God and the World, what do you think? [Does God Exist II]

[Sun Wukong]

We've got a pretty good idea, and it has evidence to back it up.

Compared to religion, it might as well be 100%

so is the universe what we perceive as humans or could it possibly be more than what we perceive

We know that it is more then what we perceive. Factually.

That doesn't mean you get to insert whatever fairy tale most appeals to you.

[The Foxes Swamp]

as far as i know they don't exist here at the moment but the myth of the unicorn it exists so possibly their was some unicorn type creature at some time in the past.

But would you live your life operating on the assumption that [ninja] unicorns exist based on the mere possibility that they do?

never

[The Foxes Swamp]

so is the universe what we perceive as humans or could it possibly be more than what we perceive

We know that it is more then what we perceive. Factually.

That doesn't mean you get to insert whatever fairy tale most appeals to you.

what fairy tale would that be?

[Sun Wukong]

We know that it is more then what we perceive. Factually.

That doesn't mean you get to insert whatever fairy tale most appeals to you.

what fairy tale would that be?

Your whole "universe is alive, universe is eternal" mumbo jumbo.

[The Foxes Swamp]

what fairy tale would that be?

Your whole "universe is alive, universe is eternal" mumbo jumbo.

thats just an idea i presently have in my head...in all reality i know as much as you...nothing

what is your alternative?

[Godular]

We've got a pretty good idea, and it has evidence to back it up.

Compared to religion, it might as well be 100%

so is the universe what we perceive as humans or could it possibly be more than what we perceive

I read this and started thinking about Wlliam Shatner's rendition of 'Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds'

Reading later post made me do a mental music video mashup with 'The Ballad of Bilbo Baggins'

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

what is your alternative?

It is a fallacy that someone must present an alternative hypothesis when discounting your hypothesis.

Your hypothesis needs to stand on its own.

[The Foxes Swamp]

what is your alternative?

It is a fallacy that someone must present an alternative hypothesis when discounting your hypothesis.

Your hypothesis needs to stand on its own.

what is the universe?

[Sun Wukong]

Your whole "universe is alive, universe is eternal" mumbo jumbo.

thats just an idea i presently have in my head...in all reality i know as much as you...nothing

I'm quite certain that the "nothing" I know is more voluminous then the "nothing" you know.

what is your alternative?

That the universe is 13.798±0.037 billion years old, and will die of heat death. As indicated by all the best evidence available.

Evidence, as opposed to, you know, "just an idea i have in my head."

[Sun Wukong]

It is a fallacy that someone must present an alternative hypothesis when discounting your hypothesis.

Your hypothesis needs to stand on its own.

what is the universe?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe

There you go.

[The Foxes Swamp]

so is the universe what we perceive as humans or could it possibly be more than what we perceive

Define perceive.

is the universe what we think it is

[Godular]

what is the universe?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe

There you go.

I have the distinct impression he is going to literally argue semantics.

[Sun Wukong]

Define perceive.

is the universe what we think it is

By definition the universe is the totality of existence.

You are asking if the totality of existence is the totality of existence.

[The Foxes Swamp]

thats just an idea i presently have in my head...in all reality i know as much as you...nothing

I'm quite certain that the "nothing" I know is more voluminous then the "nothing" you know.

what is your alternative?

That the universe is 13.798±0.037 billion years old, and will die of heat death. As indicated by all the best evidence available.

Evidence, as opposed to, you know, "just an idea i have in my head."

thats a theory isnt it?

[Sun Wukong]

I'm quite certain that the "nothing" I know is more voluminous then the "nothing" you know.


That the universe is 13.798±0.037 billion years old, and will die of heat death. As indicated by all the best evidence available.

Evidence, as opposed to, you know, "just an idea i have in my head."

thats a theory isnt it?

Add scientific terminology to the list of subjects about which you know nothing.

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

thats a theory isnt it?

Not a scientific theory.

In science, the term "theory" refers to "a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment."[14][15] Theories must also meet further requirements, such as the ability to make falsifiable predictions with consistent accuracy across a broad area of scientific inquiry, and production of strong evidence in favor of the theory from multiple independent sources.

The strength of a scientific theory is related to the diversity of phenomena it can explain, which is measured by its ability to make falsifiable predictions with respect to those phenomena. Theories are improved (or replaced by better theories) as more evidence is gathered, so that accuracy in prediction improves over time; this increased accuracy corresponds to an increase in scientific knowledge. Scientists use theories as a foundation to gain further scientific knowledge, as well as to accomplish goals such as inventing technology or curing disease.

[The Foxes Swamp]

thats a theory isnt it?

Add scientific terminology to the list of subjects about which you know nothing.

so not 50 billion years not 15 billion years its 13.798±0.037 billion years old and proof of this is where again?

[The Foxes Swamp]

thats a theory isnt it?

Not a scientific theory.

In science, the term "theory" refers to "a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment."[14][15] Theories must also meet further requirements, such as the ability to make falsifiable predictions with consistent accuracy across a broad area of scientific inquiry, and production of strong evidence in favor of the theory from multiple independent sources.

The strength of a scientific theory is related to the diversity of phenomena it can explain, which is measured by its ability to make falsifiable predictions with respect to those phenomena. Theories are improved (or replaced by better theories) as more evidence is gathered, so that accuracy in prediction improves over time; this increased accuracy corresponds to an increase in scientific knowledge. Scientists use theories as a foundation to gain further scientific knowledge, as well as to accomplish goals such as inventing technology or curing disease.

theory is not proof if one experiment disproves it

[Godular]

Not a scientific theory.

theory is not proof if one experiment disproves it

Then disprove it.

Your proof must be independently verifiable and still take the facts and data previously recorded into account.

Good luck.

Also: The Hubble Constant

[The Foxes Swamp]

theory is not proof if one experiment disproves it

Then disprove it.

Your proof must be independently verifiable and still take the facts and data previously recorded into account.

Good luck.

Also: The Hubble Constant

its not that important to me, im just a humble poster trying to share my alternative views in a subject called what do i think about god and the world.

[Godular]

Then disprove it.

Your proof must be independently verifiable and still take the facts and data previously recorded into account.

Good luck.

Also: The Hubble Constant

its not that important to me, im just a humble poster trying to share my alternative views in a subject called what do i think about god and the world.

Debate forum. Be prepared to defend.

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

so not 50 billion years not 15 billion years its 13.798±0.037 billion years old and proof of this is where again?

Astronomers use the distance to galaxies and the speed of light to calculate that the light has been traveling for billions of years. The expansion of the universe gives an age for the universe as a whole: 13.7 billion years old.

[Sociobiology]

Then disprove it.

Your proof must be independently verifiable and still take the facts and data previously recorded into account.

Good luck.

Also: The Hubble Constant

its not that important to me, im just a humble poster trying to share my alternative views in a subject called what do i think about god and the world.

we don't accept whatever random shit pops into our head, we follow the scientific method because it reliably produces accurate results as opposed to guessing. there is literally an infinite number of possibilities, but they are not equally probable.

Theists need evidence because theists are the one making the claim, the are positing something, which by its very nature, is less likely (because it adds variables). Thus they must provide evidence for this claim or we default back to treating it as less likely, this is called the burden off proof.

this is the rule everything in science has had to pass, trying to do an end run around it is special pleading.

also one good experiment can disprove anything in science, which is why science keeps getting more accurate, we accept nothing as certain.

[The Foxes Swamp]

its not that important to me, im just a humble poster trying to share my alternative views in a subject called what do i think about god and the world.

Debate forum. Be prepared to defend.

i must be in the wrong place i swear i was heading for general discussion

[Sun Wukong]

What the China said.