Another Falklands Thread: This Time, It'll Cost 50 Pesos

[Constaniana]

We gave up the empire and our strategic naval situation changed to reflect that.

I don't think you understand how military needs work or are assessed.

I understand how the military works, it is to be kept as sharp as possible in times of peace so that in times of war, you don't get steamrolled. This is why America keeps the largest fleet in the world, despite not having a major fleet action since WW2.

Being one of the three blue-water navies in the world, and being great friends with the other two blue-water navies sounds pretty sharp.

[Kaztropol]

Hypothetically let us say that GB gave the Falkland islands to Argentina. What is going to happen to their population? Their 2,000 esq citizens? Do they become automatically Argentinian citizens? Is Spanish going to be enforced (Like the United States did Puerto Rico once, though they enforced English instead of Spanish)?

best case: autonomous region, with legal protections of culture and language.

worst case: confiscation of all property and deportation for having dodged national service.

[Camelza]

No problem with having the Falklands on your 50 pesos bills, but that won't change the fact that Falklanders don't want to be part of Argentina and that particular move of your government is not really helping relationships between Britain and Argentina.

OK. Cameron isn't helping either.

Why, because he said that there will be no negotiations regarding the Falklands with Argentina? What's there to negotiate?

[Calimera II]

After being btfo, all he has left to offer are passive-aggressive comments.

You can build a NationStates General career out of nothing but passive-aggressive comments. Not that it is much of a career, but beggars can't be choosers. Fun fact: Cal doesn't even live in Argentina, yet he pines for the fjords of his homeland.

OK. Why did I deserve this baity-like comment? Elaborate.

[Ostroeuropa]

Yes you have. And it's wrong. Are we still running around shooting the French to own the Americas? Are we still negotiating with Indian princes to work with the East India Company? Or are you just maybe being a teensy-tiny little bit racist by going "Britain is full of evil imperialists, and I know this to be true because they're British"?

As I have said I think i know them, anyways it is a mistake to give them Falklands mark my words, they should not be given foreign bases

"Give."
"Foreign."

You keep using those words. I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

[Imperialpowersofkorea]

You know the moderators would impale us both for this right but since you started this, Now the moderators don't like this shit and I am not invoking the wrath of the gods

I'd say it's relevant.
It's evidence that genuine calls for independence and self-governance will be heeded. What did you say?
Look at the history?

You see the moderators really don't agree with this, I am doing nothing to invoke the ire of the gods

[Constaniana]

Yes you have. And it's wrong. Are we still running around shooting the French to own the Americas? Are we still negotiating with Indian princes to work with the East India Company? Or are you just maybe being a teensy-tiny little bit racist by going "Britain is full of evil imperialists, and I know this to be true because they're British"?

As I have said I think i know them, anyways it is a mistake to give them Falklands mark my words, they should not be given foreign bases

And India should not be given Mumbai. How about that?

[Jetan]

Yes you have. And it's wrong. Are we still running around shooting the French to own the Americas? Are we still negotiating with Indian princes to work with the East India Company? Or are you just maybe being a teensy-tiny little bit racist by going "Britain is full of evil imperialists, and I know this to be true because they're British"?

As I have said I think i know them, anyways it is a mistake to give them Falklands mark my words, they should not be given foreign bases

It's not foreign, it's british. It's an island group, not a base. Really now, it isn't rocket science.

[Calimera II]

It wasn't meant to be sarcastic actually. The second sentence may sounds sarcastic, but it was more meant to be "friendly" in a silly way. Whatever, I think you get the point now.

Righty-o. Apologies.

No problem. I may have been somewhat confusing.

[Imperialpowersofkorea]

You can build a NationStates General career out of nothing but passive-aggressive comments. Not that it is much of a career, but beggars can't be choosers. Fun fact: Cal doesn't even live in Argentina, yet he pines for the fjords of his homeland.

OK. Why did I deserve this baity-like comment? Elaborate.

Because you oppose Britain's imperialism but in a rather soft manner though

[Constaniana]

As I have said I think i know them, anyways it is a mistake to give them Falklands mark my words, they should not be given foreign bases

It's not foreign, it's british. It's an island group, not a base. Really now, it isn't rocket science.

The rocket science is confined to the Dominion of Antarctica, where we're setting up our nukes pointed at Argentina and India. *nods*

[Dreadful Sagittarius]

Yes you have. And it's wrong. Are we still running around shooting the French to own the Americas? Are we still negotiating with Indian princes to work with the East India Company? Or are you just maybe being a teensy-tiny little bit racist by going "Britain is full of evil imperialists, and I know this to be true because they're British"?

As I have said I think i know them, anyways it is a mistake to give them Falklands mark my words, they should not be given foreign bases

But it's not foreign. It's an island claimed by, in order, the French, the English, the Spanish, the Argentines. The natives actively ask to remain as British citizens. It's not foreign soil. It's the Falklander's soil, and they want it to be British soil until they either all decide to vote to become Argentine, or the sun burns out and Earth goes with it.

ADDENDUM; And everything I see is telling me we only built a base, RAF Mt Pleasant, in the Falklands after the Argentines invaded it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_the_Falkland_Islands

[Hurdegaryp]

As I have said I think i know them, anyways it is a mistake to give them Falklands mark my words, they should not be given foreign bases

And India should not be given Mumbai. How about that?

Pakistan should be returned to glorious India, though.

[Assorted Sucrose-Based Lifeforms]

Projecting?

I was punning on the word homo, and trying to make that man realize that the word means ethnically pure and not something else but i guess i have to explain even the most basic of things to the other side

Also, that 'pun' doesn't make any sense; see my earlier summary of the earlier conversation.

[Imperializt Russia]

Britisher and proud

I'm Britisher than you.

no u

o wait

I'm Britisher than you.

*tea drinking intensifies*

I may not be British but I'm still the Britishest person around! When I'm in an empty room, at least.

Well, I know at least one poster on NSG you're Britisher than...

I'm the only NSGer who insults literally everyone with his Britisherness when he posts.

[Fartsniffage]

OK. Why did I deserve this baity-like comment? Elaborate.

Because you oppose Britain's imperialism but in a rather soft manner though

The amusing thing is, I think pretty much everyone in this thread opposes British imperialism.

[Imperialpowersofkorea]

As I have said I think i know them, anyways it is a mistake to give them Falklands mark my words, they should not be given foreign bases

And India should not be given Mumbai. How about that?

So you will try to take Mumbai from us now, too bad that would be the last time you ever try to take a city,

[Ostroeuropa]

As I have said I think i know them, anyways it is a mistake to give them Falklands mark my words, they should not be given foreign bases

But it's not foreign. It's an island claimed by, in order, the French, the English, the Spanish, the Argentines. The natives actively ask to remain as British citizens. It's not foreign soil. It's the Falklander's soil, and they want it to be British soil until they either all decide to vote to become Argentine, or the sun burns out and Earth goes with it.

Or until Independence.
Or they vote to join China and China accepts.
Whichever.

[Constaniana]

And India should not be given Mumbai. How about that?

Pakistan should be returned to glorious India, though.

On condition that India is returned to more glorious Britannia, along with the rest of the Empire. Might as well stop pretending to not be the empire any more, since Maniskorea saw through our cunning disguises.

[Imperialpowersofkorea]

And India should not be given Mumbai. How about that?

Pakistan should be returned to glorious India, though.

No we don't want it keep them

[Jetan]

It's not foreign, it's british. It's an island group, not a base. Really now, it isn't rocket science.

The rocket science is confined to the Dominion of Antarctica, where we're setting up our nukes pointed at Argentina and India. *nods*

Shhhhh! That's a secret!

[Hurdegaryp]

OK. Why did I deserve this baity-like comment? Elaborate.

Because you oppose Britain's imperialism but in a rather soft manner though

Today the Falklands, tomorrow the world? Well, who'd have thunk it?

[Imperializt Russia]

We gave up the empire and our strategic naval situation changed to reflect that.

I don't think you understand how military needs work or are assessed.

I understand how the military works, it is to be kept as sharp as possible in times of peace so that in times of war, you don't get steamrolled. This is why America keeps the largest fleet in the world, despite not having a major fleet action since WW2.

No, America does that because it has different strategic requirements to literally everyone else. it has defence agreements in the far east, the middle east, and Europe. For this, it needs a capable Navy to fight other navies, deploy air power and secure shipping routes with which to achieve strategic lift capabilities by sea and air to these three regions.

It has this requirement because of its insanely advantageous position in WWII, namely its geographical isolation from major threats and its vast industrial capability.

[The Confederacy of Nationalism]

I understand how the military works, it is to be kept as sharp as possible in times of peace so that in times of war, you don't get steamrolled. This is why America keeps the largest fleet in the world, despite not having a major fleet action since WW2.

Being one of the three blue-water navies in the world, and being great friends with the other two blue-water navies sounds pretty sharp.

second best isn't good enough when you're at war.

[Ostroeuropa]

Because you oppose Britain's imperialism but in a rather soft manner though

The amusing thing is, I think pretty much everyone in this thread opposes British imperialism.

*eh hand gesture.*

I'm a pretty crazy neo-con.
Any democracy that wants to annex a dictatorship and give it's citizens the vote (And probably devolution.) is ok in my book.
Whether that counts as Imperialism is dubious.
Fourth wave of imperialism, open season on tyrannies. etc.