Lithuania to reintroduce conscription

[Fartsniffage]

It was the second world war, as well you know. It took a bit of time for the good guys to get into gear and slap down Germany.

Thankfully, these days we would just be able to concentrate on one unpleasant government in the European sphere.

The Great Britain?

Would to care to re-phrase that question into one that's understandable? It can be taken in two really rather different ways.

[Geilinor]

I don't support conscription, but it's their choice.

[Argentarino]

1. Ukraine (by annexing Crimea and its involvement in the Donbass region)
2. Georgia in 2008

2) Georgia invaded a de-facto independent state with peacekeepers from both Russia and Georgia, killing those peacekeepers in the process and breaking the ceasefire that ended the South Ossetian War for independence.

2) And Russia's precious South Ossetian fighters shelled Georgian villagers on the evening of August 7th, despite President Saakashvili's announcement that his government would enter into a unilateral ceasefire.

[Benian Republic]

Well at least the Lithuanians will try...

[United Marxist Nations]

Again, there, Russia can actually supply those things. All of the Russian-minority and majority areas of Lithuania are nowhere where Russia could give them the goods.

Not all of them - Klaipeda is near the Russian border. And all the other risk areas are on the border with Belarus which is currently host to 1500 Russian military personnel.

Belarus has also been an opponent of Russian action Donbass, and has brokered all of the ceasefires thus far.

[Valaran]

It was the second world war, as well you know. It took a bit of time for the good guys to get into gear and slap down Germany.

Thankfully, these days we would just be able to concentrate on one unpleasant government in the European sphere.

The Great Britain?

Well, we are Great. And we do it without taking other nation's lands now, unlike a certain bear wrestling leader....

[United Marxist Nations]

2) Georgia invaded a de-facto independent state with peacekeepers from both Russia and Georgia, killing those peacekeepers in the process and breaking the ceasefire that ended the South Ossetian War for independence.

2) And Russia's precious South Ossetian fighters shelled Georgian villagers on the evening of August 7th, despite President Saakashvili's announcement that his government would enter into a unilateral ceasefire.

Which would justify return fire, not invasion of South Ossetia, killing the Joint Peacekeeping Force (which included both Russian and Georgian troops) established by the Sochi Agreement, and then in the annexation of South Ossetia.

[Fartsniffage]

2) And Russia's precious South Ossetian fighters shelled Georgian villagers on the evening of August 7th, despite President Saakashvili's announcement that his government would enter into a unilateral ceasefire.

Which would justify return fire, not invasion of South Ossetia, killing the Joint Peacekeeping Force (which included both Russian and Georgian troops) established by the Sochi Agreement, and then in the annexation of South Ossetia.

How does one annex an area internationally recognised as a part of the nation?

[Lytenburgh]

Well, we are Great. And we do it without taking other nation's lands now

Oh, golly! What a relief!

unlike a certain bear wrestling leader....

Who?

[United Marxist Nations]

Which would justify return fire, not invasion of South Ossetia, killing the Joint Peacekeeping Force (which included both Russian and Georgian troops) established by the Sochi Agreement, and then in the annexation of South Ossetia.

How does one annex an area internationally recognised as a part of the nation?

It was not a part of Georgia, it had been independent for nearly 20 years at that point. An invasion followed by the forceful incorporation into territory is an annexation.

[Valaran]

Well, we are Great. And we do it without taking other nation's lands now

Oh, golly! What a relief!

unlike a certain bear wrestling leader....

Who?

I'd leave the fair denizens of NSG to guess.

[Dr Freud]

Not all of them - Klaipeda is near the Russian border. And all the other risk areas are on the border with Belarus which is currently host to 1500 Russian military personnel.

Belarus has also been an opponent of Russian action Donbass, and has brokered all of the ceasefires thus far.

I think you mean the current government of Belarus has done these things. Governments tend not to be eternal.

[Geilinor]

How does one annex an area internationally recognised as a part of the nation?

It was not a part of Georgia, it had been independent for nearly 20 years at that point. An invasion followed by the forceful incorporation into territory is an annexation.

All of that was de facto. Legally, it was always part of Georgia.

[Fartsniffage]

How does one annex an area internationally recognised as a part of the nation?

It was not a part of Georgia, it had been independent for nearly 20 years at that point. An invasion followed by the forceful incorporation into territory is an annexation.

Independent as recognised by who?

[United Marxist Nations]

It was not a part of Georgia, it had been independent for nearly 20 years at that point. An invasion followed by the forceful incorporation into territory is an annexation.

Independent as recognised by who?

De facto, Georgia did when it signed the Sochi Agreement following South Ossetian victory in its War for independence:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991%E2%80 ... ssetia_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sochi_agre ... _agreement

[United Marxist Nations]

It was not a part of Georgia, it had been independent for nearly 20 years at that point. An invasion followed by the forceful incorporation into territory is an annexation.

All of that was de facto. Legally, it was always part of Georgia.

Not under the Sochi Agreement.

[United Marxist Nations]

I will have to continue this argument later, goodnight.

[Fartsniffage]

Independent as recognised by who?

De facto, Georgia did when it signed the Sochi Agreement following South Ossetian victory in its War for independence:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991%E2%80 ... ssetia_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sochi_agre ... _agreement

So not de jure......which would be needed for an accusation of annexation.

[Argentarino]

Independent as recognised by who?

De facto, Georgia did when it signed the Sochi Agreement following South Ossetian victory in its War for independence:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991%E2%80 ... ssetia_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sochi_agre ... _agreement

Your own link says the following:

The Agreement also created a Joint Control Commission and a peacekeeping body, the Joint Peacekeeping Forces group (JPKF). The JPKF was put under Russian command and was composed of peacekeepers from Georgia, Russia, and North Ossetia (as the separatist South Ossetian government was still unrecognized; South Ossetian peacekeepers, however, served in the North Ossetian contingent).

Unrecognized. It is still not an independent nation, but rather, under the occupation of Russian forces. It is not recognized by the United Nations nor even a slight majority of the international community. Only Russia and a handful (five or six "governments") recognize it.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Right, and I'm the Supreme Grand Master of the Illuminati

I don't fucking care who you claim you are. Care to answer the whole phrase here? Like, you and others really like to calle me "ultranationalist" - care to answer for your words for once? Or You will just cover behind your supposedly "funny" jokes once again?

You're one of the most extremely nationalistic people I've ever seen on NSG, everything about you screams ultranationalist. I've never once seen you say anything Russia does is wrong, you deny Russian involvement in Ukraine even when you're shown evidence, you label people who oppose the Russian government Russophobes, when a nation near Russia wants to get closer with the West you scream about ebul NATO etc. Hate to break it to you, but the reason everyone calls you an ultranationalist is because that's exactly what you seem like.

[Eastern Equestria]

It was the second world war, as well you know. It took a bit of time for the good guys to get into gear and slap down Germany.

Thankfully, these days we would just be able to concentrate on one unpleasant government in the European sphere.

The Great Britain?

Great Britain is a geographic term, not a political one.

[Lytenburgh]

You're one of the most extremely nationalistic people I've ever seen on NSG, everything about you screams ultranationalist.

Examples, please. Or, better yet, provide us all with your own version of "ultranationalist" because it looks like we are understanding something different by it. Like, I can't remembre when I claimed that Russians are uber-nation, or some other nation is "inferior".

I've never once seen you say anything Russia does is wrong

Your problem, not mine,

you deny Russian involvement in Ukraine

No, I ask for some irrefutable proofs that caould stand international scrutiny in, say UNSC.

even when you're shown evidence, you label people who oppose the Russian government Russophobes

No, when I shown something that the opposing side calims is a a proof, I usually laugh. Besiedes, c'mon - don't pretend there are no Russophobes here on NSG some of whom you know very well.

when a nation near Russia wants to get closer with the West you scream about ebul NATO etc.

Where was that? Quotes, links, etc - or I won't take this serious.

Hate to break it to you, but the reason everyone calls you an ultranationalist

No, just you, Esturia and... Roski, i guess?

is because that's exactly what you seem like.

And I still wait for some real proofs.

[Lytenburgh]

The Great Britain?

Great Britain is a geographic term, not a political one.

The United Kingdom. Now, for feck's sake, are you bloody satisfied, mate?

[Uawc]

In general, I support conscription of both genders not for the purpose of increasing a military's size, but to educate and strengthen a populace.

However, within most modern military contexts, I'm against it, as conscripts will undoubtedly be sent to die for unethical causes.

In Lithuania's context, even with the sources provided in this thread, I still don't feel that I'm educated enough on this specific issue to properly opine, so I'll remain neutral.

[The balkens]

Great Britain is a geographic term, not a political one.

The United Kingdom. Now, for feck's sake, are you bloody satisfied, mate?

Da, Comrade.