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Who do you support in this?

The mother, in keeping 4yr old son from being circumcised.
10
9%
The father, in wanting his 4yr old son circumcised.
4
4%
The judge, in intending to enforce the circumcision of same child.
8
7%
The right of the child to decide for himself when old enough.
23
21%
Banning circumcision entirely.
6
5%
Allowing parents to choose for children.
11
10%
Allowing circumcision, but only for religious reasons.
11
10%
Allowing with consent of person being circumcised only.
37
34%
 
Total votes : 110

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Postby Devvo Mate » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:30 pm

The amount of people in this thread who are trying to justify the fact their parents had them mutilated is worrying.

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Postby Saiwania » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:32 pm

Fremskrittspartiet wrote:I am also a bit confused as to why it is so big in USA as it is....


It is a Victorian era holdover from Dr. John Harvey Kellogg, inventor of Corn Flakes and a huge proponent of it. Circumcision became big in the US as a means of preventing masturbation. That obviously didn't work, but the procedure became routine and only declined in later decades as more parents and immigrant groups opt out of it.
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Postby Arcanda » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:33 pm

DaAngou14 wrote:
Scomagia wrote:The benefits include a reduction in the risk of contracting HIV, HPV, and certain penile cancers.

Doesn't apply to me, I'm not promiscuous. Even with so-called benefits, it's no longer recommended by the medical establishment.

It is, the Mayo Clinic recommends it.You don't need to be promiscuous to get STDs, that's a prejudice.

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Postby Pope Joan » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:33 pm

This has only enforced my opposition to parental abductions.

The kidnapper will always find some plausible reason. They are still a criminal.

Go back home and let the original jurisdiction decide the issues.

Stop making the kid a pawn in your relationship games.
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Postby DaAngou14 » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:34 pm

Devvo Mate wrote:The amount of people in this thread who are trying to justify the fact their parents had them mutilated is worrying.

It's called compartmentalization.

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Postby Arcanda » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:35 pm

Devvo Mate wrote:The amount of people in this thread who are trying to justify the fact their parents had them mutilated is worrying.

We let some parents pierce the ears of their daughters when they're young, without their consent.Why would it be different for males? You just need to make sure the clinic is operating within the medical standards.Circumcision is the same for everyone as far as I'm aware.If man A is physically fine after it, men B to Z will be fine too.

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Postby Devvo Mate » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:37 pm

Arcanda wrote:We let some parents pierce the ears of their daughters when they're young, without their consent.Why would it be different for males? You just need to make sure the clinic is operating within the medical standards.Circumcision is the same for everyone as far as I'm aware.If man A is physically fine after it, men B to Z will be fine too.


Ear piercing and genital mutiliation are not comparable. Why don't we let people cut the earlobes off children? Don't need them to hear and makes it easier to wash behind your ears.

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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:37 pm

Devvo Mate wrote:The amount of people in this thread who are trying to justify the fact their parents had them mutilated is worrying.

For some of us, circumcision is a religious and cultural thing. It is not genital mutilation.
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Postby Devvo Mate » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:38 pm

Thermodolia wrote:For some of us, circumcision is a religious and cultural thing. It is not genital mutilation.


Female genital mutiliation is commonplace in some cultures. It is still mutilation.

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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:38 pm

Pope Joan wrote:This has only enforced my opposition to parental abductions.

The kidnapper will always find some plausible reason. They are still a criminal.

Go back home and let the original jurisdiction decide the issues.

Stop making the kid a pawn in your relationship games.

^ this
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Postby DaAngou14 » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:38 pm

Arcanda wrote:You don't need to be promiscuous to get STDs, that's a prejudice.

My choice.

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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:39 pm

Arcanda wrote:
DaAngou14 wrote:Doesn't apply to me, I'm not promiscuous. Even with so-called benefits, it's no longer recommended by the medical establishment.

It is, the Mayo Clinic recommends it.

The NHS says alternatives are usually preferred and only funds it for a ''small number of medical conditions''.
http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Circumcisi ... ction.aspx

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Postby DaAngou14 » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:39 pm

Thermodolia wrote:For some of us, circumcision is a religious and cultural thing.

Not an excuse.
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Postby Valkalan » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:40 pm

Occupied Deutschland wrote:Or an opposing pediatrician for the mother who disputes that diagnosis?
Or do you base it off of an ass-pull that just happens to conform to your desired precepts?
Because that last one is looking like the answer at the moment.

Phimosis is simply the lingering of the foreskin over the glans. This condition often does not require medical intervention, let alone circumcision. In fact, circumcision is often reserved as a last resort for only the most difficult cases. The condition usually fades upon the onset of puberty.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:41 pm

Devvo Mate wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:For some of us, circumcision is a religious and cultural thing. It is not genital mutilation.


Female genital mutiliation is commonplace in some cultures. It is still mutilation.

:palm: Yes it is, but after someone undergoes female genital mutilation they are unable to ever use there genitals ever again. Not so with circumcision. I am still able to use my dick.
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Postby Saiwania » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:42 pm

Arcanda wrote:Circumcision is the same for everyone as far as I'm aware.If man A is physically fine after it, men B to Z will be fine too.


That isn't really true, different people will generally have different outcomes for various procedures. They may have a good result, or it might be disastrous if something goes wrong. You won't really know until afterwards.
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Postby Devvo Mate » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:42 pm

Thermodolia wrote: :palm: Yes it is, but after someone undergoes female genital mutilation they are unable to ever use there genitals ever again. Not so with circumcision. I am still able to use my dick.


You've still been mutilated under the pretence of a daft cultural or religious tradition

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Postby Galloism » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:42 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Galloism wrote:Oh don't get me wrong, I'm against circumcision as an elective procedure. I am no longer convinced the benefits outweigh the risks.

But you don't tell a small child his daddy wants to cut off his penis.

The risks are negligible. The benefits include a reduction in the risk of contracting HIV, HPV, and certain penile cancers.

Of course, a condom works just as well at everything except penile cancer.

And penile cancer is nearly as rare as a unicorn anyway.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:44 pm

DaAngou14 wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:For some of us, circumcision is a religious and cultural thing.

Not an excuse.

Yes it is. Are you saying we should ban certain religious practices because they don't fall in line with your scientific beliefs? Because that is what my circumcision was. A RELIGIOUS practice.
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Postby Devvo Mate » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:45 pm

Thermodolia wrote:Yes it is. Are you saying we should ban certain religious practices because they don't fall in line with your scientific beliefs? Because that is what my circumcision was. A RELIGIOUS practice.


If a religion says you should have your nose cut off, is that OK? Are you a bigot if you want that banned?

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Postby Hanchu » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:45 pm

Arcanda wrote:
Devvo Mate wrote:The amount of people in this thread who are trying to justify the fact their parents had them mutilated is worrying.

We let some parents pierce the ears of their daughters when they're young, without their consent.Why would it be different for males? You just need to make sure the clinic is operating within the medical standards.Circumcision is the same for everyone as far as I'm aware.If man A is physically fine after it, men B to Z will be fine too.

Man A is one person, if hes fine after it all you know is that's hes fine after it , it's only after you try it out on several thousand men that you can tell whether or not person A was just lucky

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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:45 pm

Devvo Mate wrote:
Thermodolia wrote: :palm: Yes it is, but after someone undergoes female genital mutilation they are unable to ever use there genitals ever again. Not so with circumcision. I am still able to use my dick.


You've still been mutilated under the pretence of a daft cultural or religious tradition

No I haven't. And you are being very racist and prejudiced.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:46 pm

Devvo Mate wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Yes it is. Are you saying we should ban certain religious practices because they don't fall in line with your scientific beliefs? Because that is what my circumcision was. A RELIGIOUS practice.


If a religion says you should have your nose cut off, is that OK? Are you a bigot if you want that banned?

Yes. Because its entirely up to you to join that religion.
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Postby DaAngou14 » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:47 pm

Thermodolia wrote:Yes it is. Are you saying we should ban certain religious practices because they don't fall in line with your scientific beliefs? Because that is what my circumcision was. A RELIGIOUS practice.

No, I am saying that we should ban certain practices because they are assault. Your religion is pathologically influenced. Do a bit more soul-searching.

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Postby Hanchu » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:47 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Devvo Mate wrote:
If a religion says you should have your nose cut off, is that OK? Are you a bigot if you want that banned?

Yes. Because its entirely up to you to join that religion.

Unless you were raised with it ,in which case it isn't your choice

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