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Postby Constantinopolis » Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:41 am

Eh, this is a non-issue. The UK has Christianity as a national religion, and most people there aren't even Christian, and don't particularly care what the national religion is.
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Postby Western-Ukraine » Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:43 am

The Wolven League wrote:
Western-Ukraine wrote:And most of the atheists in the US are communists, yes? Just what is your source to that claim? Your mother?

You clearly have not seen American TV, talked with Americans, or viewed American Internet.


The nation is dominated by violent and pious Christians, and it's truly sad to see religion oppressed.

Personal claims and own opinions aside do you have any real statistics or research on that?
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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:43 am

Western-Ukraine wrote:
Dyakovo wrote: :rofl:
Sorry to not live up to your stupid stereotype, but I would not be in favor of banning religion.

Did I say that you were in favour of banning religion? Check again.

You very strongly implied it. Along with implying I'm a Communist.
Both extremely stupid (and baseless) implications.
Not everyone Who thinks your opinions are stupid favor banning religion, are Communist or have Communist sympathies (or Communist friends).
I am, by far the most left-wing of my friends and I am not even remotely Communist.
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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:43 am

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Bezkoshtovnya wrote:And I just gave you the specifics of why your support is ill-conceived.

Maybe not ill-conceived but not true to the constitution. You are right on the point that it would violate the constitution.

But it is ill-conceived to believe such a revision has any chance of passing in both houses and getting the support of 3/4 of the states.
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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:45 am

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The Wolven League wrote:Sure. Anyone of any faith can be violent and disgusting.


But (most of) the Christians in the US are violent and disgusting, my mother was a Christian and literally said any non-Christians were evil demons and I should hate them all.

And most of the atheists in the US are communists, yes?

:rofl:
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Postby Western-Ukraine » Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:46 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Western-Ukraine wrote:Did I say that you were in favour of banning religion? Check again.

You very strongly implied it. Along with implying I'm a Communist.
Both extremely stupid (and baseless) implications.
Not everyone Who thinks your opinions are stupid favor banning religion, are Communist or have Communist sympathies (or Communist friends).
I am, by far the most left-wing of my friends and I am not even remotely Communist.

I didn't claim that you were communist. No problem.
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Postby Knockturn Alley » Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:46 am

Murkwood wrote:
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um, no not exactly...it would mean that public schools would have Bible learning compulsory, mandatory minimum attendance in churches and would directly and deliberately promote bias towards Christian groups in any office or position.

England, Norway, Denmark, and Iceland beg to differ.


Norway Denmark and Iceland barely have religious communities, Iceland is among the top 10 atheist countries in the world, and neither of those countries have the same level of diversity as USA...plus they don't have the "Republicans"...UK is a different issue, they have relatively the same level of diversity as the United States, and which is why you will remember the UK have a whole history of racism and bias in modern times(I believe I saw a thread called "Ukippers" recently), remember the famous "ting-tong" incident and the refusal of colored drivers in taxi service (there was also a thread on that here), so yep IMO there is definitely a small subtle level of bias against non-whites and non-christian citizens.

So yep promoting a state religion would be a lot more than symbolic I think
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Postby Jaselvania » Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:46 am

The Wolven League wrote:
Western-Ukraine wrote:And most of the atheists in the US are communists, yes? Just what is your source to that claim? Your mother?

You clearly have not seen American TV, talked with Americans, or viewed American Internet.


The nation is dominated by violent and pious Christians, and it's truly sad to see religion oppressed.


Yes, those violent Christians, with their frequent beheadings and burning people alive stuff! And their treatment of women! Recruiting and selling them as sex slaves for their holy war is just disgusting! http://www.clarionproject.org/news/isis-issues-orders-mosul-give-over-girls-sex-jihad
Not to mention their threats to throw gays off of the leaning tower of Pizza http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2963229/ISIS-vow-Rome-throw-homosexuals-leaning-tower-PIZZA.html

We really should do something about these violent Christians, right!?

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Postby Western-Ukraine » Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:47 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Western-Ukraine wrote:And most of the atheists in the US are communists, yes?

:rofl:
No.

You can likely see that this was intended as sarcasm. Taking a sentence out of context is not very proper especially when you use it to twist the meaning.
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Postby Gauthier » Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:47 am

Knockturn Alley wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
exactly.


um, no not exactly...it would mean that public schools would have Bible learning compulsory, mandatory minimum attendance in churches and would directly and deliberately promote bias towards Christian groups in any office or position.


And as I pointed out, if the National Religion in question was Islam rather than some denomination of Christianity a whole lot of people would be screaming and running around like Godzilla decided to walk up onto Myrtle Beach.

The Islamic Litmus Test. You can measure the ethics of advancing a religious agenda by reading their reaction if it was Islam in the place of their favorite belief.
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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:48 am

Jaselvania wrote:
The Wolven League wrote:You clearly have not seen American TV, talked with Americans, or viewed American Internet.


The nation is dominated by violent and pious Christians, and it's truly sad to see religion oppressed.


Yes, those violent Christians, with their frequent beheadings and burning people alive stuff! And their treatment of women! Recruiting and selling them as sex slaves for their holy war is just disgusting! http://www.clarionproject.org/news/isis-issues-orders-mosul-give-over-girls-sex-jihad
Not to mention their threats to throw gays off of the leaning tower of Pizza http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2963229/ISIS-vow-Rome-throw-homosexuals-leaning-tower-PIZZA.html

We really should do something about these violent Christians, right!?

Giving examples of violence in other religions does not somehow equate to no Christians being violent or that we shouldn't do anything about it.
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Postby Knockturn Alley » Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:48 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Western-Ukraine wrote:Did I say that you were in favour of banning religion? Check again.

You very strongly implied it. Along with implying I'm a Communist.
Both extremely stupid (and baseless) implications.
Not everyone Who thinks your opinions are stupid favor banning religion, are Communist or have Communist sympathies (or Communist friends).
I am, by far the most left-wing of my friends and I am not even remotely Communist.


Suddenly your sig makes sense :p (the latter part at least)
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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:48 am

The Wolven League wrote:
Western-Ukraine wrote:And most of the atheists in the US are communists, yes? Just what is your source to that claim? Your mother?

You clearly have not seen American TV, talked with Americans, or viewed American Internet.


The nation is dominated by violent and pious Christians, and it's truly sad to see religion oppressed.

No, it isn't.
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Postby Desperate Measures » Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:51 am

Jaselvania wrote:
The Wolven League wrote:You clearly have not seen American TV, talked with Americans, or viewed American Internet.


The nation is dominated by violent and pious Christians, and it's truly sad to see religion oppressed.


Yes, those violent Christians, with their frequent beheadings and burning people alive stuff! And their treatment of women! Recruiting and selling them as sex slaves for their holy war is just disgusting! http://www.clarionproject.org/news/isis-issues-orders-mosul-give-over-girls-sex-jihad
Not to mention their threats to throw gays off of the leaning tower of Pizza http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2963229/ISIS-vow-Rome-throw-homosexuals-leaning-tower-PIZZA.html

We really should do something about these violent Christians, right!?

The tower of pizza honestly isn't that high.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:51 am

Constantinopolis wrote:Eh, this is a non-issue. The UK has Christianity as a national religion, and most people there aren't even Christian, and don't particularly care what the national religion is.

Whereas in the US they don't have a national religion and attempts are regularly made to enforce the tenets of their Christian faith on all people. Is there any reason to believe that adopting a Christian religion would bring about a more British attitude towards religion among Americans? I'm not aware of one.
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Postby Jaselvania » Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:52 am

Bezkoshtovnya wrote:
Jaselvania wrote:
Yes, those violent Christians, with their frequent beheadings and burning people alive stuff! And their treatment of women! Recruiting and selling them as sex slaves for their holy war is just disgusting! http://www.clarionproject.org/news/isis-issues-orders-mosul-give-over-girls-sex-jihad
Not to mention their threats to throw gays off of the leaning tower of Pizza http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2963229/ISIS-vow-Rome-throw-homosexuals-leaning-tower-PIZZA.html

We really should do something about these violent Christians, right!?

Giving examples of violence in other religions does not somehow equate to no Christians being violent or that we shouldn't do anything about it.


No, but I'm providing examples of a violent religion, right now and today, that by comparison should make the claim that "The nation is dominated by violent and pious Christians, and it's truly sad to see religion oppressed" seem like the freaking joke that is.

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Postby Jaselvania » Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:54 am

Desperate Measures wrote:
Jaselvania wrote:
Yes, those violent Christians, with their frequent beheadings and burning people alive stuff! And their treatment of women! Recruiting and selling them as sex slaves for their holy war is just disgusting! http://www.clarionproject.org/news/isis-issues-orders-mosul-give-over-girls-sex-jihad
Not to mention their threats to throw gays off of the leaning tower of Pizza http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2963229/ISIS-vow-Rome-throw-homosexuals-leaning-tower-PIZZA.html

We really should do something about these violent Christians, right!?

The tower of pizza honestly isn't that high.


:lol2: Sometimes I'd make a tower of Pizza in college, they could get pretty high by 3am

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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:56 am

Western-Ukraine wrote:
Dyakovo wrote: :rofl:
No.

You can likely see that this was intended as sarcasm. Taking a sentence out of context is not very proper especially when you use it to twist the meaning.

I recognized it as yet another stupid thing you apparently believe.
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Postby Western-Ukraine » Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:58 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Western-Ukraine wrote:You can likely see that this was intended as sarcasm. Taking a sentence out of context is not very proper especially when you use it to twist the meaning.

I recognized it as yet another stupid thing you apparently believe.

But I don't claim anywhere that I believe in that. I don't generalize as much as most of the left-wingers here do.
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Postby Big Jim P » Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:00 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Western-Ukraine wrote:And most of the atheists in the US are communists, yes?

:rofl:
No.


I know I'm damn sure not a communist.
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Postby Duff Dynasty » Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:00 am

Western-Ukraine wrote:
The Wolven League wrote:You clearly have not seen American TV, talked with Americans, or viewed American Internet.


The nation is dominated by violent and pious Christians, and it's truly sad to see religion oppressed.

Personal claims and own opinions aside do you have any real statistics or research on that?


Oh and you think that the Ukraine is a great place to live? There is a war in your country you slob. You cant trash talk a country better than your own.

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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:00 am

Western-Ukraine wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:I recognized it as yet another stupid thing you apparently believe.

But I don't claim anywhere that I believe in that. I don't generalize as much as most of the left-wingers here do.

The irony.
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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:00 am

Desperate Measures wrote:
Jaselvania wrote:
Yes, those violent Christians, with their frequent beheadings and burning people alive stuff! And their treatment of women! Recruiting and selling them as sex slaves for their holy war is just disgusting! http://www.clarionproject.org/news/isis-issues-orders-mosul-give-over-girls-sex-jihad
Not to mention their threats to throw gays off of the leaning tower of Pizza http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2963229/ISIS-vow-Rome-throw-homosexuals-leaning-tower-PIZZA.html

We really should do something about these violent Christians, right!?

The tower of pizza honestly isn't that high.

My bad.... I keep eating it.
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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:02 am

Duff Dynasty wrote:
Western-Ukraine wrote:Personal claims and own opinions aside do you have any real statistics or research on that?


Oh and you think that the Ukraine is a great place to live? There is a war in your country you slob. You cant trash talk a country better than your own.

Yes he can. And he wasn't even the one "trash talking" the US in the first place.
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Postby Western-Ukraine » Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:02 am

Duff Dynasty wrote:
Western-Ukraine wrote:Personal claims and own opinions aside do you have any real statistics or research on that?


Oh and you think that the Ukraine is a great place to live? There is a war in your country you slob. You cant trash talk a country better than your own.

And what makes you think that I live in Ukraine? How do you know?
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