Let the Torture Prosecutions Begin?

[Non Aligned States]

Do these people think the whole world is dumb?

The whole world? No. Just a big enough chunk that they'd get away with it anyhow.

[Daistallia 2104]

The US has treated waterboarding as torture when it's been used on our soldiers, so I don't see the slippery slope.

Perhaps more to the point, the US military has used it to try to train people 'how to resist torture' - and it was THAT training that our 'enhanced interrogation' program was BASED ON.

Indeed. And even more to the point, the SERE techniques were based on techniques designed to explicity produce false confessions.

[Muravyets]

Do these people think the whole world is dumb?

The whole world? No. Just a big enough chunk that they'd get away with it anyhow.

I disagree. I think what lets them get away with it is that a big enough chunk of the world are bone-ass lazy. Hence my remark in my earlier post about how the only thing we lack just happens to be the most important thing in the whole issue -- the will to enforce the law.

Like crime, I think more lazy-ass Americans would be motivated to do something about torturers if they thought they might become the victims of it themselves. Lazy, selfish, short-sighted jackasses.

[Daistallia 2104]

I think it's really awesome that the torturers might finally have their day in court while the tortured still wait for theirs.

Maybe we can put the torturers in Gitmo and make them wait their turn.

Excellent suggestion.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Don't forget sensory deprivation. That's good stuff.

Perhaps, but it's unreliable. We had a batch of LG-lites with the last experiment. We need less of you, not more, even if they were cheap knockoffs.

They were weak. The fact that you caught them is testament to that.

[Iron Chariots]

Do these people think the whole world is dumb?

The whole world? No. Just a big enough chunk that they'd get away with it anyhow.

"That's not enough, I need a majority!"
- Adlai Stevenson, when told he had the support of every thinking American.

[Daistallia 2104]

To clarify my post, I was always under the impression that during the Bush era, the US did not classify waterboarding as torture, thus exploiting a loophole in the international treaty. I do not have any sources for this, it was simply the impression I had received. If I am wrong, feel free to correct me.

It was an attempted end run in the Nixonian "Well, when the President does it that means that it is not illegal." vein. Simply having one's legal team write up a memo doesn't make it so.

[Non Aligned States]

I disagree. I think what lets them get away with it is that a big enough chunk of the world are bone-ass lazy. Hence my remark in my earlier post about how the only thing we lack just happens to be the most important thing in the whole issue -- the will to enforce the law.

How do you differentiate between bone-ass lazy and those who think it's a good thing so they don't do anything about it anyway?

They were weak. The fact that you caught them is testament to that.

Oh no, they weren't knockoffs of you before the experiment. That's after. And as for weak, well, even weakness has its utility when it comes to... vaccinations.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

I disagree. I think what lets them get away with it is that a big enough chunk of the world are bone-ass lazy. Hence my remark in my earlier post about how the only thing we lack just happens to be the most important thing in the whole issue -- the will to enforce the law.

How do you differentiate between bone-ass lazy and those who think it's a good thing so they don't do anything about it anyway?

They were weak. The fact that you caught them is testament to that.

Oh no, they weren't knockoffs of you before the experiment. That's after. And as for weak, well, even weakness has its utility when it comes to... vaccinations.

Or decoys.

[Non Aligned States]

Or decoys.

Yes... decoys. That's what they are. Decoys. Nothing at all to do with finding the anti-LG serum. Oh no no no.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Or decoys.

Yes... decoys. That's what they are. Decoys. Nothing at all to do with finding the anti-LG serum. Oh no no no.

There is no cure for what I got.

[Non Aligned States]

There is no cure for what I got.

Your significant other claims otherwise with her rather generous application of 200,000 volts in your relationship every now and again. Though she has first claim on any serum produced.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

There is no cure for what I got.

Your significant other claims otherwise with her rather generous application of 200,000 volts in your relationship every now and again. Though she has first claim on any serum produced.

Ah, who are we kidding? She wouldn't risk losing the dirty dirty sex.

[Non Aligned States]

Ah, who are we kidding? She wouldn't risk losing the dirty dirty sex.

We promised temporary effect variants for her. She'd like it if just once, you attended a formal function clothed in sober tones of polyester and cotton rather than mud. What she usually gets, but without the twitches, muscle spasms and pants wetting electro-therapy induces.

[The Tofu Islands]

Enemy combatants are people who are caught fighting...

That seems to be false.

I'm see you're into calling everyone in the military a liar, just for your own stupid ends...

Where did I do that? I just said that someone declared an "enemy combatant" wasn't necessarily guilty.

[Daistallia 2104]

It's real simple.

You have no idea what TORTURE is.

Incorrect.

You are simply ignoring the abuse and murder of prisoners classified as protected persons under the Geneva Protocols, which (according to the consttitution) is the law of the land.

A few examples:

* A 27-year-old Iraqi male died while being interrogated by Navy Seals on April 5, 2004, in Mosul, Iraq. During his confinement he was hooded, flex-cuffed, sleep deprived and subjected to hot and cold environmental conditions, including the use of cold water on his body and hood. The exact cause of death was ""undetermined"" although the autopsy stated that hypothermia may have contributed to his death. Notes say he ""struggled/ interrogated/ died sleeping."" Some facts relating to this case have been previously reported. (In April 2003, Secretary Rumsfeld authorized the use of ""environmental manipulation"" as an interrogation technique in Guantánamo Bay. In September 2003, Lt. Gen. Sanchez also authorized this technique for use in Iraq. Although Lt. Gen. Sanchez later rescinded the September 2003 techniques, he authorized ""changes in environmental quality"" in October 2003.)
* An Iraqi detainee (also described as a white male) died on January 9, 2004, in Al Asad, Iraq, while being interrogated by ""OGA."" He was standing, shackled to the top of a door frame with a gag in his mouth at the time he died. The cause of death was asphyxia and blunt force injuries. Notes summarizing the autopsies record the circumstances of death as ""Q by OGA, gagged in standing restraint."" (Facts in the autopsy report appear to match the previously reported case of Abdul Jaleel.)
* A detainee was smothered to death during an interrogation by Military Intelligence on November 26, 2003, in Al Qaim, Iraq. A previously released autopsy report, that appears to be of General Mowhoush, lists ""asphyxia due to smothering and chest compression"" as the cause of death and cites bruises from the impact with a blunt object. New documents specifically record the circumstances of death as ""Q by MI, died during interrogation.""
* A detainee at Abu Ghraib Prison, captured by Navy Seal Team number seven, died on November 4, 2003, during an interrogation by Navy Seals and ""OGA."" A previously released autopsy report, that appears to be of Manadel Al Jamadi, shows that the cause of his death was ""blunt force injury complicated by compromised respiration."" New documents specifically record the circumstances of death as ""Q by OGA and NSWT died during interrogation.""
* An Afghan civilian died from ""multiple blunt force injuries to head, torso and extremities"" on November 6, 2003, at a Forward Operating Base in Helmand Province, Afghanistan. (Facts in the autopsy report appear to match the previously reported case of Abdul Wahid.)
* A 52-year-old male Iraqi was strangled to death at the Whitehorse detainment facility on June 6, 2003, in Nasiriyah, Iraq. His autopsy also revealed bone and rib fractures, and multiple bruises on his body. (Facts in the autopsy report appear to match the previously reported case of Nagm Sadoon Hatab.)

http://www.aclu.org/intlhumanrights/gen ... 51024.html

[Fson]

Enemy combatants are people who are caught fighting...

That seems to be false.

I'm see you're into calling everyone in the military a liar, just for your own stupid ends...

Where did I do that? I just said that someone declared an "enemy combatant" wasn't necessarily guilty.

id love to kill those bastards now after reading that!

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Ah, who are we kidding? She wouldn't risk losing the dirty dirty sex.

We promised temporary effect variants for her. She'd like it if just once, you attended a formal function clothed in sober tones of polyester and cotton rather than mud. What she usually gets, but without the twitches, muscle spasms and pants wetting electro-therapy induces.

Where's the fun in that?

[JuNii]

Don't forget sensory deprivation. That's good stuff.

well... would that work for people who've, obviously, taken permement leave of their senses?

[Trve]

Enhanced Interrogation Techniques are not torture.

See, all this time I was taught we executed Japanese officers for war crimes because of torture, when in reality I guess we just executed them for 'Enhanced Interrogation Techniques'.


Please share.

[Khithali]

Ah, I wasn't aware the US government had previously executed enemy combattants for waterboarding under the heading of torture. This definately changes things. Seeing as they never, as far as I am aware and I could be wrong, officially changed the definition of torture then they would be guilty of torture, as defined by precedent. Seeing as it would now be possible to convict them on legal rather than moral grounds, I am all for it!

[Voltairian Prospects]

The were enemy combatants. Thus, they are sources of intel.

Being sources of intel doesn't mean the US can ignore the law whenever it pleases.

Yes it does.
American Lives > Foreign Lives

I am curious as to what kind of CRAP you intend on spoon feeding your children... If by some freak chance you find/found someone to love you with that attitude.
More concerning, How many times did your parents have to hit you in the head to get you to think that way?
FYI... Your ancestors are more than likely not from America, as it hasn't been around that long.
My suggestion to you is to quit having such a biased opinion and appreciate the lives of others... or... you could go to therepy...

[Parthenon]

I am curious as to what kind of CRAP you intend on spoon feeding your children... If by some freak chance you find/found someone to love you with that attitude.
More concerning, How many times did your parents have to hit you in the head to get you to think that way?
FYI... Your ancestors are more than likely not from America, as it hasn't been around that long.
My suggestion to you is to quit having such a biased opinion and appreciate the lives of others... or... you could go to therepy...

Because I value the lives of my fellow countrymen over those that would want to kill us I must have been beaten as a child? Is that really how the mind of a liberal operates now, claiming child abuse for opposing viewpoints?

[sadistic moment]
I would happily TORTURE a known terrorist if it could generate intelligence that would save american lives. Note the word torture, none of this water boarding nonsense. Something I devised a while back would be chaining a terrorist to a treadmill made out of sandpaper, increasing the speed every second they refuse to talk. It wouldn't be a very pretty site if someone refuses...
[/sadistic moment]

[Trve]

I am curious as to what kind of CRAP you intend on spoon feeding your children... If by some freak chance you find/found someone to love you with that attitude.
More concerning, How many times did your parents have to hit you in the head to get you to think that way?
FYI... Your ancestors are more than likely not from America, as it hasn't been around that long.
My suggestion to you is to quit having such a biased opinion and appreciate the lives of others... or... you could go to therepy...

Because I value the lives of my fellow countrymen over those that would want to kill us I must have been beaten as a child? Is that really how the mind of a liberal operates now, claiming child abuse for opposing viewpoints?

[sadistic moment]
I would happily TORTURE a known terrorist if it could generate intelligence that would save american lives. Note the word torture, none of this water boarding nonsense. Something I devised a while back would be a terrorist to a treadmill made out of sandpaper, increase the speed every second they refuse to talk. It wouldn't be a very pretty site if someone refuses...
[/sadistic moment]

I think whats more disturbing then your skewed world view and lack of facts is the fact that you spent time thinking about 'fun' ways to commit warcrimes.

[Chumblywumbly]

I think whats more disturbing...

Do not feed.