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Postby New Stephania » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:46 am

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:For the last time she's not trying to make her child gay

She's not, but she's clearly expressing that she wishes her child were gay. She also describes herself in the article as a "slightly overbearing pro-gay gay mom". If this article were the other way around people would rightly be telling her "relax, it doesn't matter, we're trying to get past this as a society" and rightly so, she would probably be saying the same.

She made a point of writing this article, probably as click-bait and identity politicking, and I for one wish she didn't bother because it's only going to be used as ammunition.
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Postby Ganos Lao » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:46 am

Zalavk wrote:Homophobia will drag our planet back into times of hate, intolerance and suffering. Since the legalization of homosexuality in many western nations, people have accepted that equality for homosexuals is the best options.


Drag our planet back into? Hate to break it to you, but it's not like we left those times.



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Postby Dakini » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:47 am

New Waterford wrote:This attitude is no better than that of homophobic parents who don't want their kids to be gay.

"I'll love my child no matter the choices she makes." is no better than the attitude of homophobic parents who want their gay kids to be straight?

Seriously, read the actual article, not the version the OP invented.

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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:50 am

New Stephania wrote:
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:For the last time she's not trying to make her child gay

She's not, but she's clearly expressing that she wishes her child were gay. If this article were the other way around people would rightly be telling her "relax, it doesn't matter, we're trying to get past this as a society" and rightly so, she would probably be saying the same. She also describes herself in the article as a "slightly overbearing pro-gay gay mom".

She made a point of writing this article, probably as click-bait and identity politicking, and I for one wish she didn't bother because it's only going to be used as ammunition.

If you would actually read the article she doesn't want her child to be gay, she wants her child to be a normal child. She just wishes that she had the ability to raise her daughter well, and considering that she's gay, she doesn't have all the answers to raising a straight child. So, she would much prefer her daughter being the same as her so that she could raise her without fear of fucking up.
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Postby Iwassoclose » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:52 am

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:
Iwassoclose wrote:
This is her statement



but then there are nuggets like this




that makes me question her last statement.

You just don't know how to read apparently.


Do you really think that she isn't pushing homosexuality towards her child? She says it multiple times throughout the article.

It is analogous to someone making saying "I am not racist but..." then following up with a racist comment.

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Postby Dakini » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:54 am

Iwassoclose wrote:Do you really think that she isn't pushing homosexuality towards her child? She says it multiple times throughout the article.

It is analogous to someone making saying "I am not racist but..." then following up with a racist comment.

...except not.

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Postby New Stephania » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:54 am

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:If you would actually read the article she doesn't want her child to be gay, she wants her child to be a normal child. She just wishes that she had the ability to raise her daughter well, and considering that she's gay, she doesn't have all the answers to raising a straight child. So, she would much prefer her daughter being the same as her so that she could raise her without fear of fucking up.

I read the whole article, not just the title, but you seem to be doing the opposite and ignoring the title. Also immediately following the first paragraph she devotes a block-spaced sentence to "I’m gay. And I want my kid to be gay, too."

I'm not saying she's trying to indoctrinate her kid into growing up gay, I am saying she's completely aware of her bias and seems to make a point of admitting she doesn't think anything of it, yet if things were the other way around she would probably be saying "relax, it doesn't matter, we're trying to get past this as a society".

tl;dr I am saying this is a conscious political click-bait piece. Frankly a very successful one as I am giving it more attention than I should.
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Postby Iwassoclose » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:55 am

Dakini wrote:
Iwassoclose wrote:Do you really think that she isn't pushing homosexuality towards her child? She says it multiple times throughout the article.

It is analogous to someone making saying "I am not racist but..." then following up with a racist comment.

...except not.


Go read the article.

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Postby Dakini » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:57 am

Iwassoclose wrote:
Dakini wrote:...except not.


Go read the article.

I did. At no point did the author say "But I’m going to support my daughter, whatever choices she makes. However, breeders are a bunch of stupid assholes." or anything like that.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:58 am

Iwassoclose wrote:
Dakini wrote:...except not.


Go read the article.

We only have access to the one in the Washington Post, not the one in your head.
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Postby Iwassoclose » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:02 am

Dakini wrote:I did. At no point did the author say "But I’m going to support my daughter, whatever choices she makes. However, breeders are really stupid." or anything like that.


I support my daughter but I prefer her to be gay.

But okay. Clearly she is unbiased in how she is rearing her child :lol2:

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Postby Iwassoclose » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:04 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Iwassoclose wrote:
Go read the article.

We only have access to the one in the Washington Post, not the one in your head.


You say you have access to the Washington Post but it looks like you haven't read it at all.

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Postby Dakini » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:06 am

Iwassoclose wrote:
Dakini wrote:I did. At no point did the author say "But I’m going to support my daughter, whatever choices she makes. However, breeders are really stupid." or anything like that.


I support my daughter but I prefer her to be gay.

But okay. Clearly she is unbiased in how she is rearing her child :lol2:

Dude, no parents are unbiased in how they raise their children... and that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Seriously, did you skip over the part where she was saying that she wishes her daughter wouldn't want to be an artist (because artists tend to have issues with financial security), but that she would support her daughter if that's what she chose? That doesn't mean she hates artists.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:07 am

Iwassoclose wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:We only have access to the one in the Washington Post, not the one in your head.


You say you have access to the Washington Post but it looks like you haven't read it at all.

You have yet to support that notion. But you did find the smiley list, so that's something.
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Postby Desperate Measures » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:07 am

Dakini wrote:
Iwassoclose wrote:
I support my daughter but I prefer her to be gay.

But okay. Clearly she is unbiased in how she is rearing her child :lol2:

Dude, no parents are unbiased in how they raise their children... and that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Seriously, did you skip over the part where she was saying that she wishes her daughter wouldn't want to be an artist (because artists tend to have issues with financial security), but that she would support her daughter if that's what she chose? That doesn't mean she hates artists.

But why is she against the arts? This is racism.
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Postby Dakini » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:08 am

Desperate Measures wrote:
Dakini wrote:Dude, no parents are unbiased in how they raise their children... and that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Seriously, did you skip over the part where she was saying that she wishes her daughter wouldn't want to be an artist (because artists tend to have issues with financial security), but that she would support her daughter if that's what she chose? That doesn't mean she hates artists.

But why is she against the arts? This is racism.

Why does she wish her child will become a financially successful adult? Classism! She obviously hates poor people!
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Postby Desperate Measures » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:11 am

:lol:
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Postby Digital Planets » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:12 am

Dakini wrote:
Desperate Measures wrote:But why is she against the arts? This is racism.

Why does she wish her child will become a financially successful adult? Classism! She obviously hates poor people!


I hate poor people. I also hate homeless people.

Consider me a FaClassist.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:13 am

Dakini wrote:
Desperate Measures wrote:But why is she against the arts? This is racism.

Why does she wish her child will become a financially successful adult? Classism! She obviously hates poor people!

If this article was on infowars and she said she wanted to set her child on fire, liberals would tear their own heads off and drop kick them into their neighbor's yard! Hypocrisy!
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Postby Digital Planets » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:14 am

Nevermind.
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Postby Royal Zakinian Empire » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:14 am

bad, she should let the girl make her own choices regarding her sexuality.
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Postby Iwassoclose » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:14 am

The circle jerk... :arrow:

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Postby Desperate Measures » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:15 am

Royal Zakinian Empire wrote:bad, she should let the girl make her own choices regarding her sexuality.

Good thing she is, then?
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Postby Dakini » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:17 am

Iwassoclose wrote:The circle jerk... :arrow:

Aww, someone's sad that other people are calling them on their bullshit.

Here, let me play you the world's smallest violin, maybe it will help soothe your butthurt.

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Postby Iwassoclose » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:18 am

Desperate Measures wrote:
Royal Zakinian Empire wrote:bad, she should let the girl make her own choices regarding her sexuality.

Good thing she is, then?


By forcing homosexuality on her and telling her how much better her life would be.

She is conditioning her kid.

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