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The Falklands, Who Should Have Them?

Poll ended at Sat Mar 07, 2015 3:53 pm

The British, The Falklanders Themselves Want It, It's Britain's Duty To Protect Them!
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The Argentinians, The Islands Have Spanish Roots!
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Postby Allegan County » Sat Feb 28, 2015 7:45 pm

I like how Jorge Luis Borges describes the Falklands conflict as "two bald men fighting over a comb".
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Postby Dnalgaf » Sat Feb 28, 2015 7:48 pm

Allegan County wrote:I like how Jorge Luis Borges describes the Falklands conflict as "two bald men fighting over a comb".


Borges was dumb.
The only thing you could salvage from him was his writing, but his political views were laughable.

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Postby Allegan County » Sat Feb 28, 2015 7:51 pm

Dnalgaf wrote:Borges was dumb.


I can't believe I read this.

Dnalgaf wrote:The only thing you could salvage from him was his writing, but his political views were laughable.


Do you really consider liberalism — the ideology that basically shaped the Western world's politics — laughable?
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Feb 28, 2015 7:52 pm

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Let alone arguing with him.


It'd be easier to argue with a brick wall.

It'd listen.

Never mind listening, the brick wall could actually come up with an argument not based solely on vendetta.
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Postby Dnalgaf » Sat Feb 28, 2015 7:55 pm

Allegan County wrote:
Dnalgaf wrote:Borges was dumb.


I can't believe I read this.

Dnalgaf wrote:The only thing you could salvage from him was his writing, but his political views were laughable.


Do you really consider liberalism — the ideology that basically shaped the Western world's politics — laughable?


The man that considered killing for politics reasonable?
The man that approved of Pinochet?
The dude that was ashamed of being born Argentinian and wished from the bottom of his heart that he became German overnight?

Yeah, fuck him.

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Postby Cyrisnia » Sat Feb 28, 2015 7:57 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
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It'd be easier to argue with a brick wall.

It'd listen.

Never mind listening, the brick wall could actually come up with an argument not based solely on vendetta.

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Postby Celritannia » Sat Feb 28, 2015 7:58 pm

Well, I just got done reading through this thread.
Very comical.

Anyway, as it has been said countless times, by the rights of the democratic process and protected by several international laws, the Falkland Islands, for whom the residents of said islands live upon, have the rights and capabilities to decide their own rights and freedoms to choose who should administer their lands and to whom they belong to. As the islanders have, time and again, stressed their democratic rights, freedoms, and liberties to remain part of the Oversea Territories of the United Kingdom and be administered by Her Majesty's (British) Government.
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Postby Allegan County » Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:03 pm

Dnalgaf wrote:The man that considered killing for politics reasonable?


As far as I'm aware, he opposed the Argentine junta's Dirty War.

Dnalgaf wrote:The man that approved of Pinochet?


It's true that he had an emotional attachment to Pinochet. Although I admire his economic reforms, that's inexcusable.

Dnalgaf wrote:The dude that was ashamed of being born Argentinian and wished from the bottom of his heart that he became German overnight?


Breaking away from the cancerous Argentine chauvinistic political tradition is another reason why I admire Borges as an ideologue.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:09 pm

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They should be right, despite not knowing the entire fact, It seems that Mr.S is up to some mischief and from your story is definitely up to some mischief on behalf of Britain, He should be expelled


You just agreed with the BNP, that Mr Singh, should be expelled from his home, where his family have lived since before 1900, because he is a Sikh, and thus, not of the same ethnicity or skin colour as the majority population of the country that he lives in, which is Scotland.

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Postby Dnalgaf » Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:11 pm

Allegan County wrote:
Dnalgaf wrote:The man that considered killing for politics reasonable?


As far as I'm aware, he opposed the Argentine junta's Dirty War.

Dnalgaf wrote:The man that approved of Pinochet?


It's true that he had an emotional attachment to Pinochet. Although I admire his economic reforms, that's inexcusable.

Dnalgaf wrote:The dude that was ashamed of being born Argentinian and wished from the bottom of his heart that he became German overnight?


Breaking away from the cancerous Argentine chauvinistic political tradition is another reason why I admire Borges as an ideologue.


If I had to put a bet, it'd be because it was an Argentinian process.
Approved of it or not, he supported political killings, that makes one's opinion on politics certainly lower.

And I don't support peronism either, at all, but being ashamed of being born Argentinian is another thing completely which I can only dismiss as dumb.
Not to mention his rather large issues with black people.

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Postby Eastfield Lodge » Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:13 pm

The Falklanders should just 'pull a Crimea' - declare themselves independent from Britain in a referendum, then rejoin as a British Overseas Territory.
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Postby Edgy Opinions » Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:14 pm

Allegan County wrote:Do you really consider liberalism — the ideology that basically shaped the Western world's politics — laughable?

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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:16 pm

Eastfield Lodge wrote:The Falklanders should just 'pull a Crimea' - declare themselves independent from Britain in a referendum, then rejoin as a British Overseas Territory.


...can't tell if joking or has no idea about the Falklands...

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Postby Assorted Sucrose-Based Lifeforms » Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:17 pm

Eastfield Lodge wrote:The Falklanders should just 'pull a Crimea' - declare themselves independent from Britain in a referendum, then rejoin as a British Overseas Territory.

But they already decided not to in an internationally observed and recognised referendum, and they're already a Btitish Overseas Territory.
Am I missing a joke here or something?

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Postby Eastfield Lodge » Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:17 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Eastfield Lodge wrote:The Falklanders should just 'pull a Crimea' - declare themselves independent from Britain in a referendum, then rejoin as a British Overseas Territory.


...can't tell if joking or has no idea about the Falklands...

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Eastfield Lodge wrote:The Falklanders should just 'pull a Crimea' - declare themselves independent from Britain in a referendum, then rejoin as a British Overseas Territory.

But they already decided not to in an internationally observed and recognised referendum, and they're already a Btitish Overseas Territory.
Am I missing a joke here or something?

I am of course joking.
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Postby Dakran » Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:19 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Eastfield Lodge wrote:The Falklanders should just 'pull a Crimea' - declare themselves independent from Britain in a referendum, then rejoin as a British Overseas Territory.


...can't tell if joking or has no idea about the Falklands...

I dunno, it would be a giant "Fuck you" to Argentina. And a funny one at that.
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Postby Violante » Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:23 pm

This is just my insignificant opinion, however I believe the Falklands should remain in the possession of the United Kingdom, there was even a vote awhile back where the people who lived on the Falklands had a choice on who they wanted to represent them, they chose the English, if the citizens do not desire to be ruled by the Argentine government, then they shouldn't, simple as that.
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Postby Eastfield Lodge » Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:24 pm

Dakran wrote:
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...can't tell if joking or has no idea about the Falklands...

I dunno, it would be a giant "Fuck you" to Argentina. And a funny one at that.

That was the idea I was getting at.
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Postby Assorted Sucrose-Based Lifeforms » Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:25 pm

Eastfield Lodge wrote:I am of course joking.

Ah okay. So declare independence, just so that they can be the side that initiated the joining? Basically a big middle finger to Christina, but I'm sure she'd find some way to spin it.

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Postby Eastfield Lodge » Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:30 pm

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Eastfield Lodge wrote:I am of course joking.

Ah okay. So declare independence, just so that they can be the side that initiated the joining? Basically a big middle finger to Christina, but I'm sure she'd find some way to spin it.

Well, anyone remotely rational (on both sides) should see that the 'Falkland independence' negates any and all prior claims on the islands (I think), so the only remotely reasonable spin she could put on it would be about population supplantation.
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Postby Kaztropol » Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:30 pm

I'm not sure that I follow the logic in the example often used by Argentine politicians, about the islands of Diego Garcia.

The argument seems to be:

1. The islanders of Diego Garcia were moved, without agreeing to it, by the then British government, in order to provide an uninhabited island, for the USA to build a large naval station and air base.
2. This was wrong, and the British Government should have respected the islanders wishes.
3. Therefore, Britain's argument that the Falkland islanders wishes should be respected, should be disregarded, as hypocrisy.
4. Also, as an implanted population, the Falkland islanders wishes should be disregarded anyway.

However, the population of Diego Garcia, were brought there. The islands were uninhabited previously. The population did have its own culture, but their ancestry was that of a population that was implanted.

Does that then not mean that point 2 and point 4 contradict each other ? If point 4 is true, then Britain did no wrong in moving the Diego Garcia islanders, and point 2 is therefore wrong. If point 2 is true, then, despite being an implanted population, their wishes should be respected, and point 4 is therefore wrong.

Point 1 isn't controversial, that is what happened though. Point 3 is just more of what is normal in international disputes - calling each other hypocrites is fairly routine.

So I'm not sure on the logic of using Diego Garcia as an example, to compare with the situation in the Falklands.

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Postby The Emerald Dragon » Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:51 pm

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You just agreed with the BNP, that Mr Singh, should be expelled from his home, where his family have lived since before 1900, because he is a Sikh, and thus, not of the same ethnicity or skin colour as the majority population of the country that he lives in, which is Scotland.

Well done.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Feb 28, 2015 9:43 pm

Dakran wrote:
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...can't tell if joking or has no idea about the Falklands...

I dunno, it would be a giant "Fuck you" to Argentina. And a funny one at that.

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Postby The Archregimancy » Sat Feb 28, 2015 9:51 pm

Benuty wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:He's not saying that, though. The only person in this thread saying that is Manisdog, who is apparently Indian and only cares about this at all because he seems to hate British people with the same intensity Hitler hated the Jews.

Ironically since hate is a form of violence...they are violating the principle of Ahimsa (if Archregimancy was right about them being a Jain).


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Postby Imperialpowersofkorea » Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:34 pm

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If your saying the Falklanders Should go back to britain, it's only fair if you go back to spain.

He's not saying that, though. The only person in this thread saying that is Manisdog, who is apparently Indian and only cares about this at all because he seems to hate British people with the same intensity Hitler hated the Jews.

Just go to Britain and have a walk over there you would see how much the British love people

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