AMERICA: A Christian Nation?

[Gurkland]

The United States is included on wikipedia between the secular countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_reli ... e_religion
There is unanimous agreement among intellectuals that the United States is a nation without official religion. Still need more proofs? The behavior of some fanatical conservatives should not intimidate you into thinking the United States as a secular nation that respects the religious freedom. Because, in fact it is.
You have said in your statement that the United States is not secular. What, then? Prove you that this is a religious country showing a government document that establishes Christianity as the official religion of the nation.
Your sentence means nothing if you do not know written stuff of something from the American Government.
The burden of proof lies on you.

[AiliailiA]

Libya under Gaddafi was a secular nation.
Iraq under Saddam was a secular nation.
Even Iran under Pahlavi was a secular nation.

I had some point I was going to make. Too drunk. Good wishes and good night.

[The Creepoc Infinite]

Libya under Gaddafi was a secular nation.
Iraq under Saddam was a secular nation.
Even Iran under Pahlavi was a secular nation.

I had some point I was going to make. Too drunk. Good wishes and good night.

Sad dam was a great man.
He loved his people and did his best to create a beautiful country of sunshine, lollipops and happiness.
We all love you Saddam!
And hitler... He was such a charmer! Such a brilliant man.

[Gurkland]

This does not mean anything. Adolf Hitler had a mustache and hair blacks. This does not mean that all people with mustaches have the evil heart of evil. The United States is a democratic republic. And secularism is an essential component to protect the freedom of the individual who is praised by the Americans themselves. Your speeches are meaningless.
Structural differences are too strong to compare the Libya with the United States. Ok, then i tell you. An essential component of the Libyan cuisine is pasta with tomato sauce, as in Italian cuisine. Maybe this is a sign of the terrorism of the Italians? Of course not.

[Nerotysia]

First Amendment of the United States:
''Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.'

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Treaty of Tripoli:
''As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims]; and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Mohammedan] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.''

I believe these two sentences can finish the speech. The United States are not atheists in the sense of persecution of any religion, nor of any favoritism of any kind in the religion. The United States (As my country in real life, for that matter) is secular and independent of religion. it is true that most of the American people is affiliated to the Christian religion, but this amendment provides that the United States will always be a secular state, no matter what is the majority religion. If the United States suffer a massive Muslim immigration, oh well, there's no problem. The situation establishing the religion in the United States does not change. It could be a state with a Muslim majority, but secular as Indonesia. The Americans have an unreasonable fear toward Muslims who are discriminated against in the name of their ideology,.Americans are terribly ignorant and this question shows that the person who asked the question did not read anything about the formation of the US nation.

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Oh I love the Treaty of Tripoli. Such a strong argument.

The US is signatory to many treaties it has violated. UN Declaration of the Rights of the Child for instance, which the US is in violation of every time a state government is permitted to execute a citizen for crimes committed as a minor. Or the war crimes which every President since Nixon has committed.

The signature of the US Congress on a treaty doesn't mean shit.

But somehow, the Treaty of Tripoli proves the US is a secular nation?

It doesn't prove it, but it's evidence, along with the Constitution and heaps of legal history.

[Storica]

To quote Lincoln "Government for the people" but if the majority of the population is christian does the government work for them?

[The Creepoc Infinite]

To quote Lincoln "Government for the people" but if the majority of the population is christian does the government work for them?

Why did you quote me on something I've never said?

[Ifreann]

Apatheist?
So you're basically atheist?

NO!

Apatheists don't even care to participate in arguments.
So I don't believe in God, but I don't not believe in God.
I don't care anyway, I've got love, music and work to think about, let alone religion/irreligion

You've come to the wrong neighbourhood if you don't want to participate in arguments.

[The Creepoc Infinite]

NO!

Apatheists don't even care to participate in arguments.
So I don't believe in God, but I don't not believe in God.
I don't care anyway, I've got love, music and work to think about, let alone religion/irreligion

You've come to the wrong neighbourhood if you don't want to participate in arguments.

I was wondering that myself.
If he's an apatheist, why did he even leave a post?
He obviously cares somewhat.


Nice flag ifreann

[New Lexington]

To quote Lincoln "Government for the people" but if the majority of the population is christian does the government work for them?

The government serves the people, yes. ALL the people. Not just the majority.

[The Creepoc Infinite]

To quote Lincoln "Government for the people" but if the majority of the population is christian does the government work for them?

Oh and uh... No.
If we use the same logic and apply it to the constitution, free speech would mean jack shit.
If that which is unpopular is not represented by America, it has no protection.

The reason we have "freedom of speech" is to protect unpopular ideas and words.
So we can say 'fuck' in public without getting in trouble, so even scumbags like the Westboro baptist church have a right to speak their garbage.
Free speech protects unpopular speech. (Unfortunately we don't tend to extend this over to so called "bad words")

Freedom of religion works the same way.
The reason the government is to be secular is to protect the less popular religions or lack thereof.
It is there to protect Muslims, Hindus, atheists, Buddhists, etc. from discrimination from more popular religions like Christianity and Catholicism. If they had their way, all non-Christians would be getting fucked by the system as we speak.

[Tel]

America is a Christian nation. The Founding Fathers may have been secularists but the power belongs to the people! The American people are Christians! The Marxists are just fabricating the lies to push for an anti-religious agenda. Sooner or later, our Judeo-Christian roots will be lost.

If it upsets you, I certainly hope so.

That's coming from a fellow Christian, by the way.

[Perlaraja]

America is a Christian nation. The Founding Fathers may have been secularists but the power belongs to the people! The American people are Christians! The Marxists are just fabricating the lies to push for an anti-religious agenda. Sooner or later, our Judeo-Christian roots will be lost.

What does it have you to uphold the biblical faith, other than heavenly reward?

Practicing Catholic here, though.

[Pantoufle]

Jews are okay. But Jewish immigration to the states shall be limited. Everyone else should not be welcome because their unholy faiths will dilute American culture, traditions and values. That includes Christianity!

Idgaf if this was posted a month ago but I'm going to address it anyways.

I hope you're not serious, if you are. You sir are messed up.

[Cyllea]

Yea....Hold on.

God just told me that he has no memory of the whole constitution thing. Only thing he wrote was 50 shades of grey and some bullshit in the 60s.

He then just sat there....

How dare you insult God and mention that pornographic novel in the same post! Haven't you been raised to respect religious beliefs?

>says that all non-christians should be deported
>says to respect religious beliefs

Pick one.

(yes i know its an old post but i felt it needed to be replied to anyway

[Lucasfjalla]

Officially, no, it is a secular State. But America isn't a secular Nation.

[Tekania]

To quote Lincoln "Government for the people" but if the majority of the population is christian does the government work for them?

A secular government works for the people regardless of their religious beliefs... so yes, it works for them if it it is secular.

[Serbany]

Officially, no, it is a secular State. But America isn't a secular Nation.

Yet this argument is circle-jerked over and over again.

[Earth and its colonies]

So like my previous threads this thread is written to avoid further threadjack in a different thread. Like the title says is America a Christian Nation?

My answer is no. America might have a majority of it's people being differing denominations of Christian, but it is not a Christian nation. It was not founded based on the bible, but rather based on enlightenment ideas. Its laws now do not come from the bible, its government is not based in the church. It is in fact forbidden for the government to support or promote any 1 religion over another, or even promote religion or non-religion.

Oh and of course the founding fathers where at best desists, and the Treaty of Tripoli is a thing.

I am proud to say America is a Christian nation, though sadly the left is striping it away.

[The Creepoc Infinite]

So like my previous threads this thread is written to avoid further threadjack in a different thread. Like the title says is America a Christian Nation?

My answer is no. America might have a majority of it's people being differing denominations of Christian, but it is not a Christian nation. It was not founded based on the bible, but rather based on enlightenment ideas. Its laws now do not come from the bible, its government is not based in the church. It is in fact forbidden for the government to support or promote any 1 religion over another, or even promote religion or non-religion.

Oh and of course the founding fathers where at best desists, and the Treaty of Tripoli is a thing.

I am proud to say America is a Christian nation, though sadly the left is striping it away.

Wrong sir

[New Lexington]

So like my previous threads this thread is written to avoid further threadjack in a different thread. Like the title says is America a Christian Nation?

My answer is no. America might have a majority of it's people being differing denominations of Christian, but it is not a Christian nation. It was not founded based on the bible, but rather based on enlightenment ideas. Its laws now do not come from the bible, its government is not based in the church. It is in fact forbidden for the government to support or promote any 1 religion over another, or even promote religion or non-religion.

Oh and of course the founding fathers where at best desists, and the Treaty of Tripoli is a thing.

I am proud to say America is a Christian nation, though sadly the left is striping it away.

No, it is really not, and no, left leaning politics are not stripping it away.

[Cata Larga]

Did anyone cite the Treaty of Tripoli yet? If not, can I do it? Pleeeaaase? Pretty pleeease?

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

So like my previous threads this thread is written to avoid further threadjack in a different thread. Like the title says is America a Christian Nation?

My answer is no. America might have a majority of it's people being differing denominations of Christian, but it is not a Christian nation. It was not founded based on the bible, but rather based on enlightenment ideas. Its laws now do not come from the bible, its government is not based in the church. It is in fact forbidden for the government to support or promote any 1 religion over another, or even promote religion or non-religion.

Oh and of course the founding fathers where at best desists, and the Treaty of Tripoli is a thing.

I am proud to say America is a Christian nation, though sadly the left is striping it away.

Too bad you're proud of nothing

[United Socialist Republic of Restonia]

Oh I love the Treaty of Tripoli. Such a strong argument.

The US is signatory to many treaties it has violated. UN Declaration of the Rights of the Child for instance, which the US is in violation of every time a state government is permitted to execute a citizen for crimes committed as a minor. Or the war crimes which every President since Nixon has committed.

The signature of the US Congress on a treaty doesn't mean shit.

But somehow, the Treaty of Tripoli proves the US is a secular nation?

It doesn't prove it, but it's evidence, along with the Constitution and heaps of legal history.

And that is the argument that the sectarians, no matter what religion that happens to be the "majority" at any given time, will argue. However as you so pointed out, the constitution, the Treaty of Tripoli, and the heaps and heaps of legal history is more than enough evidence to show that the United States is in fact a secular nation. It seems that the sectarians (in this case christians) are seeing things in the light of this: "Well since we are the majority religion of choice of the people of the United States, that makes us a christian nation." In fact, that does NOT, and never will make it a christian nation, nor will it any other religion that happens to hold the majority. However, I do believe sooner or later, the United States as a country / state, is going to need to finelly force the issue once and for all and completely remove any respect from any religion, including from its pledge (where it was never originally there to begin with), oaths of office, currency, etc and so on. That will once and for all put this to rest, and the religious folks can go about worshipping their gods and practicing their religions privately, while leaving everyone else alone weather or not they believe the same as them or not. That will be the only way to permanently solve this issue once and for all. Religion is a personal / private matter, and has no place in law, judiciary, nor governance of any general populace, in our type of nation, and most types of modern day nations. Period.

[Mesrane]

No, America is a secular nation, founded on the Constitution, not on the Bible. Yes we have a Christian majority, but our laws and rights are dictated by an entirely secular document.