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What ideology is the next "Communism"?

Postby Whiteshore » Wed Feb 25, 2015 1:55 am

For the majority of the 20th century, the main rival to capitalist democracy was communism and it's call for a world revolution by workers and peasants. In the 21st century, what ideology could fulfil the role of Communism in that it provides a credible alternative to capitalist democracy and (preferably) wage a "Second Cold War" against the main capitalist democratic power(doesn't have to be the US)? Could a revival of Technocracy be the next "Communism"? Maybe radical environmentalism combined with populism could be a possible contender?
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Postby Teemant » Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:02 am

Tree huggers. And far right populists who support socialist economic policies.
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Postby National Communist Union » Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:19 am

Most likely it would just be a different form of socialism. As a Communist myself, I can tell you without a doubt that there are a vast number of different socialistic ideas and systems that could be used or created. What one must remember is that socialism or more specifically Marxist Socialism is also a form of political analysis that one can use to created a "unique" socialist system for ones own circumstances. We must also remember the difference between Eastern Communism and Western Communism. Eastern Communism is not based around democratic principles (this goes direct directly against what Marx considered essential for socialism) while Western Communism or Eurocommunism is based around democratic principal. 21st century Communism would be nothing like (I hope) 20th century Communism. We are in a much better position today to bring about Communism then we were almost a century ago. Hopefully 21st Communism will have a large environmental conscience and fingers crossed a half descent space program. :lol:


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Postby Uawc » Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:34 am

There won't be any. The age of ideology is dead.
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Postby West Aurelia » Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:35 am

Whiteshore wrote:For the majority of the 20th century, the main rival to capitalist democracy was communism and it's call for a world revolution by workers and peasants. In the 21st century, what ideology could fulfil the role of Communism in that it provides a credible alternative to capitalist democracy and (preferably) wage a "Second Cold War" against the main capitalist democratic power(doesn't have to be the US)? Could a revival of Technocracy be the next "Communism"? Maybe radical environmentalism combined with populism could be a possible contender?


Wait... you want a second Cold War?
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Postby Whiteshore » Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:39 am

West Aurelia wrote:
Whiteshore wrote:For the majority of the 20th century, the main rival to capitalist democracy was communism and it's call for a world revolution by workers and peasants. In the 21st century, what ideology could fulfil the role of Communism in that it provides a credible alternative to capitalist democracy and (preferably) wage a "Second Cold War" against the main capitalist democratic power(doesn't have to be the US)? Could a revival of Technocracy be the next "Communism"? Maybe radical environmentalism combined with populism could be a possible contender?


Wait... you want a second Cold War?

It's an optional requirement, not a mandatory one.
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Postby Master Shake » Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:41 am

Anything ultra liberal....
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Postby West Aurelia » Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:42 am

Whiteshore wrote:
West Aurelia wrote:
Wait... you want a second Cold War?

It's an optional requirement, not a mandatory one.


You said "preferably" wage a second Cold War, indicating that you would prefer it over not having one.
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Capitalism will make an enemy out of just about anyone to turn away attention from the inherent failure of the capitalist system.
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Teemant wrote:Tree huggers.


What is this, 1998?
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Postby Alsheb » Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:43 am

West Aurelia wrote:
Whiteshore wrote:For the majority of the 20th century, the main rival to capitalist democracy was communism and it's call for a world revolution by workers and peasants. In the 21st century, what ideology could fulfil the role of Communism in that it provides a credible alternative to capitalist democracy and (preferably) wage a "Second Cold War" against the main capitalist democratic power(doesn't have to be the US)? Could a revival of Technocracy be the next "Communism"? Maybe radical environmentalism combined with populism could be a possible contender?


Wait... you want a second Cold War?


Anything is better than capitalist hegemony on a global scale.
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Postby Whiteshore » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:05 am

What do you think of the idea of somebody combining technocracy with populist rhetoric?
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Postby Khorsun » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:07 am

Whiteshore wrote:What do you think of the idea of somebody combining technocracy with populist rhetoric?


That's called 'effective governance.' The trick is in the execution, though. Many try and few pull it off.
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Postby Hanchu » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:41 am

West Aurelia wrote:
Whiteshore wrote:For the majority of the 20th century, the main rival to capitalist democracy was communism and it's call for a world revolution by workers and peasants. In the 21st century, what ideology could fulfil the role of Communism in that it provides a credible alternative to capitalist democracy and (preferably) wage a "Second Cold War" against the main capitalist democratic power(doesn't have to be the US)? Could a revival of Technocracy be the next "Communism"? Maybe radical environmentalism combined with populism could be a possible contender?


Wait... you want a second Cold War?

No third , we are already in the second one

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Postby Oranje Nassau » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:41 am

Islam is seen as the new communism by some people.

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Postby New Werpland » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:58 am

Religion will be the major starter of conflict in the 21st century. We already got through our ideological stage of development and settled on liberal capitalist democracy.
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Postby Khorsun » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:09 am

You can see it coming together: independence from the US and the international system, anti-globalization, cultural traditionalism, protectionist economics, closed borders and restricted immigration. Lot of parties taking off in Europe on platforms along these lines, lots of governments in developed Asia and in the Third World too starting to move in that direction. Independence from the US and the international system is the one common factor here, hence it's likely to remain a loose opposition.

That is the largest trend of the opposition out there to the globalist, capitalist progressive regime. Still in the formative stages though. Vladimir Putin's Russia being the premier emergent power in this camp. See also Viktor Orban, el-Sisi, Syriza, the National Front, Modi, China under Xi Jinping, the Bolivarian Left of South America, Iran, Thailand under Army rule, Podemos in Spain, the Five Star Movement in Italy, the Sweden Democrats, UKIP, etc.
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Postby Wizlandia » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:13 am

Developing countries seemed to be becoming more capitalist (China, India, South-East Asian Region, African Continent), though Europe (and maybe the US, but not so much) is becoming more socialist. However, in recent years there has been an extreme growth in populism (mostly from the politically right-wing).

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Postby Wizlandia » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:17 am

I also think that we are generally seeing the increase in social freedoms through more tolerance (LGBT rights as an example), yet are losing many more social freedoms in the name of protection against oneself (proposals for a fat-tax, war on drugs still going on) and anti-discrimination (anti-hate laws are an example).
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Postby Whiteshore » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:22 am

Khorsun wrote:You can see it coming together: independence from the US and the international system, anti-globalization, cultural traditionalism, protectionist economics, closed borders and restricted immigration. Lot of parties taking off in Europe on platforms along these lines, lots of governments in developed Asia and in the Third World too starting to move in that direction. Independence from the US and the international system is the one common factor here, hence it's likely to remain a loose opposition.

That is the largest trend of the opposition out there to the globalist, capitalist progressive regime. Still in the formative stages though. Vladimir Putin's Russia being the premier emergent power in this camp. See also Viktor Orban, el-Sisi, Syriza, the National Front, Modi, China under Xi Jinping, the Bolivarian Left of South America, Iran, Thailand under Army rule, Podemos in Spain, the Five Star Movement in Italy, the Sweden Democrats, UKIP, etc.

You also forgot authoritarian populism as a possible portion of the next "communism".
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Postby Whiteshore » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:24 am

Oranje Nassau wrote:Islam is seen as the new communism by some people.

Islamism would probably be crushed like Fascism before it.
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Postby Khorsun » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:27 am

Whiteshore wrote:
Khorsun wrote:You can see it coming together: independence from the US and the international system, anti-globalization, cultural traditionalism, protectionist economics, closed borders and restricted immigration. Lot of parties taking off in Europe on platforms along these lines, lots of governments in developed Asia and in the Third World too starting to move in that direction. Independence from the US and the international system is the one common factor here, hence it's likely to remain a loose opposition.

That is the largest trend of the opposition out there to the globalist, capitalist progressive regime. Still in the formative stages though. Vladimir Putin's Russia being the premier emergent power in this camp. See also Viktor Orban, el-Sisi, Syriza, the National Front, Modi, China under Xi Jinping, the Bolivarian Left of South America, Iran, Thailand under Army rule, Podemos in Spain, the Five Star Movement in Italy, the Sweden Democrats, UKIP, etc.

You also forgot authoritarian populism as a possible portion of the next "communism".


Didn't forget it, think I just described much of it.
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Postby Khorsun » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:57 am

New Werpland wrote:this :)


No.

Notice how libertarians are a trend only in the US, and even then a weak one?

The rest of the world is onto a different game, one that actually has a chance of gaining power.
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