The North Korea Discussion Thread

[Hanchu]

I wonder how many pro Kim people on this site would move to north Korea if given the chance

Some apparently. I hope they enjoy.

They might enjoy it for a few days before they get sent to a concentration camp for being subversive.

I wonder how many pro Kim people on this site would move to north Korea if given the chance

None. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemies. Okay, maybe some of them.

I disagree , I think a few would , but most wouldnt because of little things like the language barrier

[Geilinor]

Anyone else remember the NSG poster who said he went to North Korea? I think it was Dokuritsu NIppon or something.

[Hanchu]

Anyone else remember the NSG poster who said he went to North Korea?

Yes , everyone thought he got arrested while touring there

[Scepez]

Some apparently. I hope they enjoy.

They might enjoy it for a few days before they get sent to a concentration camp for being subversive.

None. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemies. Okay, maybe some of them.

I disagree , I think a few would , but most wouldnt because of little things like the language barrier

It's like voluntarly going to Zimbabwe. Why would you do that?

[Hanchu]

They might enjoy it for a few days before they get sent to a concentration camp for being subversive.

I disagree , I think a few would , but most wouldnt because of little things like the language barrier

It's like voluntarly going to Zimbabwe. Why would you do that?

Same reason there are still people Who like Stalin after the Holodomor, they see what they want to see

[Scepez]

It's like voluntarly going to Zimbabwe. Why would you do that?

Same reason there are still people Who like Stalin after the Holodomor, they see what they want to see

Yeah, and starve and likely get arrested/shot.

[Albul]

inb4 North Korea comes in...

North Korea is a joke of a nation. The worst part is their reputation of being a socialist country when they don't even mention socialism in their constitution.

[Hanchu]

Same reason there are still people Who like Stalin after the Holodomor, they see what they want to see

Yeah, and starve and likely get arrested/shot.

Ok how do I explain this .
Oh I know, I'll give you an example!
When we think of Stalin we think of mass starvation , political assasinations and people being worked to death , these people see Stalin and think of increased industrial production , a Victory over Hitler and gleaming statues

[Old Tyrannia]

When a government kidnaps citizens from another country to make movies for them...

you know you're dealing with something quite new...

Oh my God. The Kims really are basically real-life movie villains, aren't they? I bet Kim Jong-un spends his spare time sat in a large, comfortable swivel chair with lots of buttons on it and a white Persian sat in his lap, saying things like, "yesssss, my pretty, everything is going exaaaactly as I planned..."

[Scepez]

Yeah, and starve and likely get arrested/shot.

Ok how do I explain this .
Oh I know, I'll give you an example!
When we think of Stalin we think of mass starvation , political assasinations and people being worked to death , these people see Stalin and think of increased industrial production , a Victory over Hitler and gleaming statues

Even if I loved Kim, I still wouldn't move there. It's barren, restricted and of course low on food.

[Hanchu]

Ok how do I explain this .
Oh I know, I'll give you an example!
When we think of Stalin we think of mass starvation , political assasinations and people being worked to death , these people see Stalin and think of increased industrial production , a Victory over Hitler and gleaming statues

Even if I loved Kim, I still wouldn't move there. It's barren, restricted and of course low on food.

Yep , and it's korean in name only, most of the culture is the cult of Kim Il-Sung

[Puryong]

So let's summarise:
- There is no famine, that happened 25 years ago, the state now manages to provide for all of its citizens, in urban areas very well, in rural areas this is sometimes still very basic care, but nobody is starving
- The DPRK needs a nuclear deterrent and the Songun policy to ensure their sovereignty, this has been proven by the barbarity of the US imperialist foreign policy
- Penal labour, used worldwide as a form of punishment, is no different in the DPRK, it's just 'work camps' sound worse than 'Federal Prison Industries' but it's essentially the same principle, criminals repaying their debt to society by contributing to the economy
- Juche and the revolutionary spirit of the people is why the DPRK survived and the Soviet bloc fell
- The DPRK is not a dictatorship, a 'dynasty' or anything other than democratic

Great, well done.

[Puryong]

inb4 North Korea comes in...

North Korea is a joke of a nation. The worst part is their reputation of being a socialist country when they don't even mention socialism in their constitution.

Juche is a form of socialism.

[Wanderjar]

They might enjoy it for a few days before they get sent to a concentration camp for being subversive.

I disagree , I think a few would , but most wouldnt because of little things like the language barrier

It's like voluntarly going to Zimbabwe. Why would you do that?

I did. Big mistake.

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

So I found this document about North Korean prisons:
http://www.hrnk.org/uploads/pdfs/HRNK_H ... b_5-18.pdf

And here's just a portion of the testimony included in it:

The following summary shows that torture is practiced in many prisons and detention facilities:

• Shin Dong-hyuk witnessed beatings of children at his primary “school” and saw his mother subjected to “kneeling motionless” punishments in the field for failing to meet work quotas. He himself was subjected to prolonged and systematic torture, including burnings and skin piercings, in an interrogation-punishment cell within Kwan-li-so Prison Camp No. 18. Also, he was required to sit in the front row to observe the public execution of his mother and brother, and his finger was cut off at the knuckle for an accidental error during his forced labor in a textile factory in Camp 18.

• Kim Yong reported that he was beaten at the Bo-wi-bu police jail at Maram and was subjected to water torture and hung by his wrists in the Bo-wi-bu police jail at Moonsu in 1993. Both jails are located in Pyongyang. He reports that his mother was beaten severely for being late in returning from gathering edible weeds just outside the gates of Camp No. 18.

• Kang Chol-hwan reported the existence of separate “punishment cells” within Kwan-li-so No. 15, Yodok, from which few prisoners returned alive.

• An Hyuk was subjected to sleep deprivation and “sitting motionless” torture for days at a time during the year-and-a-half he was detained at the Maram Bo-wi-bu police ku-ryu-jang interrogation-detention facility in the Yongsong section of Pyongyang, prior to being deported to Camp No. 15.

• Kim Tae-jin reported that he was beaten, deprived of sleep, and made to kneel motionless for many hours at the Bo-wi-bu police detention/ interrogation facility in Chongjin in late 1998/early 1999, prior to being deported to Camp 15.

• Lee Young-kuk reported that he was subjected to motionless-kneeling and water torture and facial and shin beatings with rifle butts at a Bo-wi-bu interrogation/detention facility in Pyongyang in 1994, leaving permanent damage in one ear, double vision in one eye, and his shins permanently bruised and discolored.

• Former Prisoner # 27 had his front teeth knocked out from beatings administered at theChongjinBo-wi-bupolice office following hisrepatriation at Onsong.

• Kim Eun-chol lost teeth and has permanent scars on his head, ears, and knees from beatings with wooden staves and rifle cleaning rods at the Musan Bo-wi-bu police detention facility.

• Jung Gwang-il lost teeth and has head scars from beatings with wooden staves. He was also subjected to prolonged food deprivation and “pigeon torture” with his arms pinned behind his back and attached to cell bars in ways that made it impossible either to stand up or sit down during his detention at the Hoeryong Bo-wi-bu police interrogation-detention facility.

• Former Prisoner # 28 was beaten in the face with rulers and books at abo-wi-bupolice interrogation facility in Pyongyang. She was alsosubjected to the “kneeling motionless” torture
for days, causing her legs to swell painfully. This was alternated with being forced to do deep knee bends with her fingers outside the bars of the cell. When she could not continue the deep knee bends she was beaten on the fingers.

• Former Prisoner # 29 lost teeth to beatings while a teenage pupil at a school in Kwan-li-so Camp No. 18.

• Ahn Myong-chol, a former guard, reported that all three of the kwan-li-so at which he worked had isolated detention facilities in which many prisoners died from mistreatment, and that at Kwan-li-so No. 22 there were so many deaths by beatings from guards that the guards were told to be less violent.

• Former Prisoner # 37 was beaten at the Onsong An-jeon-bu police facility during his six month interrogation prior to being tried and sentenced to Chongo-ri kyo-hwa-so for smuggling food back and forth from China.

• Seo Jin was beaten so badly with wooden staves at the Onsong Bo-wi-bu interrogation center, and again at the Musan Bo-wi-bu interrogation
center, that she could hardly walk. After transfer to the Musan An-jeon-bu detention facility, she was beaten by younger women guards when she objected to her third vaginal examination. And she was kicked on the legs and beaten on the back by guards at the Oro Kyo-yang-so penitentiary No. 55 when she did not keep up the required pace in her prison labor.

[Puryong]

I wonder how many pro Kim people on this site would move to north Korea if given the chance

Some apparently. I hope they enjoy.

If it wasn't for stuff like family and friends and the economic state of the country I would..

[Hanchu]

Some apparently. I hope they enjoy.

If it wasn't for stuff like family and friends and the economic state of the country I would..

US?

[Geilinor]

Some apparently. I hope they enjoy.

If it wasn't for stuff like family and friends and the economic state of the country I would..

Who and what caused the economic state of the country? The Kim family and Juche.

[Wanderjar]

Some apparently. I hope they enjoy.

If it wasn't for stuff like family and friends and the economic state of the country I would..

Well with all your posts about how great the DPRK is, then why should the economic state of the country matter? Because this contradict's your previous assertions that the DPRK is just fine.

Or you're a naive young girl who's operating under the delusion that it's great, all the while enjoying the fruits of the system you espouse to hate. It's really quite comical to see.

[Hanchu]

If it wasn't for stuff like family and friends and the economic state of the country I would..

Well with all your posts about how great the DPRK is, then why should the economic state of the country matter? Because this contradict's your previous assertions that the DPRK is just fine.

Or you're a naive young girl who's operating under the delusion that it's great, all the while enjoying the fruits of the system you espouse to hate. It's really quite comical to see.

Leave her be , Lets not let this thread turn into the last one

[Berkhamsted]

I wonder how many pro Kim people on this site would move to north Korea if given the chance

The good thing is, they propably won't come back. A nation that builds a wall to stop emigration can only be a bad place to live in.

The wall you refer to was actually built by the USA and the ROK, it had nothing to do with the DPRK.

[Hanchu]

The good thing is, they propably won't come back. A nation that builds a wall to stop emigration can only be a bad place to live in.

The wall you refer to was actually built by the USA and the ROK, it had nothing to do with the DPRK.

You mean the DMZ ?

[Reddogkeno101]

inb4 North Korea comes in...

North Korea is a joke of a nation. The worst part is their reputation of being a socialist country when they don't even mention socialism in their constitution.

Juche is a form of socialism.

No it's not, it's a disgrace to all leftists alongside Stalinism and Maoism.

[Berkhamsted]

I wonder how many pro Kim people on this site would move to north Korea if given the chance

So I'm only allowed to defend the DPRK from imperialist aggression if I move there. Brilliant logic.

[Berkhamsted]

The wall you refer to was actually built by the USA and the ROK, it had nothing to do with the DPRK.

You mean the DMZ ?

No, the Korean wall.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Dem ... orean_wall