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The Falklands, Who Should Have Them?

Poll ended at Sat Mar 07, 2015 3:53 pm

The British, The Falklanders Themselves Want It, It's Britain's Duty To Protect Them!
363
90%
The Argentinians, The Islands Have Spanish Roots!
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Total votes : 404

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Nanatsu no Tsuki
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Mar 01, 2015 5:20 am

Calimera II wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Falkland Islands. Abbreviation.


Oh, sorry. Yes, Argentinians can enter the Malvinas.


So from the mainland, Argentinians can go into the FIs. Good. I thought, for some reason, that transit into the FIs was banned from Argentina and by the British gov't. Thanks for the info.
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Postby Geanna » Sun Mar 01, 2015 5:22 am

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Oh, sorry. Yes, Argentinians can enter the Malvinas.

I bet those were popular moves with the locals :P


They sat back under the Union Jack, and drank some tea, laughing. Britain tried to return the bodies of those who'd died in the FI - needless to say the Argentine government refused. However, Britain's not against, to my knowledge, of allowing Argies into the islands.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Mar 01, 2015 5:23 am

Calimera II wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Falkland Islands. Abbreviation.


Oh, sorry. Yes, Argentinians can enter the Malvinas.

They have Argentine and British soldiers buried together down there dont they?
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Postby Calimera II » Sun Mar 01, 2015 5:25 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Calimera II wrote:
Oh, sorry. Yes, Argentinians can enter the Malvinas.

They have Argentine and British soldiers buried together down there dont they?


No, it's a picture of the Argentine Military Cemetery.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Mar 01, 2015 5:26 am

Calimera II wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:They have Argentine and British soldiers buried together down there dont they?


No, it's a picture of the Argentine Military Cemetery.


Say, is the Argie $50 bill still going to have a photo of the FIs on it?
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Postby Calimera II » Sun Mar 01, 2015 5:28 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Calimera II wrote:
No, it's a picture of the Argentine Military Cemetery.


Say, is the Argie $50 bill still going to have a photo of the FIs on it?


Yep. And also the cemetery is going to be displayed: https://emergingequity.files.wordpress. ... s-bill.jpg

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Mar 01, 2015 5:28 am

Calimera II wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Say, is the Argie $50 bill still going to have a photo of the FIs on it?


Yep. And also the cemetery is going to be displayed: https://emergingequity.files.wordpress. ... s-bill.jpg


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Postby Geanna » Sun Mar 01, 2015 5:28 am

Calimera II wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:They have Argentine and British soldiers buried together down there dont they?


No, it's a picture of the Argentine Military Cemetery.


Interesting how you specifically link to a vandalism incident.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Mar 01, 2015 5:29 am

Calimera II wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:They have Argentine and British soldiers buried together down there dont they?


No, it's a picture of the Argentine Military Cemetery.

Ah okay, i thought British soldiers were buried in the same cemetery as the Argentine soldiers that died. Evidently not.

Its Nice they built one for them.
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Postby Calimera II » Sun Mar 01, 2015 5:29 am

Geanna wrote:
Calimera II wrote:
No, it's a picture of the Argentine Military Cemetery.


Interesting how you specifically link to a vandalism incident.


Oops, I wanted to link to the history piece. Going to fix it.

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Postby Calimera II » Sun Mar 01, 2015 5:30 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Calimera II wrote:
No, it's a picture of the Argentine Military Cemetery.

Ah okay, i thought British soldiers were buried in the same cemetery as the Argentine soldiers that died. Evidently not.

Its Nice they build one for them.


The British have their own cemetery. And yes, it is nice a cemetery was built on the Malvinas/Falklands.
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Postby Second Modern Rome » Sun Mar 01, 2015 5:33 am

Britain should keep the Falklands. If the people of the Falklands don't want to be Argentinian, then let Britain keep them. Whether Argentina wants to lose another 600 men in a war against one of the most skilled Armies (Royal Army) in the world is their problem.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Sun Mar 01, 2015 5:35 am

Second Modern Rome wrote:Britain should keep the Falklands. If the people of the Falklands don't want to be Argentinian, then let Britain keep them. Whether Argentina wants to lose another 600 men in a war against one of the most skilled Armies (Royal Army) in the world is their problem.

The army isn't royal, though we have "royal" regiments. It's just the navy and airforce that we call "royal." It goes back to the War of the Three Kingdoms between King Charles I and Parliament; the British Army is supposed to be answerable to Parliament rather than the monarch.
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Postby Wizlandia » Sun Mar 01, 2015 5:38 am

Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:So why not instead of people bitching about too many Falklands threads, they make threads about something else?

India's sickening rape epidemic, extreme social stratification, extreme poverty, and shitty government are all good subjects, for example.


There is more Rape in the United Kingdom, Sweden and South Africa than India but you would not know because you like to hate on India

This is not the topic though


Maybe. Do you have any sources/evidence to back this up though?

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Postby Northern Arcadian Empire » Sun Mar 01, 2015 5:38 am

Honestly roots don't matter its how the people where raised and who they have the most culture with, if they want to stay with Britain let them. Its their choice, so lets honor that choice that they made. I full support their decision to stay with the British

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Mar 01, 2015 5:39 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:I believe there is absolutely no such restriction.
Some families on the island are like seventh-generation descendants of Argentine gauchos from the 1830s, when they were allegedly expulsed.


From Argentina's mainland?

Argentina's home to a massive British expat community.
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Postby Wizlandia » Sun Mar 01, 2015 5:42 am

Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
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Manisdog, it is openly know that you hate Britain for historical reasons, and that this is utter nonsense.

Give me an instance of recent British invasions to claim land.


This Falkland is just another cunning ruse to claim Antarctica, they are eyeing Antarctica and its vast resources.


Doesn't Britain abide by the Antarctic Treaty, which specifically states that the signatories must give up all claims on the continent?

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Postby Wizlandia » Sun Mar 01, 2015 5:42 am

Northern Arcadian Empire wrote:Honestly roots don't matter its how the people where raised and who they have the most culture with, if they want to stay with Britain let them. Its their choice, so lets honor that choice that they made. I full support their decision to stay with the British


Second this.

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Postby Old Tyrannia » Sun Mar 01, 2015 5:46 am

Wizlandia wrote:
Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
This Falkland is just another cunning ruse to claim Antarctica, they are eyeing Antarctica and its vast resources.


Doesn't Britain abide by the Antarctic Treaty, which specifically states that the signatories must give up all claims on the continent?

It states no such thing. The United Kingdom retains a claim to an area of Antarctica which is recognised by Australia, New Zealand, Norway and France.
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Postby Wizlandia » Sun Mar 01, 2015 5:50 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Wizlandia wrote:
Doesn't Britain abide by the Antarctic Treaty, which specifically states that the signatories must give up all claims on the continent?

It states no such thing. The United Kingdom retains a claim to an area of Antarctica which is recognised by Australia, New Zealand, Norway and France.


I see. Does the treaty say that there shall be no new territorial claims on Antarctica.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Mar 01, 2015 5:50 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Wizlandia wrote:
Doesn't Britain abide by the Antarctic Treaty, which specifically states that the signatories must give up all claims on the continent?

It states no such thing. The United Kingdom retains a claim to an area of Antarctica which is recognised by Australia, New Zealand, Norway and France.

The contention that Manis brings up is that we formally created that territory after acceding to the treaty, which stated that "no new claims" can be made or be recognised.

The territory had been generally held and accepted since about 1910 according to wiki.
Additionally those states recognise our claim informally as an agreement between countries. The claim, supposedly, has no actual international legitimacy - though obviously, those states would defend it.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Sun Mar 01, 2015 5:58 am

Wizlandia wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:It states no such thing. The United Kingdom retains a claim to an area of Antarctica which is recognised by Australia, New Zealand, Norway and France.


I see. Does the treaty say that there shall be no new territorial claims on Antarctica.

That, it does say. The exact wording is, "The treaty does not recognize, dispute, nor establish territorial sovereignty claims; no new claims shall be asserted while the treaty is in force;" Britain's claim, however, dates back to 1908, before the treaty was signed. Though as Imperializt Russia points out the territory was officially formed in 1962, after the treaty came into effect.

On a tangentially related note, it has a penguin on its coat of arms.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Mar 01, 2015 6:00 am

I assume we signed the treaty and were then like "shit, we never formalised this" and hence created the territory in 1962, after signing the treaty in 1961.
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Postby Second Modern Rome » Sun Mar 01, 2015 6:10 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Second Modern Rome wrote:Britain should keep the Falklands. If the people of the Falklands don't want to be Argentinian, then let Britain keep them. Whether Argentina wants to lose another 600 men in a war against one of the most skilled Armies (Royal Army) in the world is their problem.

The army isn't royal, though we have "royal" regiments. It's just the navy and airforce that we call "royal." It goes back to the War of the Three Kingdoms between King Charles I and Parliament; the British Army is supposed to be answerable to Parliament rather than the monarch.

Wow, I didn't know that. Well, you learn something new everyday.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Sun Mar 01, 2015 6:12 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I don't know, start telling us how much your hate Kashmir or something. Freshen up your repertoire.


I like Kashmir.

It's one of my favourite Led Zeppelin songs - obviously so much better than anything on In Through the Out Door.

Of course, Led Zeppelin were British imperialists culturally appropriating African American cultural tropes for their own personal financial gain - often without credit.

Typical British imperialists.....

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