Utah state legislators approve firing squads

[New Werpland]

Is it really so evil to give someone an punishment that equals in extremity the crime they know they have committed?

Well, yeah. That's not what criminal law is about. Criminal law is not about petty vengeance, it's about correction and prevention. Correction is pretty hard when someone's dead.

Criminal law is not about Justice. How enlightening.....

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Well, yeah. That's not what criminal law is about. Criminal law is not about petty vengeance, it's about correction and prevention. Correction is pretty hard when someone's dead.

Criminal law is not about Justice. How enlightening.....

What? Criminal law is about justice. Justice in the form of correction and prevention. Vengeance is not justice. The basis of any criminal law code is prevention, and that is justice. People like to see revenge, but that is not what criminal law is about. If your idea of justice is to see someone suffer, than you have a very skewed idea of justice.

[Imperializt Russia]

How is that your point?

See Ifreann's post challenging my claim that liberals have made obtaining the death penalty more difficult in an attempt to stop it from happening as much.

Iffy was being sarcastic, since there's no actual tangible benefit in the death penalty becoming "easier" to obtain.

[Confederate Ramenia]

wouldn't a single pistol shot to the head be more effective than a whole squad shooting them in the chest?

and what about guillotine? it's recyclable and thus should be cheaper

The firing squad is so all the soldiers can say "I didnt kill him, it was somebody else."

[The Nuclear Fist]

Considering that they still have to give those on death row their appeals, I can't imagine this will save them much money.

But it's not about money to them, it's about bloodlust and revenge.

[Dienstad African National Congress]

There's no need for capital punishment.

It's expensive and barbarian.

It's not barbarian, but I do disapprove of it simply because I hate the idea of killing an innocent person. I'd rather a million guilty men go free than one innocent man, wrongly convicted, die 'mistakenly'.

[United Marxist Nations]

Considering that they still have to give those on death row their appeals, I can't imagine this will save them much money.

But it's not about money to them, it's about bloodlust and revenge.

It's not meant to save money; it's as a stop-gap measure if proper drugs are not available, and can only be used if the inmate requests it. It was likely done due to a few stories in the last few years of lethal injection drugs being in shortage and the resulting "substitutes" being inadequate.

[Salandriagado]

Which is no justification for executing people, only cause to improve your shitty prisons.

Why should we improve the prisons? We are not sending them to get a vacation.

No, you're sending them to convert them to law abiding citizens. There is one method of doing this that has been shown to work far more often than others, and it's not the current state of the US prison system.

[The Nuclear Fist]

wouldn't a single pistol shot to the head be more effective than a whole squad shooting them in the chest?

and what about guillotine? it's recyclable and thus should be cheaper

Why not just tie them to a stake, bloody them, and let nature pick them clean? If we're gonna give in to our primitive bloodlust, let's not go halfway.

[United Marxist Nations]

There's no need for capital punishment.

It's expensive and barbarian.

It's not barbarian, but I do disapprove of it simply because I hate the idea of killing an innocent person. I'd rather a million guilty men go free than one innocent man, wrongly convicted, die 'mistakenly'.

This is, generally, my thinking on the matter.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Considering that they still have to give those on death row their appeals, I can't imagine this will save them much money.

But it's not about money to them, it's about bloodlust and revenge.

It's not meant to save money; it's as a stop-gap measure if proper drugs are not available, and can only be used if the inmate requests it. It was likely done due to a few stories in the last few years of lethal injection drugs being in shortage and the resulting "substitutes" being inadequate.

That's what I said, it's not about money. It's about wanting to spill blood.

[United Marxist Nations]

It's not meant to save money; it's as a stop-gap measure if proper drugs are not available, and can only be used if the inmate requests it. It was likely done due to a few stories in the last few years of lethal injection drugs being in shortage and the resulting "substitutes" being inadequate.

That's what I said, it's not about money. It's about wanting to spill blood.

No, it's about giving inmates on death row the option of being put to death by another means if there is a shortage of drugs.

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Guillotine or a shot to the back of the head would be the most instant and humane. But they just don't have the sanitized, feel good image of lethal injection which actually causes quite a bit of suffering.

Actually, I think if we had to retain the death penalty at all, morphine overdose would be the way to go. Person's gonna die anyway, let's not be so vindictive and give them the high of their life.

[The Nuclear Fist]

That's what I said, it's not about money. It's about wanting to spill blood.

No, it's about giving inmates on death row the option of being put to death by another means if there is a shortage of drugs.

Which doesn't actually disprove anything I said. 10/10 GG pal

[Fresley]

I would bet money that this method of execution will never be used. The appeals process combined with widespread opposition to the death penalty, I doubt there will be a firing squad used. Neat story, but meaningless.

Also, inmates on Death row are in the same boat as those serving life, neither of them are ever (barring new evidence or appeal) leaving prison alive.

[United Marxist Nations]

No, it's about giving inmates on death row the option of being put to death by another means if there is a shortage of drugs.

Which doesn't actually disprove anything I said. 10/10 GG pal

Since you never proved it (i.e. that the re-institution of the firing squad is done out of bloodlust) in the first place, I don't really have to.

[Dienstad African National Congress]

Why should we improve the prisons? We are not sending them to get a vacation.

No, you're sending them to convert them to law abiding citizens. There is one method of doing this that has been shown to work far more often than others, and it's not the current state of the US prison system.

Eh, US prisons are better than any in the world, without any doubt in my mind whatsoever. Yes, we have many inmates because of a significant amount of criminal activity, but they're quite well treated and would be pleasant if not for the presence of gangs and well, criminals!

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

No, you're sending them to convert them to law abiding citizens. There is one method of doing this that has been shown to work far more often than others, and it's not the current state of the US prison system.

Eh, US prisons are better than any in the world, without any doubt in my mind whatsoever. Yes, we have many inmates because of a significant amount of criminal activity, but they're quite well treated and would be pleasant if not for the presence of gangs and well, criminals!

Wut? You don't actually believe that, do you? That's sarcasm, right? Right?

[Fartsniffage]

No, you're sending them to convert them to law abiding citizens. There is one method of doing this that has been shown to work far more often than others, and it's not the current state of the US prison system.

Eh, US prisons are better than any in the world, without any doubt in my mind whatsoever. Yes, we have many inmates because of a significant amount of criminal activity, but they're quite well treated and would be pleasant if not for the presence of gangs and well, criminals!

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[Fresley]

Why do we send people to prison in the first place, to separate them from society, so they can't perform their particular criminal activity within that society.

Do prisons in the US need to be reformed? Absolutely, does anyone have some ideas on how they should be changed?

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No, you're sending them to convert them to law abiding citizens. There is one method of doing this that has been shown to work far more often than others, and it's not the current state of the US prison system.

Eh, US prisons are better than any in the world, without any doubt in my mind whatsoever. Yes, we have many inmates because of a significant amount of criminal activity, but they're quite well treated and would be pleasant if not for the presence of gangs and well, criminals!

The list of countries with more humane prisons than the US probably stretches past the 50's if not into the 100's.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Why do we send people to prison in the first place, to separate them from society, so they can't perform their particular criminal activity within that society.

Do prisons in the US need to be reformed? Absolutely, does anyone have some ideas on how they should be changed?

Take more lessons from European systems. Don't treat them like monsters. Those two really need to be fixed.

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Absolutely, does anyone have some ideas on how they should be changed?

Burn them down and throw the 1% in the ashen ruins.

[Fresley]

Take more lessons from European systems. Don't treat them like monsters. Those two really need to be fixed.

Could you give me some examples on what European prisons do that could improve US prisons. I don't know what they do differently so I'm sincerely asking here.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Take more lessons from European systems. Don't treat them like monsters. Those two really need to be fixed.

Could you give me some examples on what European prisons do that could improve US prisons. I don't know what they do differently so I'm sincerely asking here.

Well, in Europe, prisoners are treated with a kind of respect. Not more so than ordinary citizens, but in their own way. Special programs help these people to find their way during their time behind bars. Help from psychiatrists, business professionals, all meant to make sure these people have a future to return to after they spent time in prison. Youths get their education in prison, so the don't fall behind. All in all, their drain on society is lessened. In the US... Well, some cattle has more rights than prisoners in the US. The states are making it obviously clear that these people are monsters, unwanted by society, worthy of damnation.