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Postby Kubra » Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:56 pm

how about communism as the new communism
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Postby Khorsun » Wed Feb 25, 2015 1:51 pm

Tsuken wrote:I feel things like a Universal Basic Income might be a new "communism". Whether we agree about the effectiveness of it or not, I, in my own personal experiences, have experienced people recoiling from the idea of a UBI in a similar fashion to the way people recoil from ideas like communism or socialism. It might be just because I am talking with people of older generations. In my experiences, things like UBI have been described as an over-idealistic view of welfare.


UBI isn't out to remake the image and structure of society, which is what usually scares people away from ideologies, which do entail doing that. Which necessitates sweeping away the old order by force, which involves lots of people dying, things on fire, etc.
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Postby Neo-Chicago » Wed Feb 25, 2015 1:53 pm

Religious Extremism, no doubt. By the way, I don't get why libertarians are so unpopular.
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Postby Tsuken » Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:09 pm

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Tsuken wrote:I feel things like a Universal Basic Income might be a new "communism". Whether we agree about the effectiveness of it or not, I, in my own personal experiences, have experienced people recoiling from the idea of a UBI in a similar fashion to the way people recoil from ideas like communism or socialism. It might be just because I am talking with people of older generations. In my experiences, things like UBI have been described as an over-idealistic view of welfare.


UBI isn't out to remake the image and structure of society, which is what usually scares people away from ideologies, which do entail doing that. Which necessitates sweeping away the old order by force, which involves lots of people dying, things on fire, etc.

I see what you're saying. I think UBI might not be such a crazy idea now or for people of younger generations, but every older person I have talked to about UBI has responded as if it would dismantle society or bring out the worst things about humanity in everyone. I'm not saying you are wrong. UBI is not as radical as communistic or anarchistic ideas. I was just trying to say that those around me have responded to things like UBI in a way reminiscent of people reacting to some radical reconstruction of society like communism.
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Postby Archegnum » Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:23 pm

Either Islam or Putinism.
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Postby Trotskylvania » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:47 pm

Communism is the next communism.

It is, by its very nature, the antithesis of the capitalist order. No other social system can challenge capitalism in toto; ideologies like Islamism or technocracy only challenge the prevailing neoliberal, Western oriented global capitalist order.

Rather than get caught on a detour that will lead us to nowhere, I'm hoping that we go straight to Capitalism vs. Communism, Round two.

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Postby Burleson 2 » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:49 pm

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Postby Steamtopia » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:49 pm

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Postby Arkiasis » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:51 pm

Burleson 2 wrote:Islam


That's a religion... :meh: I'll refrain from saying anything else, even though I want to.
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Postby Hollorous » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:34 pm

Trotskylvania wrote:Communism is the next communism.

It is, by its very nature, the antithesis of the capitalist order. No other social system can challenge capitalism in toto; ideologies like Islamism or technocracy only challenge the prevailing neoliberal, Western oriented global capitalist order.

Rather than get caught on a detour that will lead us to nowhere, I'm hoping that we go straight to Capitalism vs. Communism, Round two.

In this boxing match, any hitting below the belt must be for the sake of the cause.


Of course. A good enough jab in the groin will turn it red. 8)

Here's the thing. Would a new global economic system emerge without a severe catastrophe of some kind? Something on the level of an epidemic, a destructive world war, a total system collapse of some kind, etc... I don't see a new system asserting itself peacefully. Even if it did, it would probably face a French Revolution type scenario where the powers that be seek to nip it in the bud immediately.

Then again, it's over two hundred years later and the globe is covered with democratic republics, so who knows?

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Postby Whiteshore » Thu Feb 26, 2015 3:47 am

Maybe radical environmentalism combined with populist rhetoric could be the next "communism"?
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Postby Yuketobaniac » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:41 pm

Archegnum wrote:Either Islam or Putinism.

Putinism...hm, thats a new one
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Postby Jute » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:43 pm

Whiteshore wrote:For the majority of the 20th century, the main rival to capitalist democracy was communism and it's call for a world revolution by workers and peasants. In the 21st century, what ideology could fulfil the role of Communism in that it provides a credible alternative to capitalist democracy and (preferably) wage a "Second Cold War" against the main capitalist democratic power(doesn't have to be the US)? Could a revival of Technocracy be the next "Communism"? Maybe radical environmentalism combined with populism could be a possible contender?

When I read the title, I thought you meant "What will be the next big failed ideology?". In that case, I'd argue for laissez-faire capitalistic politics, since this were most likely the ones causing the global financial crisis.
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Postby Bolnoa » Fri Feb 27, 2015 2:45 pm

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