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Postby Brillnuck » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:35 pm

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You got called a naughty name by some bottom feeder and now you're an expert on this country and everything here? I think you'll find we're waaaay more complex than that.

I know what they did to me, you have no right to comment on it, I actually thank them for opening my eyes anyways this is not about me, it is about the British trying to do what they always, take over land which is not theirs

I say this as a British-Indian, but why the hate for British people? Not every British person is rude and racist. Everyone can be rude and racist and everyone can be nice and tolerant. Sure, they had an empire and terrorised people, but we regret that. There are many other countries who've been imperialist and have done worse things you know.
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Postby Constaniana » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:36 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Constaniana wrote:Also, Doctor Who is a documentary about MI6 agents travelling the cosmos to illegally implant British populations everywhere. The Daleks are just righteous anti-imperialists.


Ah, so that's what happened.
We merely pretended to stop being Imperialist. In truth, we began an imperialistic campaign against the space-time continuum itself.

Notice how the main character is a Time Lord, a.k.a a peerage bestowed by the Crown? He even meets Queen Victoria and Elizabeth! Clear evidence of his pro-British Empire leanings!
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Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Monroe Doctrine was designed to defend democracy in the Americas against Monarchistic europeans.
It would be a betrayal of the doctrine to back a Fascistic governments invasion of a Democracy.

And? I'd rather recognize the fascist's legitimate claim than back an evil and imperialistic democracy.

Funny thing is, the fascists were the evil imperialistic ones (quite a surprise there, eh?), while the democracy had the legitimate claim.
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Postby Imperialpowersofkorea » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:36 pm

The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Because it's patently ridiculous :p
Britain isn't the same country as it used to be.
We've given up all that christian crusading missionary mallarchy. And the white mans burden.
Now we're obsessed with capitalism or social justice, depending on your temperament. Even our revisionism of the empire takes that into account.
We don't get all broo-ha-ha about invading places and killing people. Makes us uncomfortable.
We wistfully talk about banning slavery, and expanding democracy, creating trade and business, and such.

And we can do all that stuff without the red coats.

Give independence to Canada - ok, that's fine
Give independence to India - ok that's also fine
Give independence to Australia - sure, whatever
Give up the falklands to Argentina - http://i.imgur.com/WtlXZX6.jpg


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Postby The Confederacy of Nationalism » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:36 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:I still stand by my belief that the United States was obligated to aid Argentina in the Falklands War under the Monroe Doctrine. It's disappointing that to this day Argentina still does not control the falklands.


Because America supporting a bankrupt nation with little to no importance is worth active opposition of not just a nuclear nation but Americas longest standing Allie, destroying the founding principle of NATO in the process.

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Monroe Doctrine was designed to defend democracy in the Americas against Monarchistic europeans.
It would be a betrayal of the doctrine to back a Fascistic governments invasion of a Democracy.


No offense to anyone, but America does have a history of overthrowing Democratically elected regimes and replacing them with pro American dictators.

Don't bullshit, France is America's longest-standing ally, they've been our ally since day one. I'd also like to note that the first two letters of NATO stand for "NORTH ATLANTIC", and also that the falklands aren't in the north atlantic, nor is Argentina, so this does not concern NATO. Besides, you know, that Great Britain would never have risked conventional warfare with the U.S., let alone nuclear warfare, they'd have left the falklands at just the threat.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:37 pm

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Constaniana wrote:Oh yeah, I forgot about your nose bit. But that's quite an impressive gift you have, being able to sense the arrival of a handful of Britons into a country as crammed as India. But such eastern magics cannot stop the indomitable march of the evil Britannians! We will pillage Antarctica to construct our Wellington Churchill mechas! Muwahahaha! >:D

Slight snag in that Plan, My Englanderfuhrer.

The whole..mecha thing kinda....exploded.

Back to the drawing board, then. There shall be unstoppable legions of walking tanks!
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Postby Calimera II » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:37 pm

Camelza wrote:Falklands; British by the will of Falklanders and international law.
Deal with it mrs Kirchner.


Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, the overwhelming majority of the Argentine population and a lot of other governments disapprove of this message.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:37 pm

The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
You will note that there is a word that was included in the first three examples that doesn't appear in the fourth. Want to guess which one?

From Britain's perspective, "giving up" something is the same as "giving independence" to it, they lose the territory either way. India, Canada, and Australia made Great Britain a large sum of money, the falklands does not.


It's odd. Those who support the Argentine claim always talk about territory. Those who support the British claim so often want to talk about the people. And yet Britain is the evil imperialist one...

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Postby Constaniana » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:37 pm

The balkens wrote:
Constaniana wrote:Oh yeah, I forgot about your nose bit. But that's quite an impressive gift you have, being able to sense the arrival of a handful of Britons into a country as crammed as India. But such eastern magics cannot stop the indomitable march of the evil Britannians! We will pillage Antarctica to construct our Wellington Churchill mechas! Muwahahaha! >:D

Slight snag in that Plan, My Englanderfuhrer.

The whole..mecha thing kinda....exploded.

Oh well. Back to the Spitfire Dreadnoughts.
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Postby ImperialistSalvia » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:37 pm

I really don't understand what there is to argue. The Falklanders are British, they voted to be British, so what's the issue? Argentina just uses it as a way to get the people riled up, and for the Arctic.

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Postby Brillnuck » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:38 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
The balkens wrote:Slight snag in that Plan, My Englanderfuhrer.

The whole..mecha thing kinda....exploded.

Back to the drawing board, then. There shall be unstoppable legions of walking tanks!

Why can't we make penguin-tank hybrids. They're penguins, but move and have guns like tanks.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:38 pm

Calimera II wrote:
Camelza wrote:Falklands; British by the will of Falklanders and international law.
Deal with it mrs Kirchner.

Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, the overwhelming majority of the Argentine population and a lot of other governments disapprove of this message.

So? Let them moan and bitch and cry, but it doesn't change the fact that Falklands are British and shall continue to be so. If you want sheep so much, buy some.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:38 pm

The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
You will note that there is a word that was included in the first three examples that doesn't appear in the fourth. Want to guess which one?

From Britain's perspective, "giving up" something is the same as "giving independence" to it, they lose the territory either way. India, Canada, and Australia made Great Britain a large sum of money, the falklands does not.


Not really.
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Postby Constaniana » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:38 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:From Britain's perspective, "giving up" something is the same as "giving independence" to it, they lose the territory either way. India, Canada, and Australia made Great Britain a large sum of money, the falklands does not.


It's odd. Those who support the Argentine claim always talk about territory. Those who support the British claim so often want to talk about the people. And yet Britain is the evil imperialist one...

Because those "people" are actually wee hobgoblins summoned up by the ghost of the wicked sorceress Queen Victoria. *nods*
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Postby The balkens » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:39 pm

Constaniana wrote:
The balkens wrote:Slight snag in that Plan, My Englanderfuhrer.

The whole..mecha thing kinda....exploded.

Oh well. Back to the Spitfire Dreadnoughts.


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Postby Imperialpowersofkorea » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:39 pm

Brillnuck wrote:
Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:I know what they did to me, you have no right to comment on it, I actually thank them for opening my eyes anyways this is not about me, it is about the British trying to do what they always, take over land which is not theirs

I say this as a British-Indian, but why the hate for British people? Not every British person is rude and racist. Everyone can be rude and racist and everyone can be nice and tolerant. Sure, they had an empire and terrorised people, but we regret that. There are many other countries who've been imperialist and have done worse things you know.

I stayed in your Britain for a week , what you say I don't buy it sorry, I think it really opened my eyes that whole experience

I answered you because your Indian
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Postby Camelza » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:39 pm

Calimera II wrote:
Camelza wrote:Falklands; British by the will of Falklanders and international law.
Deal with it mrs Kirchner.


Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, the overwhelming majority of the Argentine population and a lot of other governments disapprove of this message.

Falklanders don't though and in the end that is the only thing that actually matters.

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Postby Calimera II » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:39 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Calimera II wrote:Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, the overwhelming majority of the Argentine population and a lot of other governments disapprove of this message.

So? Let them moan and bitch and cry, but it doesn't change the fact that Falklands are British and shall continue to be so. If you want sheep so much, buy some.


I don't moan and bitch and cry and I still support Argentina's claim. Don't like it? Deal with it. (:

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Postby The Confederacy of Nationalism » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:39 pm

Constaniana wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Ah, so that's what happened.
We merely pretended to stop being Imperialist. In truth, we began an imperialistic campaign against the space-time continuum itself.

Notice how the main character is a Time Lord, a.k.a a peerage bestowed by the Crown? He even meets Queen Victoria and Elizabeth! Clear evidence of his pro-British Empire leanings!
The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:And? I'd rather recognize the fascist's legitimate claim than back an evil and imperialistic democracy.

Funny thing is, the fascists were the evil imperialistic ones (quite a surprise there, eh?), while the democracy had the legitimate claim.

Look, broski, the Union Jack doesn't just magically pick itself up and plant itself in the ground thousands of miles away from where it started, something has to pick it up and take it there, namely, the British.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:39 pm

The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Because America supporting a bankrupt nation with little to no importance is worth active opposition of not just a nuclear nation but Americas longest standing Allie, destroying the founding principle of NATO in the process.



No offense to anyone, but America does have a history of overthrowing Democratically elected regimes and replacing them with pro American dictators.

Don't bullshit, France is America's longest-standing ally, they've been our ally since day one. I'd also like to note that the first two letters of NATO stand for "NORTH ATLANTIC", and also that the falklands aren't in the north atlantic, nor is Argentina, so this does not concern NATO. Besides, you know, that Great Britain would never have risked conventional warfare with the U.S., let alone nuclear warfare, they'd have left the falklands at just the threat.


:rofl: France?
Seriously, FRANCE?

I think it was an American who said the Congo is more of a U.S. Allie then France.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:39 pm

The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Because America supporting a bankrupt nation with little to no importance is worth active opposition of not just a nuclear nation but Americas longest standing Allie, destroying the founding principle of NATO in the process.



No offense to anyone, but America does have a history of overthrowing Democratically elected regimes and replacing them with pro American dictators.

Don't bullshit, France is America's longest-standing ally, they've been our ally since day one. I'd also like to note that the first two letters of NATO stand for "NORTH ATLANTIC", and also that the falklands aren't in the north atlantic, nor is Argentina, so this does not concern NATO. Besides, you know, that Great Britain would never have risked conventional warfare with the U.S., let alone nuclear warfare, they'd have left the falklands at just the threat.


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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:40 pm

Calimera II wrote:
Camelza wrote:Falklands; British by the will of Falklanders and international law.
Deal with it mrs Kirchner.


Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, the overwhelming majority of the Argentine population and a lot of other governments disapprove of this message.

China disagrees with the right of the people of Taiwan.
Russia disagrees with the right of the people of Ukraine.
Spain disagrees with the right of the people of Morocco.
India disagrees with the right of the people of Pakistan.

What, are we just going to simultaneously cede everyone's claim to everything, or something?
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Postby Unfallious » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:40 pm

The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Because America supporting a bankrupt nation with little to no importance is worth active opposition of not just a nuclear nation but Americas longest standing Allie, destroying the founding principle of NATO in the process.



No offense to anyone, but America does have a history of overthrowing Democratically elected regimes and replacing them with pro American dictators.

Don't bullshit, France is America's longest-standing ally, they've been our ally since day one. I'd also like to note that the first two letters of NATO stand for "NORTH ATLANTIC", and also that the falklands aren't in the north atlantic, nor is Argentina, so this does not concern NATO. Besides, you know, that Great Britain would never have risked conventional warfare with the U.S., let alone nuclear warfare, they'd have left the falklands at just the threat.


NATO includes countries that aren't very close to the North Atlantic, yunno.

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Postby Brillnuck » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:40 pm

Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
Brillnuck wrote:I say this as a British-Indian, but why the hate for British people? Not every British person is rude and racist. Everyone can be rude and racist and everyone can be nice and tolerant. Sure, they had an empire and terrorised people, but we regret that. There are many other countries who've been imperialist and have done worse things you know.

I stayed in your Britain for a week , what you say I don't buy it sorry, I think it really opened my eyes that whole experience

One week does not tell anything about a country. You have to live in a country to understand how the people really are. Everyone can be racist you know.
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Postby New Frenco Empire » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:40 pm

Calimera II wrote:
Camelza wrote:Falklands; British by the will of Falklanders and international law.
Deal with it mrs Kirchner.


Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, the overwhelming majority of the Argentine population and a lot of other governments disapprove of this message.

Falklanders are not Argentinian, though. Their opinions have no bearing on the will of a neighbor.
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Postby Constaniana » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:40 pm

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Constaniana wrote:Oh well. Back to the Spitfire Dreadnoughts.


Nein nein nein nein!

We have the prototypes still working, soon the elevens will know our power! JA!

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