Lithuania to reintroduce conscription

[Communist Volkstrad]

How is it different?

How is it not? Forced to do something=/=slavery. Or does paying taxes mean you are a slave, hm?

In what sense is it different?

Neither a Conscript nor a slave has freedom of movement. Both have severe limitations to free expression. Both can be killed for running away. Both will be punished if they refuse to do what they're told.

I'm not seeing a lot of difference.

As I've already said it numerous times in this very thread, the conscript is not property.

Okay.
So.
Do they have the freedom to leave whenever they so choose? To quit when they so choose?
Taxes are different. You have to pay some money to the state, but they don't force you to go somewhere against your will, to fight and maybe die.

[Cyrisnia]

You can expect NATO fighters in the air within minutes with more assets being diverted to the forward bases shortly.

Unless you think NATO won't intervene unless you put up some kind of a fight,

not fighting and just letting NATO's soldiers do all of the early work in liberating you is not too bad of a play.

You can pretend to go along with Russia and keep your forces hidden. Then when NATO intervenes, you suddenly jump in and coordinate with them, taking the Russians by surprise.

Apologies, IM, but I doubt you're a good military strategist.

[Little Sealand]

Russia has also stepped up military snap drills near the Baltic states. In 2014, over 40 Russian military vessels were sighted in Lithuanian water, compared to one in 2010. NATO jets are often scrambled to intercept Russian jets in the area as well. The conscription could buy more time for other forces to arrive. Or it could result in more deaths.

http://www.newsweek.com/russian-snap-mi ... tal-308752

[Lytenburgh]

Have you seen a map? Lithuania shares a border with Russia. That is what is generally referred to as being neighbours.

And just how many army divisions are here in Kaliningrad?

Ah yes, those peaceful russian 20 years. Tajikistan Civil war, First Chechen war, Dagestan War, second Chechen War, Georgian war, Ukraine...

Ah yes, those warmongering Russians: acting as peace keeprs in Tajikistan (pretty much doing this to this day - and Tadjisk are actually happy with that), fighting off radical islamists invasion on their territory and then striking back at their nest, retaliating at Georgia's massacring of Russian peacekeepers and... uhm, sorry, when was the time the Ukraine declared war on Russia?

[Jetan]

How is it not? Forced to do something=/=slavery. Or does paying taxes mean you are a slave, hm?


As I've already said it numerous times in this very thread, the conscript is not property.

In what fucking sense? Stop goosestepping around people's arguments and actually defend your barbaric position.

In the sense that NOBODY OWNS THE CONSCRIPT. It's not rocket science!

[Uncle Vladimir]

oh no

i have to move from base to base. what a horrible breach of my civil rights.

god forbid you actually have to follow some orders to clean your area and not be a heinous shitbag also

my freedom of movement has been restricted, and I have committed no crime

what crime?

where the hell did you get committing a crime from

[Cyrisnia]

In what fucking sense? Stop goosestepping around people's arguments and actually defend your barbaric position.

In the sense that NOBODY OWNS THE CONSCRIPT. It's not rocket science!

then why are they there

[Infected Mushroom]

Unless you think NATO won't intervene unless you put up some kind of a fight,

not fighting and just letting NATO's soldiers do all of the early work in liberating you is not too bad of a play.

You can pretend to go along with Russia and keep your forces hidden. Then when NATO intervenes, you suddenly jump in and coordinate with them, taking the Russians by surprise.

Apologies, IM, but I doubt you're a good military strategist.

I'm thinking in terms of court intrigue. It's all hypothetical of course.

But see if Lithuania immediately opposes Russia, its forces will be decimated before NATO can jump in.

If you pretend to work with Russia to take over other territories in Europe, you've got the option of switching sides later when things look better for you.

[Cyrisnia]

my freedom of movement has been restricted, and I have committed no crime

what crime?

where the hell did you get committing a crime from

IM has some...odd opinions on certain things. Suits, Dogs, Children, the socratic method, etc.

Stranger conclusions too.

[Genivaria]

If the EU would create a unified military already this kind of shit wouldn't be necessary.

Its not necessary though.

It accomplishes nothing except the violation of civil rights.

Lithuania, conscription or no conscription, can't defeat Russia in the field.

Oh yes because nations shouldn't even attempt to defend themselves.

[Infected Mushroom]

Its not necessary though.

It accomplishes nothing except the violation of civil rights.

Lithuania, conscription or no conscription, can't defeat Russia in the field.

Oh yes because nations shouldn't even attempt to defend themselves.

It depends on the situation.

[Ainin]

Apologies, IM, but I doubt you're a good military strategist.

I'm thinking in terms of court intrigue. It's all hypothetical of course.

But see if Lithuania immediately opposes Russia, its forces will be decimated before NATO can jump in.

If you pretend to work with Russia to take over other territories in Europe, you've got the option of switching sides later when things look better for you.

Because an understaff brigade in the middle of Russian territory will do so much.

[The balkens]

Its not necessary though.

It accomplishes nothing except the violation of civil rights.

Lithuania, conscription or no conscription, can't defeat Russia in the field.

Oh yes because nations shouldn't even attempt to defend themselves.

'bend over and prepare to be russified"

[Cyrisnia]

Apologies, IM, but I doubt you're a good military strategist.

I'm thinking in terms of court intrigue. It's all hypothetical of course.

But see if Lithuania immediately opposes Russia, its forces will be decimated before NATO can jump in.

If you pretend to work with Russia to take over other territories in Europe, you've got the option of switching sides later when things look better for you.

Geography lesson time, IM.

Lithuania borders the Baltic. Not the Mediterranean.

[Genivaria]

Oh yes because nations shouldn't even attempt to defend themselves.

It depends on the situation.

In what situation does a country not have that right?

[Scomagia]

In what fucking sense? Stop goosestepping around people's arguments and actually defend your barbaric position.

In the sense that NOBODY OWNS THE CONSCRIPT. It's not rocket science!

Why are they there, then? If they have self ownership, why have they been forced to serve in the military under the threat of imprisonment or death?

By your illogical arguments, sex slaves aren't really slaves because they aren't legally property.

[United Marxist Nations]

In what fucking sense? Stop goosestepping around people's arguments and actually defend your barbaric position.

In the sense that NOBODY OWNS THE CONSCRIPT. It's not rocket science!

If the state doesn't own them, then why do they have to forfeit their lives to the state. You could just as easily say that no one owns slaves today in countries where it is technically illegal (as they are not legally property), they still are, because if they go against their master's wishes, they are harshly punished.

[Iwassoclose]

You can expect NATO fighters in the air within minutes with more assets being diverted to the forward bases shortly.

Unless you think NATO won't intervene unless you put up some kind of a fight,

not fighting and just letting NATO's soldiers do all of the early work in liberating you is not too bad of a play.

You can pretend to go along with Russia and keep your forces hidden. Then when NATO intervenes, you suddenly jump in and coordinate with them, taking the Russians by surprise.

Part of being NATO is maintaining an active force with a decent budget.

You can pretend to go along with Russia and keep your forces hidden. Then when NATO intervenes, you suddenly jump in and coordinate with them, taking the Russians by surprise.

No offense, but no. Just no.

[The balkens]

In the sense that NOBODY OWNS THE CONSCRIPT. It's not rocket science!

If the state doesn't own them, then why do they have to forfeit their lives to the state. You could just as easily say that no one owns slaves today in countries where it is technically illegal (as they are not legally property), they still are, because if they go against their master's wishes, they are harshly punished.

Didnt the Russians use conscripts?

I mean.....pot meet kittle.

[Cyrisnia]

Oh yes because nations shouldn't even attempt to defend themselves.

'bend over and prepare to be russified"

"OH! OH GOD! OH GOD YES! I'M ABOUT TO...I'M ABOUT TO.....
"

[The balkens]

'bend over and prepare to be russified"

"OH! OH GOD! OH GOD YES! I'M ABOUT TO...I'M ABOUT TO.....
"

Brilliant!

Good movie too.

[Infected Mushroom]

It depends on the situation.

In what situation does a country not have that right?

The right? According to who?

Rights are irrelevant.

Its about whether or not its strategic for you to fight or not.

[Little Sealand]

If you pretend to work with Russia to take over other territories in Europe, you've got the option of switching sides later when things look better for you.

Romania did this during WW2, worked out well for them, but I doubt it wouldn't have repercussions after today.

[United Marxist Nations]

If the state doesn't own them, then why do they have to forfeit their lives to the state. You could just as easily say that no one owns slaves today in countries where it is technically illegal (as they are not legally property), they still are, because if they go against their master's wishes, they are harshly punished.

Didnt the Russians use conscripts?

I mean.....pot meet kittle.

And I criticize them for it too.

[Cyrisnia]

In what situation does a country not have that right?

The right? According to who?

Rights are irrelevant.

Its about whether or not its strategic for you to fight or not.

There will always be some sort of sense of honor in defending your home, IM.

Do you honestly think theres a country out there (besides the Vatican) that won't go down without a fight?