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Do you support the reintroduction of conscription in Lithuania?

Yes, I support the reintroduction of conscription in Lithuania
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No, I don't support the reintroduction of conscription in Lithuania
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:40 pm

Truly this is proof of the Russophobic Fascists ultimate plan to destroy Glorious Innocent Mother Russia™©®. I guess the Poor Oppressed Soon To Be Massacred Russians™ will have no choice but to form local self defense forces and join the glorious motherland.

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Postby Lytenburgh » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:42 pm

The balkens wrote:
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Do you know how much it took Red Army to take all Chechoslovakia and Prague in 1968?


Against a civil uprising?

Totally not the same as going up against a military force, for fucks sake, lytt.


"civil uprising"? What a charming turn of phrase, the Balkens! I take it you don't know much about Chechoslovacian rebellion of 1968, do you? You, probaly, imagine something along Zep Brannigans "Conquest of Hippies' Planet in Ghandi's Galaxi", right?
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:42 pm

Lytenburgh wrote:
Cyrisnia wrote:How many minutes will it take General Lyt to invade Lithuania?


I'm not a general.

That's no way to talk about yourself, Lytt; the sky is the limit! If you believe, you will achieve! :p

Okay, so my motivational speaking days are done.
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Postby Insaeldor » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:43 pm

I don't support it as I've never supported conscription but I can understand why the Lithuanian government wants to reimplement it. Given the geopolitical situation its completly reasonable to be fearful of Russian or Russian backed aggression in the Baltic States. While this may never happen the idea of better safe then sorry comes into play with this.
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Postby Little Sealand » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:43 pm

Lytenburgh wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:One it is designed to defend against.
Likely, a Russian opposing force.


Wait a minute, - you are seriously thinking that Lithuanian regiments could "oppose" Russian army for "a few days"? Because, and I have to quote you:

it is designed to defend against [it]


What?!

Yes, they have good equipment, and if they are trained correctly, they can halt or slow a Russian advance for a few days. Plus they know the land, the cities, and have the ability to fight guerrilla warfare.
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Postby Lytenburgh » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:44 pm

Little Sealand wrote:1 and 2.) Sarcastic, just meant to say that a smaller military force has held off much larger forces before, it's not impossible.


Only if situation favors them. Only then.

Little Sealand wrote:3.) around a thousand? But I doubt Putin would start a war with NATO, invading Lithuania would almost undoubtly bring NATO intervention


Finally! An excellent question here, people! Then why did Lithuania need conscription?

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:45 pm

Little Sealand wrote:
Lytenburgh wrote:
Wait a minute, - you are seriously thinking that Lithuanian regiments could "oppose" Russian army for "a few days"? Because, and I have to quote you:



What?!

Yes, they have good equipment, and if they are trained correctly, they can halt or slow a Russian advance for a few days. Plus they know the land, the cities, and have the ability to fight guerrilla warfare.

They don't have a single tank, sparse artillery, and some anti-tank weaponry.
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Postby The balkens » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:46 pm

Lytenburgh wrote:
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Against a civil uprising?

Totally not the same as going up against a military force, for fucks sake, lytt.


"civl uprinsing"? What a charming turn of phrase, the Balkens! I take it you don't know much about Chechoslovacian rebellion of 1968, do you? You, probaly, imagine something along Zep Brannigans "Conquest of Hippies' Planet in Ghandi's Galaxi", right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pac ... hoslovakia

Doesnt look like the Czechoslovak military was engaged, seeing as 108 civilians died.

Then again "Democratization" was probably a big no no, right? Silly Czechs.

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Postby Uncle Vladimir » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:46 pm

Lytenburgh wrote:
Little Sealand wrote:1 and 2.) Sarcastic, just meant to say that a smaller military force has held off much larger forces before, it's not impossible.


Only if situation favors them. Only then.

Little Sealand wrote:3.) around a thousand? But I doubt Putin would start a war with NATO, invading Lithuania would almost undoubtly bring NATO intervention


Finally! An excellent question here, people! Then why did Lithuania need conscription?

because maybe they want to rely on themselves to defend their own nation instead of having to rely entirely on NATO

it's a crazy idea that seems so foreign to you
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Postby Lytenburgh » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:47 pm

Little Sealand wrote:Yes, they have good equipment, and if they are trained correctly, they can halt or slow a Russian advance for a few days. Plus they know the land, the cities, and have the ability to fight guerrilla warfare.


:rofl:

Hours. Mere hours at best. Do you even know the real number of Lithuanian military?

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Postby Insaeldor » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:48 pm

Little Sealand wrote:
Lytenburgh wrote:
Wait a minute, - you are seriously thinking that Lithuanian regiments could "oppose" Russian army for "a few days"? Because, and I have to quote you:



What?!

Yes, they have good equipment, and if they are trained correctly, they can halt or slow a Russian advance for a few days. Plus they know the land, the cities, and have the ability to fight guerrilla warfare.

I'm doubtful that the Russian will be stopped by the Lithuanian Army or the Russian would assault a NATO country to start with. If a Russian assault were to happen it most likely be haunted or slowed by a unified NATO military presence. And again it would depend on where the invasion was situated. I doubt Belarus would be a willing participant in an attack on NATO even if they are a Russian lapdog and I doubt Kaliningrad is the optimal statistic staging point for such an attack.
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Postby Lytenburgh » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:49 pm

Uncle Vladimir wrote:because maybe they want to rely on themselves to defend their own nation instead of having to rely entirely on NATO

it's a crazy idea that seems so foreign to you


The harsh reality called. She says: "No, they can't. Ever."

Lithiuania's popuations is 4 times lesser then Moscow's. Their military would be meglibile no matter what.

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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:49 pm

The balkens wrote:
Lytenburgh wrote:
"civl uprinsing"? What a charming turn of phrase, the Balkens! I take it you don't know much about Chechoslovacian rebellion of 1968, do you? You, probaly, imagine something along Zep Brannigans "Conquest of Hippies' Planet in Ghandi's Galaxi", right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pac ... hoslovakia

Doesnt look like the Czechoslovak military was engaged, seeing as 108 civilians died.

Then again "Democratization" was probably a big no no, right? Silly Czechs.

You don't understand, Balk. Glorious Soviet defenders of the People's Liberty(Inc.) and Justice(TM) had to crush a vicious and terroristic coup-by-democracy intent on ethnically cleansing all the Russians of the world and seperating Czechoslovakian policy away from the Right and Proper(C) path towards Communism and Brotherhood their moral superiors in the USSR were spearheading!
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Postby Little Sealand » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:49 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Little Sealand wrote:Yes, they have good equipment, and if they are trained correctly, they can halt or slow a Russian advance for a few days. Plus they know the land, the cities, and have the ability to fight guerrilla warfare.

They don't have a single tank, sparse artillery, and some anti-tank weaponry

They have good infantry AT weapons, and they have several tracked mortars, heavy artillery I think is non-existent there.

Lytenburgh wrote:
Little Sealand wrote:1 and 2.) Sarcastic, just meant to say that a smaller military force has held off much larger forces before, it's not impossible.


Only if situation favors them. Only then.

Little Sealand wrote:3.) around a thousand? But I doubt Putin would start a war with NATO, invading Lithuania would almost undoubtly bring NATO intervention


Finally! An excellent question here, people! Then why did Lithuania need conscription?


If Lithuania didn't have an army, and only 1,000 NATO troops defended it, it would be a lot more appetizing to invade. Then why does Russia also need conscription?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:49 pm

The balkens wrote:
Lytenburgh wrote:
"civl uprinsing"? What a charming turn of phrase, the Balkens! I take it you don't know much about Chechoslovacian rebellion of 1968, do you? You, probaly, imagine something along Zep Brannigans "Conquest of Hippies' Planet in Ghandi's Galaxi", right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pac ... hoslovakia

Doesnt look like the Czechoslovak military was engaged, seeing as 108 civilians died.

Then again "Democratization" was probably a big no no, right? Silly Czechs.


Silly Czechs indeed, you don't need to go your own way when you have Glorious Free Totally Not Your Overlord USSR™.

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Postby Uncle Vladimir » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:50 pm

Lytenburgh wrote:
Uncle Vladimir wrote:because maybe they want to rely on themselves to defend their own nation instead of having to rely entirely on NATO

it's a crazy idea that seems so foreign to you


The harsh reality called. She says: "No, they can't. Ever."

Lithiuania's popuations is 4 times lesser then Moscow's. Their military would be meglibile no matter what.

Then big boy Poland arrives

then the rest of NATO

seems like that "neglibile" military is on the side of "kicking your ass"
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Postby The balkens » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:51 pm

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The balkens wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pac ... hoslovakia

Doesnt look like the Czechoslovak military was engaged, seeing as 108 civilians died.

Then again "Democratization" was probably a big no no, right? Silly Czechs.

You don't understand, Balk. Glorious Soviet defenders of the People's Liberty(Inc.) and Justice(TM) had to crush a vicious and terroristic coup-by-democracy intent on ethnically cleansing all the Russians of the world and seperating Czechoslovakian policy away from the Right and Proper(C) path towards Communism and Brotherhood their moral superiors in the USSR were spearheading!


Quite.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:52 pm

Occupied Deutschland wrote:
The balkens wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pac ... hoslovakia

Doesnt look like the Czechoslovak military was engaged, seeing as 108 civilians died.

Then again "Democratization" was probably a big no no, right? Silly Czechs.

You don't understand, Balk. Glorious Soviet defenders of the People's Liberty(Inc.) and Justice(TM) had to crush a vicious and terroristic coup-by-democracy intent on ethnically cleansing all the Russians of the world and seperating Czechoslovakian policy away from the Right and Proper(C) path towards Communism and Brotherhood their moral superiors in the USSR were spearheading!

Considering that Lytt was only using a military example, wouldn't this essentially just be baiting?
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Postby Seraven » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:52 pm

I am not really in support of conscription.

But for a small country within the range of Russia's military invasion (unlikely at the future), it's an acceptable decision.
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Postby Little Sealand » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:52 pm

Uncle Vladimir wrote:
Lytenburgh wrote:
The harsh reality called. She says: "No, they can't. Ever."

Lithiuania's popuations is 4 times lesser then Moscow's. Their military would be meglibile no matter what.

Then big boy Poland arrives

then the rest of NATO

seems like that "neglibile" military is on the side of "kicking your ass"

This post.. I like it.....
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Postby Insaeldor » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:52 pm

Uncle Vladimir wrote:
Lytenburgh wrote:
The harsh reality called. She says: "No, they can't. Ever."

Lithiuania's popuations is 4 times lesser then Moscow's. Their military would be meglibile no matter what.

Then big boy Poland arrives

then the rest of NATO

seems like that "neglibile" military is on the side of "kicking your ass"

I would call Poland "big boy" they definetly have one of the better armies of the WP turned NATO nation but it's still be a collected effort. And again it depend of where this hypothetical assault was launched.
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Postby Uncle Vladimir » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:54 pm

Insaeldor wrote:
Uncle Vladimir wrote:Then big boy Poland arrives

then the rest of NATO

seems like that "neglibile" military is on the side of "kicking your ass"

I would call Poland "big boy" they definetly have one of the better armies of the WP turned NATO nation but it's still be a collected effort. And again it depend of where this hypothetical assault was launched.

It won't, but if it did Lithuania would survive long enough for Polska and friends to come in and say "bye-bye Russian army"
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Postby Dain II Ironfoot » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:54 pm

I don't support it nor do i even understand it. Lithuania knows it has nothing to fear, its a member of the EU for christ sake. Russia isn't going to invade anything that is part of the EU.
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Postby Little Sealand » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:55 pm

Besides, even if in a global war, where Lithuania was conquered and there was a war between Russia vs NATO, the remainder of the Lithuanain army would be a nice asset, since they'd be more likely willing to fight to get back their homeland, and since they have knowledge of the general area and would be heavily useful in liberating Lithuania.
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:55 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Occupied Deutschland wrote:You don't understand, Balk. Glorious Soviet defenders of the People's Liberty(Inc.) and Justice(TM) had to crush a vicious and terroristic coup-by-democracy intent on ethnically cleansing all the Russians of the world and seperating Czechoslovakian policy away from the Right and Proper(C) path towards Communism and Brotherhood their moral superiors in the USSR were spearheading!

Considering that Lytt was only using a military example, wouldn't this essentially just be baiting?

Not really, it's making fun of the example as presented (since Czechoslovakia put up no military resistance, making it a rather useless comparison point for a military invasion of Lithuania from the start, even ignoring the change in setting, time period, situation, and nations involved).
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