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Nanatsu no Tsuki
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Mar 18, 2015 1:54 pm

Val Halla wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Whatever it was. Not kosher. But the anonimity of cyberspace makes some idiots think they're boss when in reality, they're just puny dicks. Nothing to wonder about for me.

Most likely. You probably have reasons for trolling, and they likely aren't good ones.


I just don't see a reason to troll transgender people. Nothing you do is causing me or anyone harm. You're just trying to become the person you deep down know you are and feel comfortable with. What is there to hate about that? What's more, how can I not, as a human being, relate? It's a search we all engage in, regardless of sex or gender or orientation or station in life.
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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Mar 18, 2015 1:56 pm

Lordieth wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:We go through it all the time. Spare parts become unAvailable, application requirements change, and sometimes they dont. Many life safety specs still require pstn service.

Your right about cultural resistance. The operations folks are still very proud they can run the railroad with pencil and paper.


Yeah, it's the fear of the kind of change that will improve systems and make things better I've never liked. I've always embraced change for the better, but I've worked with people who will refuse to use new systems because it's out of their comfort zone.

It's hard to strike the right balance, the bleeding edge of technology is a bad place to be in life safety. On the other hand, current systems can't always handle the Capacities required.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Wed Mar 18, 2015 1:56 pm

Gallade wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Even when there isn't anonymity
http://deadspin.com/curt-schilling-goes ... 1688969687

That's brilliant, good on him.


I always love it when scum like that are put in their place.
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Val Halla
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Postby Val Halla » Wed Mar 18, 2015 1:58 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Val Halla wrote:Most likely. You probably have reasons for trolling, and they likely aren't good ones.


I just don't see a reason to troll transgender people. Nothing you do is causing me or anyone harm. You're just trying to become the person you deep down know you are and feel comfortable with. What is there to hate about that? What's more, how can I not, as a human being, relate? It's a search we all engage in, regardless of sex or gender or orientation or station in life.

Well, I'm going to put it largely down on how it isn't a common thing, some people are from very traditional families, who go against such beliefs. It's just the way it goes. it's also a way for people to feel big, or indulge a sense of power. They have reasons, even if those reasons are bullcrap.
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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Mar 18, 2015 1:59 pm

The Holy Therns wrote:
Gallade wrote:That's brilliant, good on him.


I always love it when scum like that are put in their place.

Agreed.
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Nanatsu no Tsuki
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:01 pm

Val Halla wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I just don't see a reason to troll transgender people. Nothing you do is causing me or anyone harm. You're just trying to become the person you deep down know you are and feel comfortable with. What is there to hate about that? What's more, how can I not, as a human being, relate? It's a search we all engage in, regardless of sex or gender or orientation or station in life.

Well, I'm going to put it largely down on how it isn't a common thing, some people are from very traditional families, who go against such beliefs. It's just the way it goes. it's also a way for people to feel big, or indulge a sense of power. They have reasons, even if those reasons are bullcrap.


Oh, sure. Reasons, we all have them, and yes, some reasons are bullshit.

I'm not even angry. Waxing philosophical mostly.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:01 pm

The Holy Therns wrote:
Gallade wrote:That's brilliant, good on him.

I always love it when scum like that are put in their place.

Also a proper reminder that nobody is really anonymous on the internet. So better do the same thing you do in real life and be civil, because that stuff will pop up over and over again every time somebody does a search query on your name.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby Gallade » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:01 pm

The Holy Therns wrote:
Gallade wrote:That's brilliant, good on him.


I always love it when scum like that are put in their place.

Mhm. The mind boggles how somebody can think that's in any way acceptable. I may not agree with the more militant feminists, but I can certainly see where they're getting their fodder from.
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Postby Lordieth » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:02 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Lordieth wrote:
Yeah, it's the fear of the kind of change that will improve systems and make things better I've never liked. I've always embraced change for the better, but I've worked with people who will refuse to use new systems because it's out of their comfort zone.

It's hard to strike the right balance, the bleeding edge of technology is a bad place to be in life safety. On the other hand, current systems can't always handle the Capacities required.


There's a well known example in database systems. Newer, Object Orientated databases are vastly more efficient than what everyone uses today, yet they never took off, as nobody wanted to invest in the switch over.
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Val Halla
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Postby Val Halla » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:03 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Val Halla wrote:Well, I'm going to put it largely down on how it isn't a common thing, some people are from very traditional families, who go against such beliefs. It's just the way it goes. it's also a way for people to feel big, or indulge a sense of power. They have reasons, even if those reasons are bullcrap.


Oh, sure. Reasons, we all have them, and yes, some reasons are bullshit.

I'm not even angry. Waxing philosophical mostly.

In any case, it's best not to feed their ignorance. Just let 'em have their hatred, I'm not stopping them being stupid and prejudiced.
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Jute
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Postby Jute » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:03 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Val Halla wrote:Most likely. You probably have reasons for trolling, and they likely aren't good ones.


I just don't see a reason to troll transgender people. Nothing you do is causing me or anyone harm. You're just trying to become the person you deep down know you are and feel comfortable with. What is there to hate about that? What's more, how can I not, as a human being, relate? It's a search we all engage in, regardless of sex or gender or orientation or station in life.

There are plenty of awful, invalid reasons. Such as, it threatening your worldview, the thought making you imcomfortable or insecure or something like that. In other words, they might be able to use some help. Or they might not even accept it or anything that challenges their views on such things.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:04 pm

Gallade wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:I always love it when scum like that are put in their place.

Mhm. The mind boggles how somebody can think that's in any way acceptable. I may not agree with the more militant feminists, but I can certainly see where they're getting their fodder from.

There's something about social media that makes lesser persons unleash their inner deranged mongrel.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:05 pm

Val Halla wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Oh, sure. Reasons, we all have them, and yes, some reasons are bullshit.

I'm not even angry. Waxing philosophical mostly.

In any case, it's best not to feed their ignorance. Just let 'em have their hatred, I'm not stopping them being stupid and prejudiced.


Life, sometimes, takes care of that in the most amusing ways...

In other news, if you're my height, do not have hydrocodone. Woah.
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Postby Lordieth » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:05 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Gallade wrote:Internet cojones. Gotta love what anonymity does to people.

Even when there isn't anonymity
http://deadspin.com/curt-schilling-goes ... 1688969687


Under normal circumstances I'm against doxxing, but when you harass people on the internet, you have it coming.
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Postby Edgy Opinions » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:05 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Gallade wrote:Mhm. The mind boggles how somebody can think that's in any way acceptable. I may not agree with the more militant feminists, but I can certainly see where they're getting their fodder from.

There's something about social media that makes lesser persons unleash their inner deranged mongrel.

True, my views tend to get more of an angry tone in Facebook.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:05 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Val Halla wrote:Most likely. You probably have reasons for trolling, and they likely aren't good ones.


I just don't see a reason to troll transgender people. Nothing you do is causing me or anyone harm. You're just trying to become the person you deep down know you are and feel comfortable with. What is there to hate about that? What's more, how can I not, as a human being, relate? It's a search we all engage in, regardless of sex or gender or orientation or station in life.

Figuring out who you are, is a big part of growing up. I don't get it, either.
The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:05 pm

Val Halla wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Oh, sure. Reasons, we all have them, and yes, some reasons are bullshit.

I'm not even angry. Waxing philosophical mostly.

In any case, it's best not to feed their ignorance. Just let 'em have their hatred, I'm not stopping them being stupid and prejudiced.


Rustling jimmies EVERYWHERE.
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Nanatsu no Tsuki
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:06 pm

Jute wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I just don't see a reason to troll transgender people. Nothing you do is causing me or anyone harm. You're just trying to become the person you deep down know you are and feel comfortable with. What is there to hate about that? What's more, how can I not, as a human being, relate? It's a search we all engage in, regardless of sex or gender or orientation or station in life.

There are plenty of awful, invalid reasons. Such as, it threatening your worldview, the thought making you imcomfortable or insecure or something like that. In other words, they might be able to use some help. Or they might not even accept it or anything that challenges their views on such things.


I can't relate to that. But you're not incorrect.
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Postby Val Halla » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:07 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Val Halla wrote:In any case, it's best not to feed their ignorance. Just let 'em have their hatred, I'm not stopping them being stupid and prejudiced.


Rustling jimmies EVERYWHERE.

Like Walker's crisp packets.

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Val Halla wrote:In any case, it's best not to feed their ignorance. Just let 'em have their hatred, I'm not stopping them being stupid and prejudiced.


Life, sometimes, takes care of that in the most amusing ways...

In other news, if you're my height, do not have hydrocodone. Woah.

Getting high again Nana? :p
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Postby The Holy Therns » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:07 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:I always love it when scum like that are put in their place.

Also a proper reminder that nobody is really anonymous on the internet. So better do the same thing you do in real life and be civil, because that stuff will pop up over and over again every time somebody does a search query on your name.


Of those who think they're untouchably anonymous on the internet, I prefer those who make benign lies to appear more interesting. Still silly, but harmless.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:08 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I just don't see a reason to troll transgender people. Nothing you do is causing me or anyone harm. You're just trying to become the person you deep down know you are and feel comfortable with. What is there to hate about that? What's more, how can I not, as a human being, relate? It's a search we all engage in, regardless of sex or gender or orientation or station in life.

Figuring out who you are, is a big part of growing up. I don't get it, either.


At 34, at times, I still feel like I'm figuring certain things out. The struggle is real. :p
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:08 pm

Edgy Opinions wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:There's something about social media that makes lesser persons unleash their inner deranged mongrel.

True, my views tend to get more of an angry tone in Facebook.


I find that you get more chance to think about what you're saying when it's online, so how I comment is more thoughtful than IRL.
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Postby Gallade » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:08 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Gallade wrote:Mhm. The mind boggles how somebody can think that's in any way acceptable. I may not agree with the more militant feminists, but I can certainly see where they're getting their fodder from.

There's something about social media that makes lesser persons unleash their inner deranged mongrel.

It threatens my worldview quite severely, I'm scared and infuriated. We must be putting in more effort to act as civilly online as we do offline than we realise. WHERE'S OUR PARADE?!
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:08 pm

Lordieth wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:It's hard to strike the right balance, the bleeding edge of technology is a bad place to be in life safety. On the other hand, current systems can't always handle the Capacities required.


There's a well known example in database systems. Newer, Object Orientated databases are vastly more efficient than what everyone uses today, yet they never took off, as nobody wanted to invest in the switch over.

Ipx was more efficient than ip, gossip was suppose to be the osi model, ip6 is too big of a pain in the ass to do. Middle ground is hard to find.
The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.

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Hurdegaryp
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:09 pm

Jute wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I just don't see a reason to troll transgender people. Nothing you do is causing me or anyone harm. You're just trying to become the person you deep down know you are and feel comfortable with. What is there to hate about that? What's more, how can I not, as a human being, relate? It's a search we all engage in, regardless of sex or gender or orientation or station in life.

There are plenty of awful, invalid reasons. Such as, it threatening your worldview, the thought making you imcomfortable or insecure or something like that. In other words, they might be able to use some help. Or they might not even accept it or anything that challenges their views on such things.

That reminds me of the documentary about the Washington DC punk/hardcore scene I saw yesterday, Salad Days. In the late seventies the first punk rockers started appearing in the streets of Washington, which agitated certain redneck types so much that they literally stopped their car in order to beat up a teenager whose appearance didn't fit their extremely limited view of the world. It's a kind of primitive and hostile behaviour that has been around for thousands of years.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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