Another Falklands Thread: This Time, It'll Cost 50 Pesos

[Planita]

Nationalism people! *fireworks* Conveniently distracting people since forever.

[ImperialistSalvia]

So? Let them moan and bitch and cry, but it doesn't change the fact that Falklands are British and shall continue to be so. If you want sheep so much, buy some.

I don't moan and bitch and cry and I still support Argentina's claim. Don't like it? Deal with it. (:

So what real claim does Argentina have to the Falklands aside from proximity?

[Jetan]

Falklands; British by the will of Falklanders and international law.
Deal with it mrs Kirchner.

Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, the overwhelming majority of the Argentine population and a lot of other governments disapprove of this message.

How interesting. Wholly irrelevant, but interesting.

[The Confederacy of Nationalism]

From Britain's perspective, "giving up" something is the same as "giving independence" to it, they lose the territory either way. India, Canada, and Australia made Great Britain a large sum of money, the falklands does not.

It's odd. Those who support the Argentine claim always talk about territory. Those who support the British claim so often want to talk about the people. And yet Britain is the evil imperialist one...

Yes, because people don't change hands, because people aren't owned, this isn't about people, this is about the land they are on.

[Calimera II]

Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, the overwhelming majority of the Argentine population and a lot of other governments disapprove of this message.

China disagrees with the right of the people of Taiwan.
Russia disagrees with the right of the people of Ukraine.
Spain disagrees with the right of the people of Morocco.
India disagrees with the right of the people of Pakistan.

What, are we just going to simultaneously cede everyone's claim to everything, or something?

There are waaaay more countries. All countries of the African Union (I think it was called like that..) support Argentina's claim too.

[Imperializt Russia]

France does too! I suppose I'm going to be seeing posts also bashing the French for being imperialist rascals in short order...

On another note, we really should turn away from derailing this thread topic before the both of us get banhammer-related contusions.

Yes exactly, lets get back to topic for christ's sake, I stand with my statement that

Falklands should be given to the British, it is not conducive to the general interests of the world.

The world.

Tad grandiose and delusional.
I think you overestimate our capabilities of... anything, really. Or the strategic value of the Falklands.

[Hurdegaryp]

It's odd. Those who support the Argentine claim always talk about territory. Those who support the British claim so often want to talk about the people. And yet Britain is the evil imperialist one...

Because those "people" are actually wee hobgoblins summoned up by the ghost of the wicked sorceress Queen Victoria. *nods*

While the proud Argentinian protectors of Franco's ideological heritage and the unquestionable domination of the Roman Catholic church valiantly tried to rescue the Falklands from the perverted decadence so common for European democracies.

[Uxupox]

Who cares what Cristina says or does. She can go excuse my expression fuck off.

[Imperializt Russia]

Don't bullshit, France is America's longest-standing ally, they've been our ally since day one. I'd also like to note that the first two letters of NATO stand for "NORTH ATLANTIC", and also that the falklands aren't in the north atlantic, nor is Argentina, so this does not concern NATO. Besides, you know, that Great Britain would never have risked conventional warfare with the U.S., let alone nuclear warfare, they'd have left the falklands at just the threat.

...
And promptly entered the Neutral camp of the cold war.

And lo, the GIUK gap fell to the Soviet submarine menace. The Americans unable to deal with the loss of Britain as an extended airbase, shipping destination and missile base.

[Constaniana]

Notice how the main character is a Time Lord, a.k.a a peerage bestowed by the Crown? He even meets Queen Victoria and Elizabeth! Clear evidence of his pro-British Empire leanings!

Funny thing is, the fascists were the evil imperialistic ones (quite a surprise there, eh?), while the democracy had the legitimate claim.

Look, broski, the Union Jack doesn't just magically pick itself up and plant itself in the ground thousands of miles away from where it started, something has to pick it up and take it there, namely, the British.

Of course it doesn't do that. Merlin carries it down from Heaven. *nods*

The Spaniards did the same thing to Argentina. Difference being, the colonisation of the Falklands didn't involve massive genocide to a pre-existing population.

[Calimera II]

Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, the overwhelming majority of the Argentine population and a lot of other governments disapprove of this message.

How interesting. Wholly irrelevant, but interesting.

70% of the comments here are uninteresting and irrelevant.

[Jetan]

I don't moan and bitch and cry and I still support Argentina's claim. Don't like it? Deal with it. (:

So what real claim does Argentina have to the Falklands aside from proximity?

Well, they both have soil. Argentina has soil, Falklands have soil, so obviously the Falklands are Agentinian clay. Alternatively Argentina is Falklandian clay, but they don't advertise that option.

[Imperializt Russia]

China disagrees with the right of the people of Taiwan.
Russia disagrees with the right of the people of Ukraine.
Spain disagrees with the right of the people of Morocco.
India disagrees with the right of the people of Pakistan.

What, are we just going to simultaneously cede everyone's claim to everything, or something?

There are waaaay more countries. All countries of the African Union (I think it was called like that..) support Argentina's claim too.

All countries that support Argentina (and I believe it is literally all of them) are either ex-colonies or states that would benefit from having precedent to cite in their own territorial disputes.

[Ostroeuropa]

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And promptly entered the Neutral camp of the cold war.

And lo, the GIUK gap fell to the Soviet submarine menace. The Americans unable to deal with the loss of Britain as an extended airbase, shipping destination and missile base.

Doubtful. We'd probably have made out better by being self-serving neutrals.

[The Confederacy of Nationalism]

Give independence to Canada - ok, that's fine
Give independence to India - ok that's also fine
Give independence to Australia - sure, whatever
Give up the falklands to Argentina - http://i.imgur.com/WtlXZX6.jpg

People demand self-government. - Ok, sure.
People demand self-government. - Ok, sure.
People demand self-government. - Ok, sure.
People demand that we hand over our Citizens and their property to a government they reject. - Lol, send in the battleships.

Pfft, by that time, Britain's navy was an empty shell of what it used to be, the Argentinians sank two frigates with a handful of outdated Phantoms.

[Hurdegaryp]

It's odd. Those who support the Argentine claim always talk about territory. Those who support the British claim so often want to talk about the people. And yet Britain is the evil imperialist one...

Yes, because people don't change hands, because people aren't owned, this isn't about people, this is about the land they are on.

British land, to be exact. I know you lack any form of empathy and therefore do not care about humans at all, but the Falklands are British, as it should be.

[Jetan]

How interesting. Wholly irrelevant, but interesting.

70% of the comments here are uninteresting and irrelevant.

Not the comment. Those dissapprovals.

[Camelza]

China disagrees with the right of the people of Taiwan.
Russia disagrees with the right of the people of Ukraine.
Spain disagrees with the right of the people of Morocco.
India disagrees with the right of the people of Pakistan.

What, are we just going to simultaneously cede everyone's claim to everything, or something?

There are waaaay more countries. All countries of the African Union (I think it was called like that..) support Argentina's claim too.

And? Does this mean that an Argentine annexation of the Falklands, against the will of the Falklanders, would be justified and legal?

[Imperialpowersofkorea]

Give independence to Canada - ok, that's fine
Give independence to India - ok that's also fine
Give independence to Australia - sure, whatever
Give up the falklands to Argentina - http://i.imgur.com/WtlXZX6.jpg

People demand self-government. - Ok, sure.
People demand self-government. - Ok, sure.
People demand self-government. - Ok, sure.
People demand that we hand over our Citizens and their property to a government they reject. - Lol, send in the battleships.

No, it did not work that way, the British had to be thrown out...

[Assorted Sucrose-Based Lifeforms]

I say this as a British-Indian, but why the hate for British people? Not every British person is rude and racist. Everyone can be rude and racist and everyone can be nice and tolerant. Sure, they had an empire and terrorised people, but we regret that. There are many other countries who've been imperialist and have done worse things you know.

I stayed in your Britain for a week , what you say I don't buy it sorry, I think it really opened my eyes that whole experience

I answered you because your Indian

>Stayed in the UK for a week
>Now understands the British better than they themselves
So, British people are some sort of hivemind that can be 'understood'?
(Edit: and in a WEEK?)

Incidentally, you had a run-in with some jerks and that makes everyone from that country exactly like those jerks?
Okay, I got robbed in Spain, therefore all Spanish are thieving degenerates. Or does that seem a tad prejudiced?

[Dreadful Sagittarius]

I can sum this all up really;

Calismera feels obligated to assert at every point that the Falklands don't belong to the native Falklanders who want British citizenship and they're actually Argentine because Argentina is closer and Argentina deserves land like it took from the locals that the Argentine immigrants have displaced.

Manisdog sees one side is Britain and thus joins the opposing side out of instinctive reflex.

Most others seem to think it's cool to be so edgy and down with the kids and oppose Britain because it's a silly old white country.

The truth is it's a rallying cry for the imperialists of South America. "There's some land that doesn't belong to Spanish-speaking immigrants we rule! Quickly, liberate it from freedom!" They don't care about historical wrongs, or the right to self-determination. They don't care about it in anything other than a cold-hearted calculated 'what advantage will this give me, and how could it disadvantage me?' way. It's just another way to colour the map a little more Argentine.

[Imperializt Russia]

People demand self-government. - Ok, sure.
People demand self-government. - Ok, sure.
People demand self-government. - Ok, sure.
People demand that we hand over our Citizens and their property to a government they reject. - Lol, send in the battleships.

Pfft, by that time, Britain's navy was an empty shell of what it used to be, the Argentinians sank two frigates with a handful of outdated Phantoms.

The terrain was favourable to low-running strike fighters, and countermeasures to anti-shipping missiles were rudimentary at best.
It's not exactly surprising.

A re-run of the conflict today, however. Terrain is no longer the great advantage it was, and countermeasures are widespread.

[Fartsniffage]

It's odd. Those who support the Argentine claim always talk about territory. Those who support the British claim so often want to talk about the people. And yet Britain is the evil imperialist one...

Yes, because people don't change hands, because people aren't owned, this isn't about people, this is about the land they are on.

So you think that the best solution would be for the territory to become the property of Argentina but the people and their government remain British?

[The Confederacy of Nationalism]

Give independence to Canada - ok, that's fine
Give independence to India - ok that's also fine
Give independence to Australia - sure, whatever
Give up the falklands to Argentina - http://i.imgur.com/WtlXZX6.jpg

It was not fine, I lost family for it, they don't walk out, you need throw them out

Didn't work for Argentina.

[The Confederacy of Nationalism]

Yes, because people don't change hands, because people aren't owned, this isn't about people, this is about the land they are on.

So you think that the best solution would be for the territory to become the property of Argentina but the people and their government remain British?

Yes, there's no reason why they should have to renounce citizenship if they already have it, they'd just become dual citizens.