God and the World, what do you think? [Does God Exist II]

[Dyakovo]

So he didn't die.

Jesus died, but was resurrected.

So "God" died, and then was resurrected by "God" (who clearly didn't actually die, because if he had, he wouldn't have been able to perform the resurrection) and this proves that "God" really did die...

[Vissegaard]

In undertaking all the suffering of a mere mortal's death in order to bring hope to the people.

And that is a sacrifice when he gets to go to heaven for the rest of eternity and supposedly knew that fact (or did he), how? By the way, if god is supposedly all knowing, then wouldn't he already know about what death is like? Again seems like a purposeless death. Why sacrifice himself to himself instead of just forgiving people for a "crime" they never committed.

Jesus (that human guy) did not know. He was not almighty, nor he was omniscient. He gave up that to fix the estrangement between the Father and his earthly children.

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

That's it, you don't read into anything I'm saying in the last page. God has three different persons, one is in Jesus Christ, another is in God the Father. That's why I added "the Father", to remove confusion.



This image could get handy.

If a = b and b = c, then a = c, and god disappears in a puff of logic.

The law of non-contradiction does not violate the Holy Trinity, because personhood and essence are two different things. Many Christian theologians somehow agree that the word "person" is not sufficient to describe the Holy Trinity, instead the word "essence" is more accurate. It can be argued that God is one in substance or essence but not one in person. For God to be both three and one, He is not three and one in the same way. He is three in a different way than He is one.

I agree that my explanation is very confusing, the Holy Trinity is very confusing.

[Dyakovo]

So again, where was the sacrifice?

That's the sacrifice, get over it, the sacrifice only occurred in a duration of 3 days. It does not have to be melodramatic as a death of a lifetime.

So the "sacrifice" is a complete and utter lack of sacrifice. Got it.

[Mavorpen]

If a = b and b = c, then a = c, and god disappears in a puff of logic.

The law of non-contradiction does not violate the Holy Trinity, because personhood and essence are two different things. Many Christian theologians somehow agree that the word "person" is not sufficient to describe the Holy Trinity, instead the word "essence" is more accurate. It can be argued that God is one in substance or essence but not one in person. For God to be both three and one, He is not three and one in the same way. He is three in a different way than He is one.


I agree that my explanation is very confusing, the Holy Trinity is very confusing.

Yeah, mental gymnastics created to explain nonsense tends to be confusing.

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

And that is a sacrifice when he gets to go to heaven for the rest of eternity and supposedly knew that fact (or did he), how? By the way, if god is supposedly all knowing, then wouldn't he already know about what death is like? Again seems like a purposeless death. Why sacrifice himself to himself instead of just forgiving people for a "crime" they never committed.

God is all-knowing, He already knows what death is like, Jesus's sacrifice was not intended in anyway for Him to experience death. God cannot simply forgive people for their sin, for He is an infinitely holy and righteous God, Man's sins deserve punishment, and if God is to forgive man, it would go against righteousness and His nature. It would not be righteous to forgive man because man does not deserve forgiveness but deserves punishment because of their disobedience from God.

God, being an infinitely holy and righteous God cannot accept even a single ounce of sin from mankind, therefore, Jesus Christ, having both a sinful and divine nature has to make a sacrifice for all mankind to atone and pay all mankind's sins, adding to that he never sinned. So, God accepted His sacrifice as payment for all the sins of man.

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

That's it, you don't read into anything I'm saying in the last page. God has three different persons, one is in Jesus Christ, another is in God the Father. That's why I added "the Father", to remove confusion.



This image could get handy.

If you're part of a sect that buys into that.

Most non-Christians don't know the Holy Trinity is virtually accepted and established in all of Christianity.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Jesus died, but was resurrected.

So "God" died, and then was resurrected by "God" (who clearly didn't actually die, because if he had, he wouldn't have been able to perform the resurrection) and this proves that "God" really did die...

"God" has a resurrection spell pre-cast for three days post-mortem.

If a = b and b = c, then a = c, and god disappears in a puff of logic.

The law of non-contradiction does not violate the Holy Trinity, because personhood and essence are two different things. Many Christian theologians somehow agree that the word "person" is not sufficient to describe the Holy Trinity, instead the word "essence" is more accurate. It can be argued that God is one in substance or essence but not one in person. For God to be both three and one, He is not three and one in the same way. He is three in a different way than He is one.

I agree that my explanation is very confusing, the Holy Trinity is very confusing.

This doesn't disprove Sociobiology's logic.

[Mavorpen]

And that is a sacrifice when he gets to go to heaven for the rest of eternity and supposedly knew that fact (or did he), how? By the way, if god is supposedly all knowing, then wouldn't he already know about what death is like? Again seems like a purposeless death. Why sacrifice himself to himself instead of just forgiving people for a "crime" they never committed.

God is all-knowing, He already knows what death is like, Jesus's sacrifice was not intended in anyway for Him to experience death. God cannot simply forgive people for their sin, for He is an infinitely holy and righteous God and cannot accept even an ounce of sin from Mankind, therefore Jesus both human and divine was required to made a sacrifice to pay for all the sins of mankind.

So God isn't all powerful. Got it

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

God is all-knowing, He already knows what death is like, Jesus's sacrifice was not intended in anyway for Him to experience death. God cannot simply forgive people for their sin, for He is an infinitely holy and righteous God and cannot accept even an ounce of sin from Mankind, therefore Jesus both human and divine was required to made a sacrifice to pay for all the sins of mankind.

So God isn't all powerful. Got it

Omnipotence does not mean you can do things that go against your nature. God, being a righteous and a God of justice cannot simply forgive humans because they deserve punishment. God cannot also lie, because He is always truthful, it goes against His nature, but it does not make Him not omnipotent.

[Vissegaard]

God cannot simply forgive people for their sin, for He is an infinitely holy and righteous God and cannot accept even an ounce of sin from Mankind, therefore Jesus both human and divine was required to made a sacrifice to pay for all the sins of mankind.

And that is, where we Catholics won't ever agree with the Calvinists... Sorry, Nova.
We tend to believe that it was the choice of the men to estrange themselves from their loving Father and that Jesus came to show them the right path once again instead. The sacrifice business is about Jesus freeing them from the fearful reign of death.

[Mavorpen]

So God isn't all powerful. Got it

Omnipotence does not mean you can do things that go against your nature. God, being a righteous and a God of justice cannot simply forgive humans because they deserve punishment. God cannot also lie, because He is always truthful, it goes against His nature, but it does not make Him not omnipotent.

Yes it does.

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

Omnipotence does not mean you can do things that go against your nature. God, being a righteous and a God of justice cannot simply forgive humans because they deserve punishment. God cannot also lie, because He is always truthful, it goes against His nature, but it does not make Him not omnipotent.

Yes it does.

Nope, it does not, the Bible itself tells that God cannot lie, yet you will say God can do things that go against His nature?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Yes it does.

Nope, it does not, the Bible itself tells that God cannot lie, yet you will say God can do things that go against His nature?

God lied.

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

Nope, it does not, the Bible itself tells that God cannot lie, yet you will say God can do things that go against His nature?

God lied.

What a very nice explanation, here, haha.

[Mavorpen]

Yes it does.

Nope, it does not, the Bible itself tells that God cannot lie, yet you will say God can do things that go against His nature?

You've never read Genesis, have you?

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

Nope, it does not, the Bible itself tells that God cannot lie, yet you will say God can do things that go against His nature?

You've never read Genesis, have you?

I've explained Genesis, in this same thread, 2 times already. I'm tired of talking about the same topics again.

Browse the previous pages and you'll see.

[Mavorpen]

You've never read Genesis, have you?

I've explained Genesis, in this same thread, 2 times already. I'm tired of talking about the same topics again.

So that's a no.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

God lied.

What a very nice explanation, here, haha.

It's such an incredibly simple explanation, really. Though he doesn't need to lie either; he seems to be a fan of withholding the truth.

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

What a very nice explanation, here, haha.

It's such an incredibly simple explanation, really. Though he doesn't need to lie either; he seems to be a fan of withholding the truth.

An incredibly simple explanation with no basis.

[Mavorpen]

It's such an incredibly simple explanation, really. Though he doesn't need to lie either; he seems to be a fan of withholding the truth.

An incredibly simple explanation with no basis.

Except for that time he lied to Adam by saying he would die within the day of eating the forbidden fruit.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

It's such an incredibly simple explanation, really. Though he doesn't need to lie either; he seems to be a fan of withholding the truth.

An incredibly simple explanation with no basis.

It has as much basis as an omnipotent being claiming it cannot lie because it's somehow against its "nature".

[Neutraligon]

An incredibly simple explanation with no basis.

Except for that time he lied to Adam by saying he would die within the day of eating the forbidden fruit.

Without explaining what it means to die. How would Adam even understand the concept?

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

An incredibly simple explanation with no basis.

Except for that time he lied to Adam by saying he would die within the day of eating the forbidden fruit.

That's it, I already knew you what you're going to say there. God did not lie to Adam by saying to him that he will surely die when he will eat the forbidden fruit. The death there is spiritual death related to sin, rather than literal physical death.

[Neutraligon]

An incredibly simple explanation with no basis.

It has as much basis as an omnipotent being claiming he cannot lie because it's somehow against its "nature".

Isn't it fun when we change words like that.