God and the World, what do you think? [Does God Exist II]

[The East Asian Post-Apocalyptic Pact]

Are you trolling this thread, the Highlander Enclaves?

[Lockdownn]

Hrm...I wonder who saved most Classical Greek works, were the first to perform cataract surgery, invented the first glider, developed trig, algebra, and geometry, were the first to figure out how the eyes worked, made the first accurate maps, built the first universities, and invented the scientific method? Not Christians, not Atheists, not Chinese. Muslims.

If I recall correctly, Islam was also the first religion to glorify pedophilia and statuatory rape.

It may be the religion that does that, but not EVERYONE glorifies that shit while in their religion.

[The Highlander Enclaves]

If I recall correctly, Islam was also the first religion to glorify pedophilia and statuatory rape.

It may be the religion that does that, but not EVERYONE glorifies that shit while in their religion.

But Allah said I'd you don't do exactly as the Qur'an said then your an apostate...

Are you trolling this thread, the Highlander Enclaves?

No I'm spreading the truth.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Hrm...I wonder who saved most Classical Greek works, were the first to perform cataract surgery, invented the first glider, developed trig, algebra, and geometry, were the first to figure out how the eyes worked, made the first accurate maps, built the first universities, and invented the scientific method? Not Christians, not Atheists, not Chinese. Muslims.

If I recall correctly, Islam was also the first religion to glorify pedophilia and statuatory rape.

Source your bullshit.

[Risottia]

If I recall correctly, Islam was also the first religion to glorify pedophilia and statuatory rape.

You do not recall correctly.
There's a lot of statutory rape and outright rape, quite approved of, in the Old Testament too.
And I doubt the Jews have exactly been the first to glorify acts we nowadays find repulsive and unacceptable - come to think of it, the Theogonia goes quite into the bizarre and non-consensual.
Historically, almost every religion has been used to justify criminal acts. Yeah, Christianity included.

[Lockdownn]

It may be the religion that does that, but not EVERYONE glorifies that shit while in their religion.

But Allah said I'd you don't do exactly as the Qur'an said then your an apostate...

You are your own person. You make the decisions you make, no matter who you are, you have the choice to NOT do it. Some people within Islam choose not to follow a lot of the ancient barbaric practices but that does not make them "non-muslim".

[The Highlander Enclaves]

If I recall correctly, Islam was also the first religion to glorify pedophilia and statuatory rape.

Source your bullshit.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/prepubescent.htm

[Lockdownn]

http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/prepubescent.htm

You do not recall correctly.
There's a lot of statutory rape and outright rape, quite approved of, in the Old Testament too.
And I doubt the Jews have exactly been the first to glorify acts we nowadays find repulsive and unacceptable - come to think of it, the Theogonia goes quite into the bizarre and non-consensual.
Historically, almost every religion has been used to justify criminal acts. Yeah, Christianity included.

[The Highlander Enclaves]

If I recall correctly, Islam was also the first religion to glorify pedophilia and statuatory rape.

You do not recall correctly.
There's a lot of statutory rape and outright rape, quite approved of, in the Old Testament too.
And I doubt the Jews have exactly been the first to glorify acts we nowadays find repulsive and unacceptable - come to think of it, the Theogonia goes quite into the bizarre and non-consensual.
Historically, almost every religion has been used to justify criminal acts. Yeah, Christianity included.

No. Christianity is perfect and has no faults.

[The East Asian Post-Apocalyptic Pact]

http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/prepubescent.htm

Your source does not prove this statement:

If I recall correctly, Islam was also the first religion to glorify pedophilia and statuatory rape.

Are you here just to denounce Islam and derail the thread, right after a very justified post from a Mod?

If so, please leave.

[Risottia]

Source your bullshit.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/prepubescent.htm

Answering-islam.org isn't a valid source, as it declares to be a Christian Evangelical site aimed at converting Muslims to Christianity. Quite biased.

http://www.answering-islam.org/about.html

Who is (behind) "Answering Islam" ?

Many people send us emails asking who we are, what are our qualifications to speak on Islam, what is our statement of faith, etc.

Some say, that they love our site, and would like to recommend it to others, but cannot do so before they know who we are and what exactly we believe.

If you are one who seeks answers to these questions, we would like to ask you: What would you need these answers for? Why is the (usually acknowledged) quality of our material not enough for you?

We have no desire that people believe our arguments just because some respectable names of persons, organizations or churches are attached to the site. Often the question comes from Christians who want to be sure, we are evangelical Christians, before they can trust or recommend us.

We do not want Christians (or anyone else) to believe what we write is correct just because we claim to be evangelical, or because we can tout some academic titles to the names of our authors, but because the arguments are biblical, well documented, and logically sound.

The Bible praises these critical believers:

Now, the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. Acts 17:11

The Bereans believed not because it was Paul, the honored apostle, nor because he could claim the endorsement of the Jerusalem Apostolic Council, but because they examined his arguments themselves to find whether they were scriptural and true.

Let our readers be Bereans. We want that Muslims come to faith because they become convinced of the truth of the Gospel through the soundness of the material we present, and we want our Christian brothers and sisters to develop their convictions about their own faith and about Islam for the same reasons: Because it is true.

The sad thing is, not everything that evangelical Christians write about Islam is true (not even everything they write about the Bible and the Christian faith). We would not doubt their Christian faith, but we cannot agree with their statements about Islam. We cannot recommend their writings just because they are Evangelicals, and—to remain consistent—we do not want others to believe us, just because we wear that label.

The same holds for the question of academic qualifications. Some of our authors are teaching Theology, Religious Studies or even Islamic Studies at Universities. But there are too many professors of Islamic Studies who spread false information about Islam, while some self-taught laymen have a much deeper understanding. Evaluate the quality of our writings for yourself, and do not fall into the fallacy of appeal to authority.

This all said, we are Evangelical Christians and agree without reservations with the statement of faith as given, for example, by the World Evangelical Alliance and the Lausanne Committee for World Evangelization.

May the Lord God bless you and guide you as you seek to know Him and His Truth.

Your Answering Islam team

[Italios]

You do not recall correctly.
There's a lot of statutory rape and outright rape, quite approved of, in the Old Testament too.
And I doubt the Jews have exactly been the first to glorify acts we nowadays find repulsive and unacceptable - come to think of it, the Theogonia goes quite into the bizarre and non-consensual.
Historically, almost every religion has been used to justify criminal acts. Yeah, Christianity included.

No. Christianity is perfect and has no faults.

Be mindful that not everyone is Christian and everyone has their own opinions; they may not be the same as yours.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Source your bullshit.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/prepubescent.htm

From a valid source that doesn't cite non-English sources please. Preferably one that shows it says so in the Qur'an.

[Diopolis]

The too aren't mutually exclusive; you can be smart AND be a Christian.

I'm sick of people like you who insist all Theists are mentally deficient.

How are we mentally deficient? That's the atheists and heathens. Only Christians are intelligent.

Please stop making my religion look bad.

[The East Asian Post-Apocalyptic Pact]

Please stop making my religion look bad.

Exactly what I'm thinking.

[Amuaplye]

God is not real. If God was real, I would have seen him by now.

[Diopolis]

God is not real. If God was real, I would have seen him by now.

Have you looked?

[Lockdownn]

God is not real. If God was real, I would have seen him by now.

This^

[Risottia]

You do not recall correctly.
There's a lot of statutory rape and outright rape, quite approved of, in the Old Testament too.
And I doubt the Jews have exactly been the first to glorify acts we nowadays find repulsive and unacceptable - come to think of it, the Theogonia goes quite into the bizarre and non-consensual.
Historically, almost every religion has been used to justify criminal acts. Yeah, Christianity included.

No. Christianity is perfect and has no faults.

Explain the genocide of the Albigensians. Explain the Concordate between the Papacy and Nazi Germany. Explain the Concordate between the Papacy and Fascist Italy. Explain the witch-hunts. Explain the persecution of the Waldensians. Explain the German wars of religion. Explain the murder of Jan Hus and the crusades against the Hussites. Explain the Borgias. Explain the support for the forced transferral of Africans to the Americas as slaves. Explain the pogroms against the Jews. Explain the massacres committed by the Richard the so-called Lionheart against unarmed civilians. Explain the imprisonment of Galileo. Explain the massacre of the Huguenots. Explain the forced conversion of the pagans in the late Roman Empire. Explain the murder of Hypatia.

Yes, Christianity has been used to justify all of the above.

[Islamic Meritocratic Transoxiana]

Hrm...I wonder who saved most Classical Greek works, were the first to perform cataract surgery, invented the first glider, developed trig, algebra, and geometry, were the first to figure out how the eyes worked, made the first accurate maps, built the first universities, and invented the scientific method? Not Christians, not Atheists, not Chinese. Muslims.

If I recall correctly, Islam was also the first religion to glorify pedophilia and statuatory rape.

You don't. First of all, that title goes to Roman polytheism. Secondly, nearly all real Islamic scholars (Bill O'Reilly isn't one) condemn both things. Finally, both only happen in insane Wahhabi countries like Saudi Arabia, or in ignorant rural communities who know nothing about the true faith. Ignorant rural communities do idiotic stuff in all religions. As I recall, ignorant country Christians used to lynch blacks and now picket soldier's funerals and bomb abortion clinics.

[Lockdownn]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... 2255,d.eXY

Watch.

[The East Asian Post-Apocalyptic Pact]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCgQtwIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D2-d4otHE-YI&ei=1JWMVdTkA8ergwToupnADA&usg=AFQjCNGJ86p-mmj9DwNqjfvvrmcJr6naDA&bvm=bv.96782255,d.eXY

Watch.

so...
What are we supposed to do with this?

[Lockdownn]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCgQtwIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D2-d4otHE-YI&ei=1JWMVdTkA8ergwToupnADA&usg=AFQjCNGJ86p-mmj9DwNqjfvvrmcJr6naDA&bvm=bv.96782255,d.eXY

Watch.

so...
What are we supposed to do with this?

If god were real, he'd care. By the looks of it, suppose he is, he'd be a sadistic being with no remorse or compassion for anything or anyone.

[The East Asian Post-Apocalyptic Pact]

If god were real, he'd care. By the looks of it, suppose he is, he'd be a sadistic being with no remorse or compassion for anything or anyone.

Well, the video didn't prove that He derives pleasure from people suffering. Nor that he has no compassion, since, according to Christianity, he sent a Messiah to die for them. And being without remorse in this case wouldn't be negative, since God supposedly does MOST things correctly. ( He definitely regretted making humans that descended into corruption before the Great Flood.)

If he isn't the Christian God, there would still no proof that he derives pleasure from people suffering. But since there is nothing to show of him showing an act of compassion, one can say that God has no compassion.

[Neutraligon]

If god were real, he'd care. By the looks of it, suppose he is, he'd be a sadistic being with no remorse or compassion for anything or anyone.

Well, the video didn't prove that He derives pleasure from people suffering. Nor that he has no compassion, since, according to Christianity, he sent a Messiah to die for them. And being without remorse in this case wouldn't be negative, since God supposedly does MOST things correctly. ( He definitely regretted making humans that descended into corruption before the Great Flood.)

If he isn't the Christian God, there would still no proof that he derives pleasure from people suffering. But since there is nothing to show of him showing an act of compassion, one can say that God has no compassion.

I still don't see how vicarious redemption through the murder (or death sentence) of another person is supposed to show compassion.