I'm gay, so my child must be as well.

[Dakini]

The tinfoil hats are fashionable?

I think I have my next origami project now.

[New Stephania]

At lest our views didn't get political and take over the world to win elections.

I think you just described America in a nutshell, to be honest.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

If I'm not very much mistaken I also detect a hint of hypocrisy. I dare say that this Christainville person is a Christian. I wonder what they have to say about the Christian tradition of inducting one's children into the Christian religion when they are still newborns. My money's on him not having a problem with it.


I'll allow it.

I am a Christian, and I was never inducted into the church. First off, it works every salvation for every man, so you can be introduced to something day and night and never personally except it. So, I was never inducted to it, I haven't been to a church in ages, but I still keep my faith, so its lots of us that were never inducted to this as babies, and are a part of it for the record.

I would love to know how these 2 tie into each other. Because parents forced stuff on their kids? Because parents want things for their kids? At lest our views didn't get political and take over the world to win elections.

oh my god

[Mondoncon]

If I'm not very much mistaken I also detect a hint of hypocrisy. I dare say that this Christainville person is a Christian. I wonder what they have to say about the Christian tradition of inducting one's children into the Christian religion when they are still newborns. My money's on him not having a problem with it.


I'll allow it.

I am a Christian, and I was never inducted into the church. First off, it works every salvation for every man, so you can be introduced to something day and night and never personally except it. So, I was never inducted to it, I haven't been to a church in ages, but I still keep my faith, so its lots of us that were never inducted to this as babies, and are a part of it for the record.

I would love to know how these 2 tie into each other. Because parents forced stuff on their kids? Because parents want things for their kids? At lest our views didn't get political and take over the world to win elections.

Yeah, of course they don't. Christians just spent the last 600 years spreading peace and rainbows everywhere and all those natives just had allergic reactions in the form of bullet holes.

[Christainville]

if I wanted to force the point of her forcing her child to be gay, I could do much better then this for the record.

With this article, you have to read into, it really shows how the media gets our attention, to a conservative this is a war statement, to a liberal its a statement of love for her daughter and a hope that she can properly raise her on all ideas. I always find it interesting how the same thing can create so many views on all sides.

My issue is, I can look right past all the I want, but never forget I do accept parts. Its kinda of like a, yes I want this and that, but to ensure no one puts a hit out on me, I need to say this and that, kind of write up. She references people being born gay, how she teacher child about gay through play, to be frank, does it matter? The child will be what it is, this was just a typical media political statement to get views, and then promote the, I can force something in soft matter people will love idea, politics, especially in certain sectors, have always done this.

Don't pay attention to what the words are actually saying? Everything is doublespeak? The tinfoil hats are fashionable?

If this was a fox news article about a parent trying to raise their kid straight, it would be a issue, homophobic, and plain stupid; other way around, and its loving and caring. The media never tells a story straight. Her personal political views in the article always outshine anything else, therefore. She wants her child to be gay, would love for it to happen, really hopes it will, and shows sadness that her child doesn't seem to be going that way, yet to ensure this isn't seen as abusive, we have to make sure I always say, it would be okay either way it goes. Typical media set up to bring in views, with little outcry.

[Desperate Measures]

The tinfoil hats are fashionable?

I think I have my next origami project now.

I want pictures!

[Cannot think of a name]

Compare the title of this thread and the title of the article.
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Compare the OP's summation or part of the article with the actual text.
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The OP is making this out as though Sally Kohn is trying to force her daughter to be gay, when what she's doing is combating the perception that being gay is a bad thing, a perception held even by gay people, by explaining how she wants her daughter to be gay because she feels that being gay has improved her own life and could improve her daughter's.

if I wanted to force the point of her forcing her child to be gay, I could do much better then this for the record.

Well, you couldn't have done worse, so it stands to reason.

With this article, you have to read into,

You really don't.

it really shows how the media gets our attention, to a conservative this is a war statement, to a liberal its a statement of love for her daughter and a hope that she can properly raise her on all ideas. I always find it interesting how the same thing can create so many views on all sides.

The article doesn't do that, you do that. You are using dogwhistles, you are relying on people not reading through to push an interpretation that is not there. You are the one who is using loaded words not present in the article to push an idea. This isn't 'the media', this is you. You are doing this. You.

My issue is, I can look right past all the I want, but never forget I do accept parts.

Uh...what?

Its kinda of like a, yes I want this and that, but to ensure no one puts a hit out on me, I need to say this and that, kind of write up.

Are you projecting now or something?

She references people being born gay, how she teacher child about gay through play, to be frank, does it matter?

Because they're born gay but taught to be a bigot. This might actually be too complicated an idea for you...maybe we should take baby steps.

The child will be what it is, this was just a typical media political statement to get views,

You mean like creating a deliberately salacious and misleading title and misinterpretation of an article in order to guide responses and get views and the responses you want in a thread? That kind of thing? Yes, you should be ashamed of yourself.

and then promote the, I can force something in soft matter people will love idea, politics, especially in certain sectors, have always done this.

What?

[Dakini]

If I'm not very much mistaken I also detect a hint of hypocrisy. I dare say that this Christainville person is a Christian. I wonder what they have to say about the Christian tradition of inducting one's children into the Christian religion when they are still newborns. My money's on him not having a problem with it.


I'll allow it.

I am a Christian, and I was never inducted into the church. First off, it works every salvation for every man, so you can be introduced to something day and night and never personally except it. So, I was never inducted to it, I haven't been to a church in ages, but I still keep my faith, so its lots of us that were never inducted to this as babies, and are a part of it for the record.

I would love to know how these 2 tie into each other. Because parents forced stuff on their kids? Because parents want things for their kids? At lest our views didn't get political and take over the world to win elections.

Oh. You were serious with that last line?

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

Don't pay attention to what the words are actually saying? Everything is doublespeak? The tinfoil hats are fashionable?

If this was a fox news article about a parent trying to raise their kid straight, it would be a issue, homophobic, and plain stupid; other way around, and its loving and caring. The media never tells a story straight. Her personal political views in the article always outshine anything else, therefore. She wants her child to be gay, would love for it to happen, really hopes it will, and shows sadness that her child doesn't seem to be going that way, yet to ensure this isn't seen as abusive, we have to make sure I always say, it would be okay either way it goes. Typical media set up to bring in views, with little outcry.

For the last time she's not trying to make her child gay

[Christainville]

I am a Christian, and I was never inducted into the church. First off, it works every salvation for every man, so you can be introduced to something day and night and never personally except it. So, I was never inducted to it, I haven't been to a church in ages, but I still keep my faith, so its lots of us that were never inducted to this as babies, and are a part of it for the record.

I would love to know how these 2 tie into each other. Because parents forced stuff on their kids? Because parents want things for their kids? At lest our views didn't get political and take over the world to win elections.

Yeah, of course they don't. Christians just spent the last 600 years spreading peace and rainbows everywhere and all those natives just had allergic reactions in the form of bullet holes.

I doubt any of us here were around 600 years ago, so we have no control over that, so feel free to bring it up all day, but I cant do anything about it.

[Dakini]

I think I have my next origami project now.

I want pictures!

It probably won't be until later in the week.


...and might depend on how suitable aluminum foil actually is for making origami.

[Mondoncon]

Don't pay attention to what the words are actually saying? Everything is doublespeak? The tinfoil hats are fashionable?

If this was a fox news article about a parent trying to raise their kid straight, it would be a issue, homophobic, and plain stupid; other way around, and its loving and caring. The media never tells a story straight. Her personal political views in the article always outshine anything else, therefore. She wants her child to be gay, would love for it to happen, really hopes it will, and shows sadness that her child doesn't seem to be going that way, yet to ensure this isn't seen as abusive, we have to make sure I always say, it would be okay either way it goes. Typical media set up to bring in views, with little outcry.

Why is it bad to show your child that heterosexuality isn't the only way to live? What if her child does learn he's (she? ze?) gay? Suppose she didn't do this. Suppose she was also straight, and she never introduced her child to homosexual role models. Her child would take the societal view of gay people to heart, because s/he might feel that s/he can't talk to her mother about it. Or maybe she does, and that's the end of it. Either way, she'd run the risk of being in the closet for years, causing untold mental damage.

The mother is not forcing her child to be gay. She's showing her child it's normal.

[Desperate Measures]

Don't pay attention to what the words are actually saying? Everything is doublespeak? The tinfoil hats are fashionable?

If this was a fox news article about a parent trying to raise their kid straight, it would be a issue, homophobic, and plain stupid; other way around, and its loving and caring. The media never tells a story straight. Her personal political views in the article always outshine anything else, therefore. She wants her child to be gay, would love for it to happen, really hopes it will, and shows sadness that her child doesn't seem to be going that way, yet to ensure this isn't seen as abusive, we have to make sure I always say, it would be okay either way it goes. Typical media set up to bring in views, with little outcry.

I've read articles where straight parents were like, "My kid is saying gay things. And I love my kid but it's making me uncomfortable because I know nothing about it. So, this is what I started doing..." and on into doing things that broaden the views of both parent and child. That's not homophobic. That's like the opposite.

[Mondoncon]

Yeah, of course they don't. Christians just spent the last 600 years spreading peace and rainbows everywhere and all those natives just had allergic reactions in the form of bullet holes.

I doubt any of us here were around 600 years ago, so we have no control over that, so feel free to bring it up all day, but I cant do anything about it.

Historical perspective is necessary to analyze modern society. Without it, you are blind.

[Christainville]

I doubt any of us here were around 600 years ago, so we have no control over that, so feel free to bring it up all day, but I cant do anything about it.

Historical perspective is necessary to analyze modern society. Without it, you are blind.

that's a good point.

[Digital Planets]

Yeah, of course they don't. Christians just spent the last 600 years spreading peace and rainbows everywhere and all those natives just had allergic reactions in the form of bullet holes.

I doubt any of us here were around 600 years ago, so we have no control over that, so feel free to bring it up all day, but I cant do anything about it.

Can confirm, 600-year old man here. Spent plenty of time over the ages with various women and snorting cocaine. AMA.

[Dakini]

Don't pay attention to what the words are actually saying? Everything is doublespeak? The tinfoil hats are fashionable?

If this was a fox news article about a parent trying to raise their kid straight, it would be a issue, homophobic, and plain stupid; other way around, and its loving and caring.

That's not what the article is about.

The media never tells a story straight.

The story is written by the author, who is a journalist. I think she managed to tell her own story just fine.

Her personal political views in the article always outshine anything else, therefore.

Therefore what?

She wants her child to be gay, would love for it to happen, really hopes it will, and shows sadness that her child doesn't seem to be going that way, yet to ensure this isn't seen as abusive, we have to make sure I always say, it would be okay either way it goes.

It's not abusive because this woman isn't behaving in an abusive manner toward her child. I don't know what you think abuse is, but suggesting slight changes in your child's story when they're playing with their stuffed animals is not abuse.

Typical media set up to bring in views, with little outcry.

Except among people who prefer to invent new stories out of whole cloth instead of reading the words that are actually written in an article.

[Iwassoclose]

If this was a fox news article about a parent trying to raise their kid straight, it would be a issue, homophobic, and plain stupid; other way around, and its loving and caring. The media never tells a story straight. Her personal political views in the article always outshine anything else, therefore. She wants her child to be gay, would love for it to happen, really hopes it will, and shows sadness that her child doesn't seem to be going that way, yet to ensure this isn't seen as abusive, we have to make sure I always say, it would be okay either way it goes. Typical media set up to bring in views, with little outcry.

For the last time she's not trying to make her child gay

This is her statement

But I’m going to support my daughter, whatever choices she makes.

but then there are nuggets like this

I’m gay. And I want my kid to be gay, too.

If my daughter is gay, I don’t worry about her having a hard life.

that makes me question her last statement.

[Zakuvia]

Well, apart from the little tinge of insanity that's come over the thread as of late, I'd like to point out that isn't it common knowledge that the harder you force a concept onto a child, the more they'll rebel against it? She's practically guaranteeing her...six year old...will be a man-loving subservient cog in the patriarchal hegemony

By the way, is this not a discussion about a SIX YEAR OLD!? For god's sake, at six years old you'd have thought I was just about every proclivity known to man. Because...y'know, I didn't think about it at SIX YEARS OLD.

This 'parent' is an imbecile. I'm thinking of forwarding this to Fox so I can watch them writhe in apoplexy.

[Cannot think of a name]

Don't pay attention to what the words are actually saying? Everything is doublespeak? The tinfoil hats are fashionable?

If this was a fox news article about a parent trying to raise their kid straight, it would be a issue, homophobic, and plain stupid; other way around, and its loving and caring.

Oh, Alternate Reality, when will you ever get your shit together?

The media never tells a story straight.

You keep saying "the media"...you...you're the one not 'telling the story straight'...unless you use 'straight' as a sad kind of pun.

Her personal political views in the article always outshine anything else, therefore. She wants her child to be gay, would love for it to happen, really hopes it will, and shows sadness that her child doesn't seem to be going that way, yet to ensure this isn't seen as abusive, we have to make sure I always say, it would be okay either way it goes.

Yeah, that little motivation you put in there...that's all you.

Typical media set up to bring in views, with little outcry.

Again...you're the one doing this.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

For the last time she's not trying to make her child gay

This is her statement

But I’m going to support my daughter, whatever choices she makes.

but then there are nuggets like this

I’m gay. And I want my kid to be gay, too.

If my daughter is gay, I don’t worry about her having a hard life.

that makes me question her last statement.

You just don't know how to read apparently.

[Cannot think of a name]

Well, apart from the little tinge of insanity that's come over the thread as of late, I'd like to point out that isn't it common knowledge that the harder you force a concept onto a child, the more they'll rebel against it? She's practically guaranteeing her...six year old...will be a man-loving subservient cog in the patriarchal hegemony

By the way, is this not a discussion about a SIX YEAR OLD!? For god's sake, at six years old you'd have thought I was just about every proclivity known to man. Because...y'know, I didn't think about it at SIX YEARS OLD.

This 'parent' is an imbecile. I'm thinking of forwarding this to Fox so I can watch them writhe in apoplexy.

Read the article, not the OP's fictional account of the article.

[Dakini]

This is her statement



but then there are nuggets like this




that makes me question her last statement.

You just don't know how to read apparently.

See also: failure to understand that parents can and do love their children even when their children make choices the parents are unhappy with. For example, see every person who did not become a medical doctor who has not been disowned by their parents.

[New Waterford]

This attitude is no better than that of homophobic parents who don't want their kids to be gay.

[Ifreann]

Compare the title of this thread and the title of the article.
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Compare the OP's summation or part of the article with the actual text.
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The OP is making this out as though Sally Kohn is trying to force her daughter to be gay, when what she's doing is combating the perception that being gay is a bad thing, a perception held even by gay people, by explaining how she wants her daughter to be gay because she feels that being gay has improved her own life and could improve her daughter's.

if I wanted to force the point of her forcing her child to be gay, I could do much better then this for the record.


With this article, you have to read into, it really see how the media gets our attention, to a conservative this is a war statement, to a liberal its a statement of love for her daughter and a hope that she can properly raise her on all ideas. I always find it interesting how the same thing can create so many views on all sides.

It's not a matter of conservative vs liberal. It's a matter of honesty vs dishonesty. You are being dishonest about the content of this article in an attempt to further an anti-gay agenda. There are, no doubt, many cases of liberals being dishonest to further their various agendas. Saly Kohn, on the other hand, is being honest in her attempts to further her agenda. Or so it seems to me.

My issue is, I can look right past all the I want, but never forget I do. Its kinda of like a, yes I want this and that, but to ensure no one puts a hit out on me, I need to say this and that, kind of write up.

Exactly why do you think that this is the case?

She references people being born gay,

She references the idea of people being born gay. I wouldn't say that she believes it herself.

how she teacher child about gay through play,

Of course she does. She's raising her daughter with another woman, it would be stupid for her not to teach her daughter that people can have two mothers or two father and there's nothing wrong with that.

to be frank, does it matter? The child will be what it is, this was just a typical media political statement to get views, and then promote the, I can force something in soft matter people will love idea, politics, especially in certain sectors, have always done this.

Sally Kohn, according to herself, is a politically active human being, an activist, writer, and TV personality. Exactly what is the problem with her writing an article in such a way as to get people to read it? What is the problem with her writing an article that advances her political views and agenda?