Another Falklands Thread: This Time, It'll Cost 50 Pesos

[Imperializt Russia]

And I hope Russia lays claim to India, ignoring what the people there emphatically want.

Between Russia and India lies Afghanistan.

I do not for a moment believe that Russia wants to repeat that experiment.

Afghanistan was pretty key, strategically, linking the Soviet Union to the Middle East.
Pretty much the only reason they did intervene there.

[Imperialpowersofkorea]

I can sum this all up really;

Calismera feels obligated to assert at every point that the Falklands don't belong to the native Falklanders who want British citizenship and they're actually Argentine because Argentina is closer and Argentina deserves land like it took from the locals that the Argentine immigrants have displaced.

Manisdog sees one side is Britain and thus feels that is should be given any further bases to further its imperialistic tendencies

Most others seem to think it's cool to be so edgy and down with the kids and oppose Britain because it's a silly old white country.

The truth is it's a rallying cry for the imperialists of South America. "There's some land that doesn't belong to Spanish-speaking immigrants we rule! Quickly, liberate it from freedom!" They don't care about historical wrongs, or the right to self-determination. They don't care about it in anything other than a cold-hearted calculated 'what advantage will this give me, and how could it disadvantage me?' way. It's just another way to colour the map a little more Argentine.

I have edited you quote to sum my opinion

[The Confederacy of Nationalism]

Pfft, by that time, Britain's navy was an empty shell of what it used to be, the Argentinians sank two frigates with a handful of outdated Phantoms.

The terrain was favourable to low-running strike fighters, and countermeasures to anti-shipping missiles were rudimentary at best.
It's not exactly surprising.

A re-run of the conflict today, however. Terrain is no longer the great advantage it was, and countermeasures are widespread.

Are those really enough to outweigh the Royal Navy's recent development of incompetence?

[Hurdegaryp]

So what real claim does Argentina have to the Falklands aside from proximity?

Well, they both have soil. Argentina has soil, Falklands have soil, so obviously the Falklands are Agentinian clay. Alternative Argentina is Falklandian clay, but they don't advertise that option.

By the way, what happened with the original inhabitants of what is now known as Argentina? Surely the noble Spanish conquistadores were nothing but pleasant and forthcoming towards those natives.

[ImperialistSalvia]

So you think that the best solution would be for the territory to become the property of Argentina but the people and their government remain British?

Yes, there's no reason why they should have to renounce citizenship if they already have it, they'd just become dual citizens.

Then what's the point of giving the land to Argentina at all? Why not let them stay with the UK?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Yes exactly, lets get back to topic for christ's sake, I stand with my statement that

Falklands should be given to the British, it is not conducive to the general interests of the world.

The world.

Tad grandiose and delusional.
I think you overestimate our capabilities of... anything, really. Or the strategic value of the Falklands.

You just dont understand man... He who controls the Falklands controls the Universe!

[Brillnuck]

I can sum this all up really;

Calismera feels obligated to assert at every point that the Falklands don't belong to the native Falklanders who want British citizenship and they're actually Argentine because Argentina is closer and Argentina deserves land like it took from the locals that the Argentine immigrants have displaced.

Manisdog sees one side is Britain and thus feels that is should be given any further bases to further its imperialistic tendencies

Most others seem to think it's cool to be so edgy and down with the kids and oppose Britain because it's a silly old white country.

The truth is it's a rallying cry for the imperialists of South America. "There's some land that doesn't belong to Spanish-speaking immigrants we rule! Quickly, liberate it from freedom!" They don't care about historical wrongs, or the right to self-determination. They don't care about it in anything other than a cold-hearted calculated 'what advantage will this give me, and how could it disadvantage me?' way. It's just another way to colour the map a little more Argentine.

I have edited you quote to sum my opinion

Any evidence to back that Britain is still imperialist?

[Hurdegaryp]

Yes, there's no reason why they should have to renounce citizenship if they already have it, they'd just become dual citizens.

Then what's the point of giving the land to Argentina at all? Why not let them stay with the UK?

Because nationalistic Argentinians would be so butthurt.

[Imperializt Russia]

The terrain was favourable to low-running strike fighters, and countermeasures to anti-shipping missiles were rudimentary at best.
It's not exactly surprising.

A re-run of the conflict today, however. Terrain is no longer the great advantage it was, and countermeasures are widespread.

Are those really enough to outweigh the Royal Navy's recent development of incompetence?

We gave up the empire and our strategic naval situation changed to reflect that.

I don't think you understand how military needs work or are assessed.

[Aboveland]

I'm Argentine and I think her move was really stupid, especially because instead of $50 we need $500 or $1000 by now.

[Imperialpowersofkorea]

I have edited you quote to sum my opinion

Any evidence to back that Britain is still imperialist?

Erm they are called British overseas territories

[Ostroeuropa]

People demand self-government. - Ok, sure.
People demand self-government. - Ok, sure.
People demand self-government. - Ok, sure.
People demand that we hand over our Citizens and their property to a government they reject. - Lol, send in the battleships.

No, it did not work that way, the British had to be thrown out...

On 3 June 1947, Viscount Louis Mountbatten, the last British Governor-General of India, announced the partitioning of British India into India and Pakistan. With the speedy passage through the British Parliament of the Indian Independence Act 1947, at 11:57 on 14 August 1947 Pakistan was declared a separate nation, and at 12:02, just after midnight, on 15 August 1947, India also became an independent nation. Violent clashes between Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims followed. Prime Minister Nehru and deputy prime minister Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel invited Mountbatten to continue as Governor General of India. He was replaced in June 1948 by Chakravarti Rajagopalachari. Patel took on the responsibility of bringing into the Indian Union 565 princely states, steering efforts by his "iron fist in a velvet glove" policies, exemplified by the use of military force to integrate Junagadh and Hyderabad State into India (Operation Polo). On the other hand, Pandit Jawahar Lal Nehru kept the issue of Kashmir in his hands.

The Constituent Assembly completed the work of drafting the constitution on 26 November 1949; on 26 January 1950, the Republic of India was officially proclaimed. The Constituent Assembly elected Dr. Rajendra Prasad as the first President of India, taking over from Governor General Rajgopalachari. Subsequently India invaded and annexed Goa and Portugal's other Indian enclaves in 1961), the French ceded Chandernagore in 1951, and Pondichéry and its remaining Indian colonies in 1956, and Sikkim voted to join the Indian Union in 1975.

Following Independence in 1947, India remained in the Commonwealth of Nations, and relations between the UK and India have been friendly. There are many areas in which the two countries seek stronger ties for mutual benefit, and there are also strong cultural and social ties between the two nations. The UK has an ethnic Indian population of over 1.6 million. In 2010, Prime Minister David Cameron described Indian – British relations as a "New Special Relationship".

Wiki.
Got a counter-source?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India%E2%8 ... _relations

Sounds like you are being thoroughly unindian with this anti-britishness by the way.

[Imperializt Russia]

The world.

Tad grandiose and delusional.
I think you overestimate our capabilities of... anything, really. Or the strategic value of the Falklands.

You just dont understand man... He who controls the Falklands controls the Universe!

*sigh*

If only.

[Jetan]

I can sum this all up really;

Calismera feels obligated to assert at every point that the Falklands don't belong to the native Falklanders who want British citizenship and they're actually Argentine because Argentina is closer and Argentina deserves land like it took from the locals that the Argentine immigrants have displaced.

Manisdog sees one side is Britain and thus feels that is should be given any further bases to further its imperialistic tendencies

Most others seem to think it's cool to be so edgy and down with the kids and oppose Britain because it's a silly old white country.

The truth is it's a rallying cry for the imperialists of South America. "There's some land that doesn't belong to Spanish-speaking immigrants we rule! Quickly, liberate it from freedom!" They don't care about historical wrongs, or the right to self-determination. They don't care about it in anything other than a cold-hearted calculated 'what advantage will this give me, and how could it disadvantage me?' way. It's just another way to colour the map a little more Argentine.

I have edited you quote to sum my opinion

Ah, so you support extending british influence and military reach by giving it more foreign bases then? How sporty of you old bean!

[Calimera II]

70% of the comments here are uninteresting and irrelevant.

Not the comment. Those dissapprovals.

Oh, many other comments dissapprove of what the Argentineans say when it comes to the Malvinas/Falklands.

I must say that I feel honoured that you chose to reply to my comment, instead of replying to other similar comments.

[Imperializt Russia]

why do you consider the people living there not to have the right to choose ?

They can live in Britain, in the Queens own backyard

That doesn't answer the question.

Except by saying "no".

[Constaniana]

The world.

Tad grandiose and delusional.
I think you overestimate our capabilities of... anything, really. Or the strategic value of the Falklands.

You just dont understand man... He who controls the Falklands controls the Universe!

You know those Infinity Stones from the Marvel universe? They're all hewn from rocks on the Falklands. *nods*

[Calimera II]

I'm Argentine and I think her move was really stupid, especially because instead of $50 we need $500 or $1000 by now.

Mua, doesn't change the fact that we have the beautiful Malvinas on our 50 pesos bills.

[Hurdegaryp]

You just dont understand man... He who controls the Falklands controls the Universe!

*sigh*

If only.

But think of all the sheep!

[Imperialpowersofkorea]

No, it did not work that way, the British had to be thrown out...

On 3 June 1947, Viscount Louis Mountbatten, the last British Governor-General of India, announced the partitioning of British India into India and Pakistan. With the speedy passage through the British Parliament of the Indian Independence Act 1947, at 11:57 on 14 August 1947 Pakistan was declared a separate nation, and at 12:02, just after midnight, on 15 August 1947, India also became an independent nation. Violent clashes between Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims followed. Prime Minister Nehru and deputy prime minister Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel invited Mountbatten to continue as Governor General of India. He was replaced in June 1948 by Chakravarti Rajagopalachari. Patel took on the responsibility of bringing into the Indian Union 565 princely states, steering efforts by his "iron fist in a velvet glove" policies, exemplified by the use of military force to integrate Junagadh and Hyderabad State into India (Operation Polo). On the other hand, Pandit Jawahar Lal Nehru kept the issue of Kashmir in his hands.

The Constituent Assembly completed the work of drafting the constitution on 26 November 1949; on 26 January 1950, the Republic of India was officially proclaimed. The Constituent Assembly elected Dr. Rajendra Prasad as the first President of India, taking over from Governor General Rajgopalachari. Subsequently India invaded and annexed Goa and Portugal's other Indian enclaves in 1961), the French ceded Chandernagore in 1951, and Pondichéry and its remaining Indian colonies in 1956, and Sikkim voted to join the Indian Union in 1975.

Following Independence in 1947, India remained in the Commonwealth of Nations, and relations between the UK and India have been friendly. There are many areas in which the two countries seek stronger ties for mutual benefit, and there are also strong cultural and social ties between the two nations. The UK has an ethnic Indian population of over 1.6 million. In 2010, Prime Minister David Cameron described Indian – British relations as a "New Special Relationship".

Wiki.
Got a counter-source?

You know the moderators would impale us both for this right but since you started this, Now the moderators don't like this shit and I am not invoking the wrath of the gods

[The Huskar Social Union]

You just dont understand man... He who controls the Falklands controls the Universe!

*sigh*

If only.

I can just imagine it.

Hundreds of years from now the British space Empire encounter some alien race and they are all wearing red coats and armed with space muskets and demand they submit to them.

"But why? what makes you so great?"

"We own two small islands in one of the oceans of our world, that is why"

"Oh.. its all so clear now.. we fight for you!"

[The Confederacy of Nationalism]

Yes, because people don't change hands, because people aren't owned, this isn't about people, this is about the land they are on.

British land, to be exact. I know you lack any form of empathy and therefore do not care about humans at all, but the Falklands are British, as it should be.

I fail to see how I a unempathetic because I believe that people should not be owned by their governments. People are not owned by their governments, the land they live on, however, is under the dominion of their government.

[Fartsniffage]

So you think that the best solution would be for the territory to become the property of Argentina but the people and their government remain British?

Yes, there's no reason why they should have to renounce citizenship if they already have it, they'd just become dual citizens.

Yes, but they've already said that they don't want that. And, as you said, the people aren't property to be simply handed around between nations.

[Calimera II]

I can sum this all up really;

Calismera feels obligated to assert at every point that the Falklands don't belong to the native Falklanders who want British citizenship and they're actually Argentine because Argentina is closer and Argentina deserves land like it took from the locals that the Argentine immigrants have displaced.

Manisdog sees one side is Britain and thus joins the opposing side out of instinctive reflex.

Most others seem to think it's cool to be so edgy and down with the kids and oppose Britain because it's a silly old white country.

The truth is it's a rallying cry for the imperialists of South America. "There's some land that doesn't belong to Spanish-speaking immigrants we rule! Quickly, liberate it from freedom!" They don't care about historical wrongs, or the right to self-determination. They don't care about it in anything other than a cold-hearted calculated 'what advantage will this give me, and how could it disadvantage me?' way. It's just another way to colour the map a little more Argentine.

How exciting tell me more about it.

[Ostroeuropa]

Wiki.
Got a counter-source?

You know the moderators would impale us both for this right but since you started this, Now the moderators don't like this shit and I am not invoking the wrath of the gods

I'd say it's relevant.
It's evidence that genuine calls for independence and self-governance will be heeded. What did you say?
Look at the history?