What ideology is the next "Communism"?

[Whiteshore]

My opinion on the idea of Islamism being the next Communism is that it wouldn't as it doesn't provide a credible alternative to Capitalist Democracy and would probably be stamped out like Fascism before it.

[MERIZoC]

Islam isn't an ideology.

[Khorsun]

Islamism has no appeal to those who aren't Muslim.

Communism had a universal appeal since it appeals to the downtrodden - and in any roomful of people anywhere in the world of any class or social status or level of wealth, you take a tally of those people in the room and half or more of them will feel oppressed and downtrodden by something.

[Khorsun]

Islam isn't an ideology.

Islam is a religion; a religion and an ideology for all practical purposes are the same thing. Some believe there is a deep, meaningful difference over whether an ideology includes ghost stories, superstitions, and creation myths in its worldview or not. But there isn't.

[Constantinopolis]

I am hoping that communism will be the next "communism". Let's have a rematch.

Obviously it would have to be a new and somewhat different version of it, of course.

[Blakullar]

I'm hedging my bets on either Islamism or Chinese-style market socialism.

[Constantinopolis]

Islamism has no appeal to those who aren't Muslim.

Communism had a universal appeal since it appeals to the downtrodden - and in any roomful of people anywhere in the world of any class or social status or level of wealth, you take a tally of those people in the room and half or more of them will feel oppressed and downtrodden by something.

This is a very important point.

Any ideology that hopes to be able to challenge global capitalism must be an ideology that has universal appeal. It can't be based on one religion, or on the nationalism of a particular nation or region.

That's also why China doesn't have anything that can challenge global capitalism, for example. Having abandoned communism, China doesn't have anything with universal appeal any more. The idea of Chinese national greatness (the de facto current ideology of the Chinese government) isn't going to inspire anyone who isn't Chinese.

[The States of Balloon]

Communism.

[Berkhamsted]

I am hoping that communism will be the next "communism". Let's have a rematch.

Yeah, I second this

[The States of Balloon]

I am hoping that communism will be the next "communism". Let's have a rematch.

Yeah, I second this

I third it.

[Sensual Boy by Klaus]

"Racism"

[Shigiel]

Yeah, I second this

I third it.

I fourth it.

Though the "communism" of China, the USSR, Yugoslavia and all the other capitalist régimes posing as communist is dead, and it's not coming back.

[Khorsun]

Yeah, I second this

I third it.

I'll dissent. The sequel to a lousy original rarely turns out better.

[Neo Rome Republic]

Islamism could be seen as that sort of rival/opponent of the Western world. With Salafists groups talk of a "Global Caliphate".

[Constantinopolis]

I third it.

I'll dissent. The sequel to a lousy original rarely turns out better.

Nonsense. Everyone agrees The Empire Strikes Back was the best of the Star Wars movies.

[Khorsun]

I'll dissent. The sequel to a lousy original rarely turns out better.

Nonsense. Everyone agrees The Empire Strikes Back was the best of the Star Wars movies.

Think more Attack of the Clones following the Phantom Menace.

[Shigiel]

I'll dissent. The sequel to a lousy original rarely turns out better.

Nonsense. Everyone agrees The Empire Strikes Back was the best of the Star Wars movies.

Oh my gosh, so much this.

And I don't think any of us are blind enough to be suggesting a system like that of the 20th century communist countries (apart from possibly the USSR at the beginning).

[Hladgos]

I'm not sure, but I do know that we need a badguy to make real life more interesting. Nothing gets done if we don't have someone to defeat.

[Constantinopolis]

Nonsense. Everyone agrees The Empire Strikes Back was the best of the Star Wars movies.

Think more Attack of the Clones following the Phantom Menace.

Attack of the Clones was still light-years better than Phantom Menace. More Yoda dueling, less Jar-Jar. Vast improvement.

Nonsense. Everyone agrees The Empire Strikes Back was the best of the Star Wars movies.

Oh my gosh, so much this.

And I don't think any of us are blind enough to be suggesting a system like that of the 20th century communist countries (apart from possibly the USSR at the beginning).

Of course not. But we can learn much from that past experience - including good lessons about how to build a planned economy - even though we should obviously not attempt to outright copy anything.

[Dejanic]

It doesn't really have a name, but I guess you could loosely call it authoritarian corporate/state Capitalism, a heavily state influenced corporate society which lacks liberal democracy. The Hungarian leader referred to it as "illiberal Democracy". Russia and China are two good examples, with Russia following the more corporate influenced one and China the state influenced one.

[Constantinopolis]

It doesn't really have a name, but I guess you could loosely call it authoritarian corporate/state Capitalism, a heavily state influenced corporate society which lacks liberal democracy. The Hungarian leader referred to it as "illiberal Democracy". Russia and China are two good examples, with Russia following the more corporate influenced one and China the state influenced one.

That's a type of system that seems to be on the rise in various countries around the world, yes, but it has no ideology to go along with it. The very fact that it doesn't have a name speaks volumes. There is no international movement advocating it. People don't even vote for it, specifically. They vote for individual charismatic leaders, who end up introducing it. Or previously-existing dictatorships switch to it (like in the case of China).

A system that doesn't have a name, doesn't have an ideology, and doesn't have some kind of social or political movement advocating it, can never go very far.

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Obamaism

[Yuketobaniac]

There won't be any. The age of ideology is dead.

[Yuketobaniac]

Islam isn't an ideology.

Yep, just like The united states ideoligy isn't Mcdonalds

[Tsuken]

I feel things like a Universal Basic Income might be a new "communism". Whether we agree about the effectiveness of it or not, I, in my own personal experiences, have experienced people recoiling from the idea of a UBI in a similar fashion to the way people recoil from ideas like communism or socialism. It might be just because I am talking with people of older generations. In my experiences, things like UBI have been described as an over-idealistic view of welfare.