When does Equality become Inequality? Where is the fine line

[Dernland]

As a Christian, I often get criticized for my views on Homosexuality. While I do think that they should be treated fairly and just like everybody else, we shouldn't be forcing everyone else to take measures that hurt or offend them to make that happen. Homosexual couples should be allowed marriage, but forcing churches to marry them in their chapels should not happen. Why not let religions practice the beliefs that they believe? I don't mean let religions murder people and get away with it for the sake of 'religious freedom' but why can't we do things that don't hurt people?

I just wan't to get your opinions on my opinion so I can see what people think.

[Ifreann]

No one has ever suggested legally forcing churches to perform the religious rite of marriage for a gay couple. No one. Ever.

[Fire Eaters]

No one has ever suggested legally forcing churches to perform the religious rite of marriage for a gay couple. No one. Ever.

agreed

[Kantria]

No, and if anyone has ever suggested that, they're on the fringes of the issue. That's not what the debate has ever been about.

[Dernland]

I dunno, a few people I know have talked to me about it. It's been eating at me and I had to ask what your opinions were.

[Benuty]

Hell..I was hoping this would be a realistic issue.

Since the persecution complex really isn't a reliable insight into the debate of what is marriage lets find something else to argue over. Like what religion gets what part of the grocery store.

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

The most I have heard about anything like this was a couple of for-profit chapels who would have been forced to not discriminate, who solved that problem by becoming non-profits.

We have no interest in forcing any religious organizations to recognize anyone's marriage.

[Ifreann]

(Image) I dunno, a few people I know have talked to me about it. It's been eating at me and I had to ask what your opinions were.

I would wager that the people talking to you about this are trying to scare you into opposing gay rights. They're either lying or have themselves been lied to. Again, no one is trying to force churches or any other kind of religious organisation to perform their marriage ceremonies against their wishes.

[Dernland]

Thanks for your replies, you always find the most honest opinions and on the internet.

[Sun Wukong]

Dude, I can't even get straight married in most Catholic churches around here. No one is making churches do anything.

[Nebalon]

This is the ultimate goal of the gay agenda, and why it has to be stopped. It's not going to stop in their bedroom, they're going to take it out, into church, and force people to marry them. That's what they're already doing in the courts - forcing the government to marry them.

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

This is the ultimate goal of the gay agenda, and why it has to be stopped. It's not going to stop in their bedroom, they're going to take it out, into church, and force people to marry them. That's what they're already doing in the courts - forcing the government to marry them.

No we're not.

[Urran]

There have been lawsuits against Christian bakeries and they have been fined for refusing to make wedding cakes for homosexual couples. That should not be, they can take their business elsewhere, I am certain that there are plenty of bakeries that are more than willing to serve them.

[Sarigen]

There have been lawsuits against Christian bakeries and they have been fined for refusing to make wedding cakes for homosexual couples. That should not be, they can take their business elsewhere, I am certain that there are plenty of bakeries that are more than willing to serve them.

There have been lawsuits against christian bakeries and they have been fined for refusing to make wedding cakes for interracial couples. That should not be, they can take their business elsewhere, I am certain that there are plenty of bakeries that are more than willing to serve them

[Sun Wukong]

This is the ultimate goal of the gay agenda, and why it has to be stopped. It's not going to stop in their bedroom, they're going to take it out, into church, and force people to marry them. That's what they're already doing in the courts - forcing the government to marry them.

I thought the ultimate goal was to abolish straight marriage and resurrect Hitler...

I mean... "darn! You caught us. Oh drat you, and your vigilant hetero-normativity! We would have gotten away with it too if not for you meddling straights!"

[Ifreann]

There have been lawsuits against Christian bakeries and they have been fined for refusing to make wedding cakes for homosexual couples. That should not be, they can take their business elsewhere, I am certain that there are plenty of bakeries that are more than willing to serve them.

The laws governing the running of businesses do not apply to the performing of religious rituals in places of worship. Obviously. Because churches aren't businesses.

[Sun Wukong]

There have been lawsuits against Christian bakeries and they have been fined for refusing to make wedding cakes for homosexual couples. That should not be, they can take their business elsewhere, I am certain that there are plenty of bakeries that are more than willing to serve them.

The laws governing the running of businesses do not apply to the performing of religious rituals in places of worship. Obviously. Because churches aren't businesses.

However much they sometimes seem to be.

[Qanchia]

No one has ever suggested legally forcing churches to perform the religious rite of marriage for a gay couple. No one. Ever.

Keep telling yourself that. Meanwhile in the real world, Danish churches are already forced to marry gay couples.

[Sun Wukong]

No one has ever suggested legally forcing churches to perform the religious rite of marriage for a gay couple. No one. Ever.

Keep telling yourself that. Meanwhile in the real world, Danish churches are already forced to marry gay couples.

You mean the State Church of Denmark?

Yeah, I imagine they would be.

[Ifreann]

The laws governing the running of businesses do not apply to the performing of religious rituals in places of worship. Obviously. Because churches aren't businesses.

However much they sometimes seem to be.

Quite.

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No one has ever suggested legally forcing churches to perform the religious rite of marriage for a gay couple. No one. Ever.

Keep telling yourself that. Meanwhile in the real world, Danish churches are already forced to marry gay couples.

Unsupported assertions, eh? I'm convinced.

[Sarigen]

Keep telling yourself that. Meanwhile in the real world, Danish churches are already forced to marry gay couples.

You mean the State Church of Denmark?

Yeah, I imagine they would be.

Was about to comment this. This is one of the consequences of not completely separating church and state... when the government moves forward, so does your church. However, if separate, a little bit more freedom is given to your religion, at the cost of some political power... interesting trade off.

[Sun Wukong]

You mean the State Church of Denmark?

Yeah, I imagine they would be.

Was about to comment this. This is one of the consequences of not completely separating church and state... when the government moves forward, so does your church. However, if separate, a little bit more freedom is given to your religion, at the cost of some political power... interesting trade off.

Except for, as the US and Europe have proven, it's not a trade off at all. Religion has far more political power in the States. The State Churches of Europe are mostly weak, tepid little things.

But essentially yes.

[Sensual Boy by Klaus]

The fine line is when equality becomes rent-seeking, "gibs me dat", and "check your privilege".

[Qanchia]

Keep telling yourself that. Meanwhile in the real world, Danish churches are already forced to marry gay couples.

Unsupported assertions, eh? I'm convinced.

I have never made an unsupported assertion. Ever.

You mean the State Church of Denmark?

Yeah, I imagine they would be.

Was about to comment this. This is one of the consequences of not completely separating church and state... when the government moves forward, so does your church. However, if separate, a little bit more freedom is given to your religion, at the cost of some political power... interesting trade off.

So the argument has changed from "no-one is forcing churches to marry homosexual couples" to "no-one is forcing churches to marry homosexual couples, except when the church is of the state religion".

[Ifreann]

The fine line is when equality becomes rent-seeking, "gibs me dat", and "check your privilege".

I see you're ignoring even the OP and responding only to the title.

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Unsupported assertions, eh? I'm convinced.

I have never made an unsupported assertion. Ever.

Are you joking?

Was about to comment this. This is one of the consequences of not completely separating church and state... when the government moves forward, so does your church. However, if separate, a little bit more freedom is given to your religion, at the cost of some political power... interesting trade off.

So the argument has changed from "no-one is forcing churches to marry homosexual couples" to "no-one is forcing churches to marry homosexual couples, except when the church is of the state religion".

Oh, I'm not changing my argument, to be clear.