that Disney is not only operating in L' America but in around 40 countries around the globe exporting primarily American culture, and the American way of life, other companies cannot compete with Disney, not because they have better content but because Disney has access to vast resources. You would be right only they are exporting their shit to all other countries, We need to put restrictions on these foreign companies, If they are not doing anything good for society, it would be better to make cable television cheaper by delisting this silly channel.

They are even loosing market share to Turner corporation with their show Chootha Bheem on Pogo Channel, which actually deals with simple issues like honesty, humility,respect and others. I still think that American companies that deal in the media should not engage in this cultural dumping. Cable television is generally a tool for education, A 2007 study of cable coming to rural India showed that it led to "significant decreases in the reported acceptability of domestic violence towards women and son preference, as well as increases in women's autonomy and decreases in fertility." It also "found suggestive evidence that exposure to cable increases school enrollment for younger children, perhaps through increased participation of women in household decision-making
Source :
http://www.nber.org/papers/w13305.pdf



Now I don't what your thinking but the constant bombardment of American Shows, American views and American Beliefs and American Culture does amount to propaganda, We need to protect our own animation Industry, Our own culture an the minds of our Children from this consumerism. Here is another source, which nobody bothered to rebutt actually states what Disney is doing in their country and what it holds for ours

Casino capitalism may be getting a bad rap in the mainstream media, but the values that nourish it are alive and well in the world of Disney.[1] As reported recently in a front-page article in The New York Times, Disney is in the forefront of finding ways to capitalize on the $50 billion dollars spent worldwide by young boys between the ages of 6 and 14.[2] As part of such efforts, Disney has enlisted the help of educators, anthropologists and a former researcher with "a background in the casino industry" to not only study all aspects of the culture and intimate lives of young boys, but to do so in a way that allows Disney to produce "emotional hooks" that lure young boys into the wonderful world of corporate Disney in order to turn them into enthusiastic consumers.[3]

http://truth-out.org/archive/component/ ... -innocence

I think that television is a medium to educate,inform the masses and create and stir up debate, which it does but Western channels in general do not. I would want rigid and socially corrupt channels like Disney out of Indian soil.

What Disney shows is not propaganda, it's entertainment, I could easily say that show of yours you mentioned earlier is eastern propaganda and That "Casino Capitalism" you described is what we call marketing techniques. But if you want to cling to your backwards and xenophobic beliefs that's fine.

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Postby Caribica » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:47 pm

Tigeria wrote:
Caribica wrote:You shouldn't have asked that, oh well, too late now.


I just want to hear the rational and logical reason of burning a popular kids movie

Yeah but this is URSS, you can't expect a logical and rational reason from him.

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Postby Tigeria » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:49 pm

Caribica wrote:
Tigeria wrote:
I just want to hear the rational and logical reason of burning a popular kids movie

Yeah but this is URSS, you can't expect a logical and rational reason from him.


He still has an opinion. No mater how wrong I believe it might be.
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Postby Caribica » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:50 pm

Tigeria wrote:
Caribica wrote:Yeah but this is URSS, you can't expect a logical and rational reason from him.


He still has an opinion. No mater how wrong I believe it might be.

Your funeral.

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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:53 pm

United Russian Soviet States wrote:Planned Parenthood goes beyond basic women's rights. They are a part of a radical feminist agenda. Disney supports them. I would like someone like Joe McCarthy to come a long and expose Disney's leftist agenda. There is proof of my allegations against The Walt Disney Company.

No, they really are not at all.

Ah yes, the lunatic who made baseless accusations and threw them around like confetti. Fittiing you should bring him up really. I am sure you will find no problem providing this proof then yeah?

United Russian Soviet States wrote:If Elsa is the first lesbian princess, the movie deserves to be burned. Not by the government, but by private citizens.

I'm going to invoke one of your favorites, that's exactly what the Nazis did.
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Charlie Chaplin wrote:Nothing is permanent in this wicked world, not even our troubles.
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