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Postby The Sotoan Union » Sat Feb 28, 2015 1:30 am

Well you know death is inevitable. Speaking of which you have diabetes. Do you want to take medicine for it or do you want to just sit there until we have to amputate your leg?

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Postby Uawc » Sat Feb 28, 2015 2:00 am

One thing that makes me truly despise the human race is that when we work together, we are capable of anything, yet we continually squander our potential, distracted by wasteful politics and shallow materialism.

It is inevitable, but only because people are shit. If we won't stop global warming, we deserve it.
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Postby Herskerstad » Sat Feb 28, 2015 7:05 am

Bring some of that global warming here to Norway. We are freezing our asses off here.
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Postby Immoren » Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:01 am

Iwassoclose wrote:
Olivaero wrote:Or how about, we focus research into cheap renewable electricity so that it becomes more economically viable to use it instead of petrochemicals and carbon? That way we can get those developing countries to switch on their own because it would be economically unsound not to.


What is cheap renewable electricity that can feul the need for billions? :lol2:


Depenods of where you live.
And nuclear power.
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Postby Iwassoclose » Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:05 am

The Sotoan Union wrote:Well you know death is inevitable. Speaking of which you have diabetes. Do you want to take medicine for it or do you want to just sit there until we have to amputate your leg?


Well the difference with diabetes is that you have agency and direct control over how you end up. With climate change, even if you personally stop driving, put up solar panels etc. you will still be affected by what the other 7billion people will be doing.

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:16 am

Russels Orbiting Teapot wrote:
Iwassoclose wrote:
What does scientific research encompass? Because if it means spending more money to hear the same thing, its a waste of funds.

We should however be funding research on infrastructure and technology that will be necessary to prepare and combat for climate change.


Alternate energy sources to reduce and eventually eliminate our reliance on fossil fuels.
Methods to technologically or ecologically recapture the carbon and pull it out of our atmosphere, or otherwise reduce solar input.

as well as what you are suggesting.

The problem is what happens if the reduction of solar input goes too far. Humanity may inflict another ice age trying to stop global warming.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:17 am

Immoren wrote:
Iwassoclose wrote:
What is cheap renewable electricity that can feul the need for billions? :lol2:


Depenods of where you live.
And nuclear power.

Nuclear power? That's the power that Greenpeace and other environmentalists hate with a vengeance.
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Postby Immoren » Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:20 am

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Immoren wrote:
Depenods of where you live.
And nuclear power.

Nuclear power? That's the power that Greenpeace and other environmentalists hate with a vengeance.


Sadly some people have irrational fears towards it.
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Postby Sociobiology » Sat Feb 28, 2015 9:41 pm

Iwassoclose wrote:Its going to be tough but man kind will adapt to its climate. The whole water level rising is going to take 100-200 years to see major effects.


wrong it is showing effects now, they are just going to get worse.
Good to see ethnocentrism is still going strong.

In this time we can improve our infrastructure and our defenses around our coastal cities and population centers. We can easily prepare for extreme weathers as well. Hotter summers, colder winters,wetter spring. These can all be easily overcome.
define easily, because it sound like terraforming Mars would be "easy" to you.
and your argument is still worthless because we could more easily not create the problem in the first place. Its like saying don't buy a safety valve, they cost a few hundred and it only costs a few million to clean up a spill.

Human ingenuity will not stop working.


we will however still be bound by resources, and global climate change reduces some major resources.

Weather modification technologies such as cloud seeding, lasers and so many more to control the extreme weathers are ALREADY in use and continue to be developed. Just imagine how far these technologies will reach in 10, 20, 50 years from now.


they will not be to the point we can change major weather patterns or stop hurricanes.

Human infrastructure such as damns and dikes to stop flooding.

which often only make it worse.

Redirecting water from population centers by moving the drainage somewhere else.

so you don't understand how drainage works?

Most of these infrastructure projects take less then a decade to build (i.e. Netherlands) add maybe another five for planning. But it is easily doable.

source that major seawalls take less than a decade to plan and make.



For droughts, we already have the technology to produce the purest of waters.

at extreme cost and only on the coasts.

One US aircraft produces millions of gallons by itself. We can also build the infrastructure to move the water across entire continents. As proven by our ability to build millions of kilometers of pipeline for the oil and gas industry.

no we actually can't, oil and gas are moved in minuscule amounts compared to the amount of water we are talking about, and is only cost effective because they can charge very high prices. when water costs as much as gasoline most of modern civilization falls apart. civilization only works because few people can produce enough food to feed many people at low cost.
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