57% Of Republicans Want Christianity As National Religion

[Nerotysia]

Yes. And those virtues are in no way Christian.

Then you must know very little of Christianity. Or otherwise lack understanding of it.

Mhmm. Care to elaborate?

[Atlanticatia]

An interesting article full of statistics on religion in the US:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/gov ... andom_2_na

The least religious state is Oregon at 37% having no religion. The most religious is Mississippi. The least religious areas are New England and the West Coast, predictably. New England has the lowest rate of religious service attendance. Only 17% of Vermonters attended church weekly, compared to 51% of Utahans.

Protestants have also lost their majority status in the country - now only making up 47% of the country. 43% of Tennesseans are White Evangelical Protestants, while just 5% of New Jerseyans are. The most heavily Jewish states are NJ & NY, both 6% of the population in each. 3% of New Jerseyans are Hindu.

I think this shows how diverse America is, and why it'd be foolish to have Christianity as a national religion. America is becoming less religious, and out of those that are religious, less and less are Christian, and even more-so, less and less are Protestant.

[Kan Po]

If republicans get to heaven when they die there are a lot of camels that have gone through a lot of needles.

That is beautiful. P.S. nice flag

[Kan Po]

So that morality can't die in a nation.

People are inherently moral whether they have a religion or not. A laundry list of do's and don't's doesn't help anyone, except people who can't think for themselves.

I see where your argument is coming from, and I absolutely think it would be an abomination to impose any national religion on anyone, but I think following a religion (not necessarily Christianity) that tries to tell you a way to live your life that will bring peace and happiness does not make you weak willed. That's not to say you can't be moral without being religious, because you can. Now, Christianity has been used time and again to overthrow both the peace and happiness of millions of individuals, and I'm not advocating that, but I am saying I don't think it's fair to think less of a person for trying to do something if they think it will make them happier/more at peace.

[Othelos]

People are inherently moral whether they have a religion or not. A laundry list of do's and don't's doesn't help anyone, except people who can't think for themselves.

I see where your argument is coming from, and I absolutely think it would be an abomination to impose any national religion on anyone, but I think following a religion (not necessarily Christianity) that tries to tell you a way to live your life that will bring peace and happiness does not make you weak willed. That's not to say you can't be moral without being religious, because you can. Now, Christianity has been used time and again to overthrow both the peace and happiness of millions of individuals, and I'm not advocating that, but I am saying I don't think it's fair to think less of a person for trying to do something if they think it will make them happier/more at peace.

As long as they keep it to themselves and don't try to make their kids feel guilty or try to shove it down the throats of the public, then that's fine. But I do think less of people who don't critically think about what they're doing, and condemn people as immoral for doing things that don't hurt anyone because that thing happens to be labeled a sin.

[Free Sahara]

I wouldn't want the official religion of a country to be a wrong branch of Christianity...

[Murkwood]

I wouldn't want the official religion of a country to be a wrong branch of Christianity...

I'd be fine with a nebulous "Christanity", but not with a schismatic group such as the Sothern Baptists.

[Geilinor]

I wouldn't want the official religion of a country to be a wrong branch of Christianity...

"Wrong branch". See, this is why we shouldn't have an official religion. It will only divide Americans.

[Genivaria]

I wouldn't want the official religion of a country to be a wrong branch of Christianity...

I'd be fine with a nebulous "Christanity", but not with a schismatic group such as the Sothern Baptists.

Then go live in Vatican City.

[Salandriagado]

Generally speaking justices need to have well reasoned arguments and legal precedent and so on and so forth supporting their decisions, if they'd like to avoid causing general unrest and a loss of faith in the justice system and so on. It's a bit harder to question them in the situation you propose. I mean they could flip a damn coin and who'd be able to argue it was flawed?

I could. Say the 28th ammendment established Kabbalah as the national religion. The Establishment Clause would still prohibit Congress from passing any Laws that respected an establishment of religion including the national religion The 28th amendment would then simply be a formality. The National Religion would be Kabbalah in the same way the National Bird is the Eagle. It's "official" but doesn't really mean anything.

Right up until some supreme court decided to interpret your 28th amendment as rending the 1st no longer applicable to Kabbalah.

... Sorry, not following. In that situation it's very clear that the establishment clause is being violated, making the proposed 28th amendment unconstitutional as it goes against the already existing first amendment. I admit my knowledge of constitutional law is not extensive enough to say whether or not one can amend amendments, if so I'd think altering the first amendment would be required, or if not an amendment to repeal the first amendment in it's entirety, followed by another to grant congress the power to establish a national religion.

A. Yes one can alter, and/or repeal amendments. Example Amendment 21, and Amendment 18.

B. The Constitution cannot by definition be Unconstitutional. An amendment to the Constitution cannot be unconstitutional. It's not even logical.

C. The Establishment Clause would not be violated as it specifically refers to Congress making Laws. An Amendment is not a Law it is a change/addition to the Constitution.

EDIT: Even if you wanted to argue that an Amendment Violated earlier parts of the Constitution, it wouldn't matter. No court, not even the SCOTUS has the power to strike down any part of the Constitution.

It should be noted that there is one exception to (B): Any amendment that deprives a state of its equal suffrage in the senate is unconstitutional (under Article 5).

[Tarsonis Survivors]

I could. Say the 28th ammendment established Kabbalah as the national religion. The Establishment Clause would still prohibit Congress from passing any Laws that respected an establishment of religion including the national religion The 28th amendment would then simply be a formality. The National Religion would be Kabbalah in the same way the National Bird is the Eagle. It's "official" but doesn't really mean anything.

Right up until some supreme court decided to interpret your 28th amendment as rending the 1st no longer applicable to Kabbalah.

A. Yes one can alter, and/or repeal amendments. Example Amendment 21, and Amendment 18.

B. The Constitution cannot by definition be Unconstitutional. An amendment to the Constitution cannot be unconstitutional. It's not even logical.

C. The Establishment Clause would not be violated as it specifically refers to Congress making Laws. An Amendment is not a Law it is a change/addition to the Constitution.

EDIT: Even if you wanted to argue that an Amendment Violated earlier parts of the Constitution, it wouldn't matter. No court, not even the SCOTUS has the power to strike down any part of the Constitution.

It should be noted that there is one exception to (B): Any amendment that deprives a state of its equal suffrage in the senate is unconstitutional (under Article 5).

1. You'll never pack the court well enough for that ultra conservative view point.
2. True, but that begs the question, could one pass an amendment repealing that bit of the Article 5?

[Tarsonis Survivors]

I'd be fine with a nebulous "Christanity", but not with a schismatic group such as the Sothern Baptists.

Then go live in Vatican City.

Easier said than done.

[Ifreann]

Then go live in Vatican City.

Easier said than done.

See also: Amending the US Constitution so as to make Christianity the national religion.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Easier said than done.

See also: Amending the US Constitution so as to make Christianity the national religion.

Who ever implied it would be easy? I've repeatedly stressed it would never happen and even trying would just be a waste of everyone's time. That doesn't mean we can't discuss a hypothetical....

[Steamtopia]

I wouldn't want the official religion of a country to be a wrong branch of Christianity...

Speaks volumes about you.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

I wouldn't want the official religion of a country to be a wrong branch of Christianity...

Speaks volumes about you.

How so? It's kind of a shared culture that all branches of Christianity think every other branch is wrong.

[Steamtopia]

Speaks volumes about you.

How so? It's kind of a shared culture that all branches of Christianity think every other branch is wrong.

Not so much what I was getting at. It's the displeasure with it only being a wrong branch of Christianity that bugs me.

[Benuty]

I'd be fine with a nebulous "Christanity", but not with a schismatic group such as the Sothern Baptists.

Then go live in Vatican City.

That's a bit vague, besides you can only live there under special circumstances. Of-course not sure if they even have enough passports to even give Murkwood one.

[Tekania]

I had no idea Dominionism was that prevalent in the right..... scares the shit out of me.

[Salandriagado]

Right up until some supreme court decided to interpret your 28th amendment as rending the 1st no longer applicable to Kabbalah.




It should be noted that there is one exception to (B): Any amendment that deprives a state of its equal suffrage in the senate is unconstitutional (under Article 5).

1. You'll never pack the court well enough for that ultra conservative view point.

Never say never, and all that. The whole point of having half this stuff in the constitution is to act in case of extremists getting into power, after all.

2. True, but that begs the question, could one pass an amendment repealing that bit of the Article 5?

Yes, yes you could. Which is one of the sillier bits of constitution design going.

[Scomagia]

An interesting article full of statistics on religion in the US:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/gov ... andom_2_na

The least religious state is Oregon at 37% having no religion. The most religious is Mississippi. The least religious areas are New England and the West Coast, predictably. New England has the lowest rate of religious service attendance. Only 17% of Vermonters attended church weekly, compared to 51% of Utahans.

Protestants have also lost their majority status in the country - now only making up 47% of the country. 43% of Tennesseans are White Evangelical Protestants, while just 5% of New Jerseyans are. The most heavily Jewish states are NJ & NY, both 6% of the population in each. 3% of New Jerseyans are Hindu.

I think this shows how diverse America is, and why it'd be foolish to have Christianity as a national religion. America is becoming less religious, and out of those that are religious, less and less are Christian, and even more-so, less and less are Protestant.

Woohoo! Oregon number one!

[Nerotysia]

An interesting article full of statistics on religion in the US:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/gov ... andom_2_na

The least religious state is Oregon at 37% having no religion. The most religious is Mississippi. The least religious areas are New England and the West Coast, predictably. New England has the lowest rate of religious service attendance. Only 17% of Vermonters attended church weekly, compared to 51% of Utahans.

Protestants have also lost their majority status in the country - now only making up 47% of the country. 43% of Tennesseans are White Evangelical Protestants, while just 5% of New Jerseyans are. The most heavily Jewish states are NJ & NY, both 6% of the population in each. 3% of New Jerseyans are Hindu.

I think this shows how diverse America is, and why it'd be foolish to have Christianity as a national religion. America is becoming less religious, and out of those that are religious, less and less are Christian, and even more-so, less and less are Protestant.

Woohoo! Oregon number one!

Shush, sexy jesus. Oregon is irrelevant even if it is the best state ever.

[Zimnaya Zemlya]

Who cares? We have more important problems than to decide whether or not to say that we have a national religion.

[Catholic Federalized States]

I'm in support, as long as it's Catholicism.

Besides, the Democrats break plenty of constitution bills, it's only fair the Republicans do too.

[Nerotysia]

I'm in support, as long as it's Catholicism.

Besides, the Democrats break plenty of constitution bills, it's only fair the Republicans do too.

Which parts of the Constitution have the Democrats violated so extremely?

Also, you're argument boils down to; "well he killed that man so I can kill people too!" I other words, stupid.