AMERICA: A Christian Nation?

[The Sapiens]

Most of those were isolated incidents and the Klu Klux Klan was more racially-motivated. Yes, they don't like Catholics and Jews but they are nowhere near an Islamic Jihadist.

I find it amusing that you describe 2000 years filled with oppression, genocide and other general unpleasantness as "isolated incidents".

If history has taught us anything, it is that christianity tends to promote "un-niceness" in people.

THANK YOU!

[The Sapiens]

How can you be free if you deny people freedom?

Well non-Christians don't get no freedom. Why? Because if you ain't Christian, you ain't welcome in America. America for Christians. Freedom for Christians. In a godless world, America must be the last hope for Christians worldwide.

You are too stupid to even insult.

[Madiganistan]

Sure. I will happily admit I don't know as much about Intra-Islamic relations as I should in order to have a proper debate. Funny thing is, I never intended on having a debate on it, and we've gone off a pointless tangent.

Not really pointless. You suggested that a America can't be described as a "Christian nation" because Christianity is made up of several often competing denominations. I suggested Iraq and its varying and often competing Islamic denominations as a foil example of a nation that no one would reject as being a "Muslim nation." Given this foil, I asked for something that makes America not a "Christian nation" but does make Iraq a "Muslim nation." Unless I glossed over it, I haven't really seen an answer.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the descriptor modern kinda disregard the previous cultural identities of the same region. Now this isn't to say that the narrative isn't important, it's just not nearly as important as the modern setting.

Our modern cultural identity, both as individuals and for the groups with which we identify, is a product of our past. If you doubt this, talk to a black person.

The melting pot mixing in different vegetables doesn't make the melting pot a vegetable, does it?

Of course not, but it's worth noting that's not what I suggested.
If vegetable is to melting pot is to a delicious gumbo, then the cornucopia of Christian denominations are to America is to "a Christian nation."

[Othelos]

Well non-Christians don't get no freedom. Why? Because if you ain't Christian, you ain't welcome in America. America for Christians. Freedom for Christians. In a godless world, America must be the last hope for Christians worldwide.

You are too stupid to even insult.

Well, you just did. Kind of ironic.

How can you be free if you deny people freedom?

Well non-Christians don't get no freedom. Why? Because if you ain't Christian, you ain't welcome in America. America for Christians. Freedom for Christians. In a godless world, America must be the last hope for Christians worldwide.

The government is secular for a reason. Our country isn't set up to be an idiotic theocracy.

[Neutraligon]

You are too stupid to even insult.

Well, you just did. Kind of ironic.

Well non-Christians don't get no freedom. Why? Because if you ain't Christian, you ain't welcome in America. America for Christians. Freedom for Christians. In a godless world, America must be the last hope for Christians worldwide.

The government is secular for a reason. Our country isn't set up to be an idiotic theocracy.

I would claim the country isn't but the culture right now is. I do not trust the US to end up like Great Britain...

[Genivaria]

How can you be free if you deny people freedom?

Well non-Christians don't get no freedom. Why? Because if you ain't Christian, you ain't welcome in America. America for Christians. Freedom for Christians. In a godless world, America must be the last hope for Christians worldwide.

ISIS is sad you're the wrong religion, you'd fit right in.

[Benuty]

Most of those were isolated incidents and the Klu Klux Klan was more racially-motivated. Yes, they don't like Catholics and Jews but they are nowhere near an Islamic Jihadist.

I find it amusing that you describe 2000 years filled with oppression, genocide and other general unpleasantness as "isolated incidents".

If history has taught us anything, it is that christianity tends to promote "un-niceness" in people.

2000 years?

I know the Catholics have been around a while, but even that seems a stretch .

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I would claim the country isn't but the culture right now is. I do not trust the US to end up like Great Britain...

I don't trust Americans at all.

If there is one thing your culture has taught me is that I shouldn't expect for there not to be an even more stupid idea tomorrow than the one I hear today.

[A lost soul]

USA may not be a Christian nation but try going to Pennsylvania or Tennessee and saying that it isn't Christian. You'll have jesus shoved so far down your throat you won't remember what breathing felt like.

[Aidannadia]

A thousand times no.

People don't realize this but the US was not founded on Christian values at all. It was founded on the ideals of the Enlightenment and marked the beginning of our move away from religion in the Western world. Most of the founding fathers weren't just secularist but were not even "Christian" per se. They were what one would call today "deist," not believing the bible and its far fetched stories but still believing that the universe had a creator or that a god existed but wasn't exactly as the bible describes. The Founding Fathers knew the dangerous nature of religion and its ability to control the mind of countless people through indoctrination at a young age and NEVER wanted America to adopt a literal "bible=law" mentality.

You can sight many laws inspired by Christianity; however, those laws don't mean jack s***. They are clear violation of the Constitution but any politician attacking them would be shut down so fast they wouldn't even stay in office long enough to change them. The "Under God" was not in the original pledge and "In God We Trust" were introduced far after the influence of any founding father.

Also, Christian State of Mississippi, you are the reason that people don't like the South, my home and home of a great many wonderful people, and I hope that one day you will grow up and mature past your bigotry for your good and the good of the nation.

[Madiganistan]

A thousand times no.

People don't realize this but the US was not founded on Christian values at all. It was founded on the ideals of the Enlightenment and marked the beginning of our move away from religion in the Western world. Most of the founding fathers weren't just secularist but were not even "Christian" per se. They were what one would call today "deist," not believing the bible and its far fetched stories but still believing that the universe had a creator or that a god existed but wasn't exactly as the bible describes. The Founding Fathers knew the dangerous nature of religion and its ability to control the mind of countless people through indoctrination at a young age and NEVER wanted America to adopt a literal "bible=law" mentality.

You can sight many laws inspired by Christianity; however, those laws don't mean jack s***. They are clear violation of the Constitution but any politician attacking them would be shut down so fast they wouldn't even stay in office long enough to change them. The "Under God" was not in the original pledge and "In God We Trust" were introduced far after the influence of any founding father.

Also, Christian State of Mississippi, you are the reason that people don't like the South, my home and home of a great many wonderful people, and I hope that one day you will grow up and mature past your bigotry for your good and the good of the nation.

*cite

[Benuty]

I would claim the country isn't but the culture right now is. I do not trust the US to end up like Great Britain...

I don't trust Americans at all.

If there is one thing your culture has taught me is that I shouldn't expect for there not to be an even more stupid idea tomorrow than the one I hear today.

American culture?

No such thing exists not with all the petty regionalism that is going on. Sure the government has a culture one that is so separate from the American people you could blow up half of the country, and they wouldn't notice until the groceries stopped coming in a week later.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

ODIN BE PRAISED!

ALL HAIL THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER!

HAIL BOB! HAIL ERIS!

[Benuty]

ALL HAIL THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER!

HAIL BOB! HAIL ERIS!

http://grimadventures.wikia.com/wiki/Eris

Figures the apple of discord escaped.

[Aidannadia]

A thousand times no.

People don't realize this but the US was not founded on Christian values at all. It was founded on the ideals of the Enlightenment and marked the beginning of our move away from religion in the Western world. Most of the founding fathers weren't just secularist but were not even "Christian" per se. They were what one would call today "deist," not believing the bible and its far fetched stories but still believing that the universe had a creator or that a god existed but wasn't exactly as the bible describes. The Founding Fathers knew the dangerous nature of religion and its ability to control the mind of countless people through indoctrination at a young age and NEVER wanted America to adopt a literal "bible=law" mentality.

You can sight many laws inspired by Christianity; however, those laws don't mean jack s***. They are clear violation of the Constitution but any politician attacking them would be shut down so fast they wouldn't even stay in office long enough to change them. The "Under God" was not in the original pledge and "In God We Trust" were introduced far after the influence of any founding father.

Also, Christian State of Mississippi, you are the reason that people don't like the South, my home and home of a great many wonderful people, and I hope that one day you will grow up and mature past your bigotry for your good and the good of the nation.

*cite

I don't know how official some of these are, but I do know many pages agree. My father originally told me about the relationship that the founding fathers had with the church because he was a history major and wrote a paper on it once.
Deism and the Founding Fathers
http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/1272214/The-Founding-Fathers-Deism-and-Christianity

In God We trust
http://www.treasury.gov/about/education/Pages/in-god-we-trust.aspx

Under God
http://www.religioustolerance.org/nat_pled1.htm

[The Sapiens]

I find it amusing that you describe 2000 years filled with oppression, genocide and other general unpleasantness as "isolated incidents".

If history has taught us anything, it is that christianity tends to promote "un-niceness" in people.

2000 years?

I know the Catholics have been around a while, but even that seems a stretch .

Ummmmmmm... Christianity has been around for MORE than 200 years...

[The Empire of Pretantia]

ALL HAIL THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER!

HAIL BOB! HAIL ERIS!

PRAISE THE EMPEROR!

2000 years?

I know the Catholics have been around a while, but even that seems a stretch .

Ummmmmmm... Christianity has been around for MORE than 200 years...

He said 2000, not 200.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

HAIL BOB! HAIL ERIS!

PRAISE THE EMPEROR!

Ummmmmmm... Christianity has been around for MORE than 200 years...

He said 2000, not 200.

He typed 2000, he didn't say it.

Unless he says things as he's typing them...

You know what, never mind.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I don't trust Americans at all.

If there is one thing your culture has taught me is that I shouldn't expect for there not to be an even more stupid idea tomorrow than the one I hear today.

American culture?

No such thing exists not with all the petty regionalism that is going on. Sure the government has a culture one that is so separate from the American people you could blow up half of the country, and they wouldn't notice until the groceries stopped coming in a week later.

Regionalism is not unique to the United States

[Madiganistan]

*cite

I don't know how official some of these are, but I do know many pages agree. My father originally told me about the relationship that the founding fathers had with the church because he was a history major and wrote a paper on it once.
Deism and the Founding Fathers
http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/1272214/The-Founding-Fathers-Deism-and-Christianity

In God We trust
http://www.treasury.gov/about/education/Pages/in-god-we-trust.aspx

Under God
http://www.religioustolerance.org/nat_pled1.htm

I appreciate your willingness to substantiate your beliefs with third-party perspectives, but I didn't and don't plan on having a go with you on this.
I was providing spellcheck snark on the fact that you wrote "sight" rather than "cite" at some point in your initial post.

[New Neros]

American culture?

No such thing exists not with all the petty regionalism that is going on. Sure the government has a culture one that is so separate from the American people you could blow up half of the country, and they wouldn't notice until the groceries stopped coming in a week later.

Regionalism is not unique to the United States

Example? Scotland, Catalonia, anywhere-that-has-a-region, etc.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Well non-Christians don't get no freedom. Why? Because if you ain't Christian, you ain't welcome in America. America for Christians. Freedom for Christians. In a godless world, America must be the last hope for Christians worldwide.

You are too stupid to even insult.

*** Warned for flaming ***

[The Creepoc Infinite]

You are too stupid to even insult.

*** Warned for flaming ***

I understand why he flamed this guy.
I seriously hope the Mississippi guy is not serious

[Catholic Federalized States]

Regionalism is not unique to the United States

Example? Scotland, Catalonia, anywhere-that-has-a-region, etc.

Regionalism is unique to the United States.

Scottish Nationalist Party and Convergencia Catalunya are secessionist parties, they're not advocating regionalism.

[Madiganistan]

Example? Scotland, Catalonia, anywhere-that-has-a-region, etc.

Regionalism is unique to the United States.

Scottish Nationalist Party and Convergencia Catalunya are secessionist parties, they're not advocating regionalism.

Someone doesn't understand what regionalism is.