Lithuania to reintroduce conscription

[Lytenburgh]

Da, Comrade.

Кремлёвский полк тебе товарищ.

[Shofercia]

Russia's fault.

What? That Lithuania decided to adopt a useless (but, possibly a lifewrekning) law? Gee, how convenint! In past it was "Devil forced me", now it is "Russia's fault"!

Of course. It's Russia's fault be default!

What? That Lithuania decided to adopt a useless (but, possibly a lifewrekning) law? Gee, how convenint! In past it was "Devil forced me", now it is "Russia's fault"!

It's a completely reasonable policy to adopt when your neighbor is invading countries left and right.

So when's Canada adopting one?

Yes - exactly. No matter what, no matter how they try - they are still screwed. This is just a reality they had to live with.



When the times... to what? Invade Byelarus for "ancestral Lithuanian lands"?

The point isn't to repulse the invaders, its to try and prevent them from gaining ground and fortifying themselves. Just long enough for reinforcements from other countries (NATO) to come and help. And they will come. As they are part of a coalition, their contribution adds to the greater whole. That means a small amount of troops from every country is still a shit ton of soldiers.

See Ukraine.

How are 3,500 conscripts going to hold against a tank division?

If the EU would create a unified military already this kind of shit wouldn't be necessary.

It'd be more effective if the EU stopped sanctioning countries, but if an EU member state was attacked - complete trade cut off. Now that would be a fucking effective deterrent.

Good for them. A pity it's only for five years for now, but it's still a step in the right direction.

Have you seen the map? Russia is hardly a "neghbor" for Lithuania.

And what about "invading countries left and right"? Russia for the last 20 years had more peaceful and non-interventional foreign policy then the US.

Or, what - you want to tell us about all those countless and totally innocent countries that Russia "invaded left in right"?

Have you seen a map? Lithuania shares a border with Russia. That is what is generally referred to as being neighbours.

Ah yes, those peaceful russian 20 years. Tajikistan Civil war, First Chechen war, Dagestan War, second Chechen War, Georgian war, Ukraine...

You do realize that those who hit US on 9/11, and those who hit Russia in Dagestan, are very similar groups, right? Seriously, blaming Russia for the Dagestan War has got to be one of the most... fuck it, it's like saying "Bush did 9/11!"

Not that most of your other examples are any better...

[Busen]

I for one fail to see how 3500-7000 conscripts could improve its defense capabilities. The reintroduction of cinscription, OTOH, opens all passible ways for corrupt officials to capitalise on it (just look at the Ukraine right now and the rising rate of bribes required to "buy" yourself a right dignosis to dodge the military service). I for one won't be surprised, if after adoption of this initiative Lithuanians would (re)join the international brotherhood of draft-dodgers.

The only draft dodgers that would be in Lithuania is probably the Russian minority there which would yell how opressed they are because they have to serve the millitary.

Secondly, why is Russia so scared of little Lithuania introducing conscription? It is not its business in first place.

[Shofercia]

I for one fail to see how 3500-7000 conscripts could improve its defense capabilities. The reintroduction of cinscription, OTOH, opens all passible ways for corrupt officials to capitalise on it (just look at the Ukraine right now and the rising rate of bribes required to "buy" yourself a right dignosis to dodge the military service). I for one won't be surprised, if after adoption of this initiative Lithuanians would (re)join the international brotherhood of draft-dodgers.

The only draft dodgers that would be in Lithuania is probably the Russian minority there which would yell how opressed they are because they have to serve the millitary.

Secondly, why is Russia so scared of little Lithuania introducing conscription? It is not its business in first place.

Who said that Russia's scared?

[Lytenburgh]

The only draft dodgers that would be in Lithuania is probably the Russian minority there which would yell how opressed they are because they have to serve the millitary.

Because they are [insert appropriate racial characterisation of Russians that Hitler and Bandera were fond of]? Right, Buse?

Secondly, why is Russia so scared of little Lithuania introducing conscription? It is not its business in first place.

Russia is not scared. Russia is loling every time Baltics cry "Wolf!"

[Eastern Equestria]

Great Britain is a geographic term, not a political one.

The United Kingdom. Now, for feck's sake, are you bloody satisfied, mate?

Aye, my Eurasian tovarisch.

[Lytenburgh]

The United Kingdom. Now, for feck's sake, are you bloody satisfied, mate?

Aye, my Eurasian tovarisch.

Брянский полк тебе товарищ

[Busen]

Because they are [insert appropriate racial characterisation of Russians that Hitler and Bandera were fond of]? Right, Buse?

No, it is because it is under their "honor to learn the langauge of the filthy baltic subhuman. They are so ebul to not respects the Russian white Slavic male priveleges that they had in the glorious USSR. And now, for god sakes they have to serve the millitary of Baltics subhumans? OMG!!"

Russia is not scared. Russia is loling every time Baltics cry "Wolf!"

Actually Lyt, seeing your reactions in your posts in this thread one can easily that you have some complex of the Baltics. I guess it is because thoose states are far successfull states than Russia which seems to look the Russians as some losers.

Not to mention how Lithuania is better off now than during the USSR. Jeez, Lyt this seems to look as if Russians have always been uncapable leaders.

[Busen]

Who said that Russia's scared?

If it is not scared why Lyt, who is Russian far-rightist opens such a OP that pretty obsious shows his complexes toward the Baltics?

[Shofercia]

Russia is not scared. Russia is loling every time Baltics cry "Wolf!"

Actually Lyt, seeing your reactions in your posts in this thread one can easily that you have some complex of the Baltics. I guess it is because thoose states are far successfull states than Russia which seems to look the Russians as some losers.

Not to mention how Lithuania is better off now than during the USSR. Jeez, Lyt this seems to look as if Russians have always been uncapable leaders.

Instead of responding to what Lyt actually says, you opted to make faulty claims. Lithuanians and Russians have different metrics of success, so rest assured, as Russians, we don't look towards the Baltics and say, "oh noes, we have failed!" We simply don't. There might be some Russians that do, but most don't consider a demographic failure to be a success.

[Iwassoclose]

How are 3,500 conscripts going to hold against a tank division?

3,500 conscripts annually
15,000 active
80,000 reserve
300 NATO troops

Plus I believe NATO has an air base near the capital.

[Occupied Deutschland]

How are 3,500 conscripts going to hold against a tank division?

You see, ever since the advent of the modern vehicle of armored warfare colloquially referred to as the 'tank' in the latter days of WWI, countries the world over have designed various methods of confronting such vehicles. The most ubiquitous is, of course, confronting such vehicles with similar vehicles armed with heavier or otherwise more powerful cannons, colloquially referred to as 'tank-destroyers' (although this particular role was later absorbed into the general tank category itself as it became less necessary). But this was not, by any means, the only way that was devised for such a purpose as artillery pieces, as well as rockets or bombs dropped or fired by aircraft or helicopters, were worked into the purpose. Hell, eventually the United States would just go back, in spirit, to the spirit of the anti-tank rifle by sticking a really big gatling cannon in an aircraft.

But what was REALLY desired by countries was a man-portable anti-tank system of some kind. Because, after all, tanks and artillery couldn't be everywhere, right? But if there were some kind of small explosive and/or penetrative weapon that could be carried by one, or at most two soldiers, well that'd be just dandy wouldn't it? Nazi Germany and the US made possibly the most well-known contributions to this effort initially with their inventions of, respectively, the panzerschreck/faust and the 'bazooka'. Followed by the Soviet RPG-2, and subsequent designs along the same, or similar, routes.

Today, there is a veritable smorgasbord of man-portable anti-tank weaponry available. Lithuania's particular situation has the Javelin missile launcher, the AT4 missile launcher, and the Carl Gustav recoilless rifle as its man-portable anti-tank weaponry of choice. Such weaponry is in standard-issue to the Lithuanian Armed Forces, and one presumes that future conscripts would not, for some reason, be nixed from the issuance of such weaponry.

Of course, typically military strategies center around such forces being supported by other anti-tank options as well in order to be most effective over the most area. Which automatically brings in the various airborne and alternative land-based anti-tank options open to Lithuania through the other coordinated portions of its armed forces, as well as from NATO.

[Napkiraly]

It's a completely reasonable policy to adopt when your neighbor is invading countries left and right.

1)So when's Canada adopting one?


2)How are 3,500 conscripts going to hold against a tank division?

1) Difference being that a) Canada doesn't see the USA as a security threat b) the US invasion of Iraq was based on a completely different reasoning, one that is far more understandable and sympathetic than Russia's excuse.

2) That's per year, and I dunno, same way 720 Polish soldiers with two anti-tanks guns held off 42000 German troops with 350 tanks for three days. Luck, training, fortifications, etc. Plus, they'd be assisted by NATO's VJTF.

[Busen]

Instead of responding to what Lyt actually says, you opted to make faulty claims. Lithuanians and Russians have different metrics of success, so rest assured, as Russians, we don't look towards the Baltics and say, "oh noes, we have failed!" We simply don't. There might be some Russians that do, but most don't consider a demographic failure to be a success.

Demography, really? Russia lost more population in the past 20 years x times more than the Batics have population.

Also, there is a fact that they lost the population because the Russians from there decided to settle in Russia, effectivly making the percentage of the native Estonian/Lithuanian/Latvian population higher. You know in 50 years the Baltic population will learn only from history books about the Russians that used to inhabit their countries (just like they do with the once Baltic German population), especially when the Russians population is older than the Baltic one.

But there is an other issue. The Baltics do not need a father figure autocrat to be successful and democratic, something that Russians look as if they are incapable (seeing how all democratic experiments in Russia results into civil war and economic collapse).

[Myrensis]

In light of an agressive neighbour which doesn't much care for notions like 'national sovereignity', having a few symbolic gestures and better preparations could come in handy.

Yeah, totally random actions done by Russia! Really!

Whyle NATO's newst members reaction looks more like "Screw you and if you say saomething I GONNA TELL MY MAAAAAAM!"

No, Russias actions in the Ukraine pretty much totally justified all the worries of the Baltics, and confirmed that they were absolutely right to get under the NATO umbrella while Russia was still too busy recovering internally to start pushing them around for the sake of soothing its bruised ego.

[Earl of Sandwich IV]

Mandatory military service for a year ot two is generally a good idea. It makes teens into men.

[United States of Natan]

Why isn't Israel on the list of nations with conscription? Last I checked, it did, in fact, have conscription.

[The Northumbrian Republic]

Why isn't Israel on the list of nations with conscription? Last I checked, it did, in fact, have conscription.

What about Switzerland?

[Immoren]

Why isn't Israel on the list of nations with conscription? Last I checked, it did, in fact, have conscription.

Neither is Finland there
Maybe they are trying to tell something.

[Ainin]

Why isn't Israel on the list of nations with conscription? Last I checked, it did, in fact, have conscription.

That's a list of European nations.

Israel is an Asian nation.

[Immoren]

Why isn't Israel on the list of nations with conscription? Last I checked, it did, in fact, have conscription.

That's a list of European nations.

Israel is an Asian nation.

Finlan confirmed for mongols.
;-:

[Costa Fierro]

That's a list of European nations.

Israel is an Asian nation.

Finlan confirmed for mongols.
;-:

UNLEASH THE KHAN!

[Lytenburgh]

Actually Lyt, seeing your reactions in your posts in this thread one can easily that you have some complex of the Baltics. I guess it is because thoose states are far successfull states than Russia which seems to look the Russians as some losers.

Not to mention how Lithuania is better off now than during the USSR. Jeez, Lyt this seems to look as if Russians have always been uncapable leaders.

Baltic states are dying out and lots of people are leaving them altogether - this is a fact. I don't envy them - I pity them.

[West Aurelia]

I assume that the "countries with military conscription" section is referring to European countries, because there are far more countries worldwide.

Anyway, this is just an overreaction (just like the Lithuanian manual on how to survive an invasion). Russia wouldn't attack Lithuania, because of, you know.

[Lytenburgh]

Yeah, totally random actions done by Russia! Really!

Whyle NATO's newst members reaction looks more like "Screw you and if you say saomething I GONNA TELL MY MAAAAAAM!"

No, Russias actions in the Ukraine pretty much totally justified all the worries of the Baltics, and confirmed that they were absolutely right to get under the NATO umbrella while Russia was still too busy recovering internally to start pushing them around for the sake of soothing its bruised ego.

Wrong - by getting "under NATO umbrella" they only got a self-fulfilling prophesy of "Russia being pissed".