I'm gay, so my child must be as well.

[Myrensis]

Am I the only one who felt that the article was more about the mother feeling unsure how to handle a hetero child and feeling awkward than it was about her actually wanting to make her daughter gay? I saw it as mostly like, "I just realized that I don't have these experiences and I am uncomfortable, where I wouldn't be if she were gay, so I wish she would be" and not so much "I want to turn my daughter into a raging roller-derby-lesbian."

As an LGBT person I feel it's more about a gay mother who takes her identity politics far too seriously. At the end of the article she says she'll support her daughter even if she turns out straight as if she's settling for it and it's not really good enough, many in the LGBT community would rightfully question this if the shoe were on the other foot.

I think some people are rather overhyping her supposed to desire to 'force' her daughter to be gay. The only thing the article says is that when her daughter plays 'house' with 'mom' and 'dad' toys, they remind her that it's okay if it was 2 mommy's or 2 daddy's as well.

Really all I'm seeing is that supportive gay parents with straight kids are.....just like supportive straight parents with gay kids. They might hope, for a variety of reasons, that their child has a particular sexual orientation, but as long they're loving and supportive, I don't really see an issue.

[New Stephania]

Nothing about that suggests that she wants to teach her daughter that being gay is more desirable.

Are you people INTENTIONALLY ignoring 95% of the article?

For the last time:

That is what I was telling Iwassoclose.

I will write it again so that you understand. This is what I was telling Iwassoclose:
"Nothing about that suggests that she wants to teach her daughter that being gay is more desirable."

Do you understand now after getting on my case butting in to the middle of a conversation?

[Mavorpen]

Only if you didn't read it. She goes into substantial detail.

Going into detail doesn't make something clearer. She used convoluted wording throughout the article, and it's not out of place to be confused.

Don't defend poor journalism just because it appears someone is trying to discredit a parent.

So the problem isn't that it isn't clear, it's that you don't understand it. Well then that's your own personal problem. Don't project your failures onto the rest of us.

[Desperate Measures]

Only if you didn't read it. She goes into substantial detail.

Going into detail doesn't make something clearer. She used convoluted wording throughout the article, and it's not out of place to be confused.

Don't defend poor journalism just because it appears someone is trying to discredit a parent.

"I’m a slightly overbearing pro-gay gay mom. But I’m going to support my daughter, whatever choices she makes."

It just seems pretty clear to me.

[Mavorpen]

Nothing about that suggests that she wants to teach her daughter that being gay is more desirable.

Are you people INTENTIONALLY ignoring 95% of the article?

For the last time:

That is what I was telling Iwassoclose.

Good for you. I don't care nor does it matter to what I posted.

[New Stephania]

Good for you. I don't care nor does it matter to what I posted.

Fuck me sideways.

[Mondoncon]

Going into detail doesn't make something clearer. She used convoluted wording throughout the article, and it's not out of place to be confused.

Don't defend poor journalism just because it appears someone is trying to discredit a parent.

So the problem isn't that it isn't clear, it's that you don't understand it. Well then that's your own personal problem. Don't project your failures onto the rest of us.

The issue is that it isn't clear. That's not my issue either, because this isn't about me.

What is your problem, exactly? I don't believe we've spoken long enough for you to make a judgement on my reading comprehension.

[Chaunceys]

She's a very silly person and she's already quickly finding out what many straight parents are finding out: Being gay is not a choice.

Ultimately childhood is about investigating and learning, it's best not to hamper that process unless something is actually wrong.

I cannot express how much I face palmed about what this women is saying. Just because she is gay doesn't mean her child would be, being gay isn't a choice and she cannot exactly change that and needs to accept her child we be who they want to be.

[Ifreann]

She did flesh out why she wants her daughter to be gay. Because she believes that she would be who she is and where she is today if she were not gay.

You misunderstand. She left this statement open to interpretation by not fleshing it out:

"It’s more widely acceptable to be gay in America today, but that’s not the same as being desirable. In my house, though, it is."

She could either mean that homosexuality or more desirable than heterosexuality, as Iwassoclose seems to think, or that homosexuality is no more or less desirable.

I don't see how one could interpret her as saying anything other than her saying that she wants her daughter to be gay even though that is not a common position in America.

[Mavorpen]

So the problem isn't that it isn't clear, it's that you don't understand it. Well then that's your own personal problem. Don't project your failures onto the rest of us.

The issue is that it isn't clear. That's not my issue either, because this isn't about me.

What is your problem, exactly? I don't believe we've spoken long enough for you to make a judgement on my reading comprehension.

No, it's your issue. The vast majority of people here actually understands it with no difficulty. At some point the notion that it isn't clear becomes just plain stupid.

I'm not. It's just that for whatever reason on this particular case you've failed to understand something extremely straightforward.

[New Stephania]

You misunderstand. She left this statement open to interpretation by not fleshing it out:

"It’s more widely acceptable to be gay in America today, but that’s not the same as being desirable. In my house, though, it is."

She could either mean that homosexuality or more desirable than heterosexuality, as Iwassoclose seems to think, or that homosexuality is no more or less desirable.

I don't see how one could interpret her as saying anything other than her saying that she wants her daughter to be gay even though that is not a common position in America.

Teaching her child that being gay is more desirable than being straight is a different matter, that is what Iwassoclose claims she was saying in the specific sentence I quoted. I was saying that she didn't flesh out the sentence and may have just meant that being gay is no less desirable than being straight.

[Cetacea]

I'm more concerned about the mother labelling her 6 year old as "boy crazy"

that mother needs help for her issues or the childs life is gonna be rotten regardless of her gender conceptions

[Cannot think of a name]

So the problem isn't that it isn't clear, it's that you don't understand it. Well then that's your own personal problem. Don't project your failures onto the rest of us.

The issue is that it isn't clear. That's not my issue either, because this isn't about me.

What is your problem, exactly? I don't believe we've spoken long enough for you to make a judgement on my reading comprehension.

We only have your current total failure to go on.

[Mondoncon]

The issue is that it isn't clear. That's not my issue either, because this isn't about me.

What is your problem, exactly? I don't believe we've spoken long enough for you to make a judgement on my reading comprehension.

No, it's your issue. The vast majority of people here actually understands it with no difficulty. At some point the notion that it isn't clear becomes just plain stupid.

I'm not. It's just that for whatever reason on this particular case you've failed to understand something extremely straightforward.

Again, it's not my issue because this isn't about me. Were you following? I'm only pointing out that it isn't perfectly clear, and using language like "It's obvious that she ___" is misleading.

I have all of 8 posts, this one included. You don't have the knowledge to actually know this is a "particular" case, and your overtly absolute language doesn't fit.

[Dakini]

I'm more concerned about the mother labelling her 6 year old as "boy crazy"

That definitely happens.

that mother needs help for her issues or the childs life is gonna be rotten regardless of her gender conceptions

You know that we're talking about a parent who spends enough time attentively playing with her kid that she's suggesting alterations to the kid's stuffed animal story, right?

I think she's probably doing a fine job.

[Mavorpen]

Again, it's not my issue because this isn't about me. Were you following? I'm only pointing out that it isn't perfectly clear,

Except it's perfectly clear.

and using language like "It's obvious that she ___" is misleading.

Stating facts is not misleading.

I have all of 8 posts, this one included. You don't have the knowledge to actually know this is a "particular" case, and your overtly absolute language doesn't fit.

The word "particular" in this case is used to indicate an individual instance. It has utterly no indication on whether you're claiming that this is an exceptional case or one representative of a general trend.

If you don't even get THAT, I can now understand why you don't understand this straightforward and obvious article.

[Mondoncon]

I'm more concerned about the mother labelling her 6 year old as "boy crazy"

that mother needs help for her issues or the childs life is gonna be rotten regardless of her gender conceptions

Hey, she's six. Most six year olds don't care about dating and stuff. But when you have a parent who's willing to discuss risky topics with their child, it's no surprise that she'll have feelings. It is learned (expression of feelings, not the feelings), after all.

[Mondoncon]

Again, it's not my issue because this isn't about me. Were you following? I'm only pointing out that it isn't perfectly clear,

Except it's perfectly clear.

and using language like "It's obvious that she ___" is misleading.

Stating facts is not misleading.

I have all of 8 posts, this one included. You don't have the knowledge to actually know this is a "particular" case, and your overtly absolute language doesn't fit.

The word "particular" in this case is used to indicate an individual instance. It has utterly no indication on whether you're claiming that this is an exceptional case or one representative of a general trend.

If you don't even get THAT, I can now understand why you don't understand this straightforward and obvious article.

I'm interested in level, calm discussion. Not someone jumping down my throat for perceived failures. You'll have to forgive me if I decide to talk about this with someone else.

[Desperate Measures]

I'm more concerned about the mother labelling her 6 year old as "boy crazy"

that mother needs help for her issues or the childs life is gonna be rotten regardless of her gender conceptions

Hey, she's six. Most six year olds don't care about dating and stuff. But when you have a parent who's willing to discuss risky topics with their child, it's no surprise that she'll have feelings. It is learned (expression of feelings, not the feelings), after all.

My 7 year old will tell you she has a boyfriend. Stephen. It's a boy she knew in pre-k that she hasn't seen in two years. Kids play with the idea of relationships. It's what they do.

[Mavorpen]

I'm interested in level, calm discussion.

No, you're interested in avoiding posts that are inconvenient for you.

Not someone jumping down my throat for perceived failures.

Telling someone they're wrong is "jumping down their throat?" And no, this isn't merely a perceived failure. This is one obvious to the vast majority of people here.

You'll have to forgive me if I decide to talk about this with someone else.

I find that funny because you ignored a perfect opportunity to do such.

You misunderstand. She left this statement open to interpretation by not fleshing it out:

"It’s more widely acceptable to be gay in America today, but that’s not the same as being desirable. In my house, though, it is."

She could either mean that homosexuality or more desirable than heterosexuality, as Iwassoclose seems to think, or that homosexuality is no more or less desirable.

She does flesh it out, there's two whole damn paragraphs fleshing it out-

Here you might expect me to say something about how, if my daughter were gay, she would undoubtedly face challenges and hurdles she wouldn’t encounter if she were straight. Maybe. And maybe if I weren’t an upper-middle-class white lesbian living in a liberal city, I’d have such worries. But no matter what, I’d want my child to be herself. If I lived in, say, North Carolina, with an adopted son from Morocco, I’d like to think I would encourage him to be Muslim, if that’s what he chose. I’d do this even though his life would probably be easier if he didn’t. It’s also easier to succeed as a dentist than an artist. But if my daughter wants to be an artist, I’ll encourage her all the way — and work to destroy any barriers along her path, not put them up myself.

Plus, I’ve never for a single second regretted being gay, nor saw it as anything other than an asset and a gift. My parents were ridiculously supportive from Day One, and I had a great community of friends and mentors who made me feel unconditionally accepted. By the time my daughter comes of age, she’ll have even more of a support network, including two moms, for crying out loud.

You guys keep repeating that sentence like the article is only two lines long.

Of course this one just happens to utterly dismantle this silly notion of yours that the article isn't clear.

[Mondoncon]

Hey, she's six. Most six year olds don't care about dating and stuff. But when you have a parent who's willing to discuss risky topics with their child, it's no surprise that she'll have feelings. It is learned (expression of feelings, not the feelings), after all.

My 7 year old will tell you she has a boyfriend. Stephen. It's a boy she knew in pre-k that she hasn't seen in two years. Kids play with the idea of relationships. It's what they do.

Indeed. I remember a nice Israeli boy in second grade who gave me a bunch of dandelions as a bouquet because he liked me. Can't say that's anything but innocent child's play.

Edit: although you should probably talk to your daughter about how relationships have something of a time limit on not seeing each other and not being an item. But I'm sure she'll just go, "eh, new boy" and figure the same for herself, kids are smart.

[Aequalitia]

First off my source.
http://tablet.washingtonpost.com/top/im ... story.html

Now, here is a general description.

This mother, who happens to be gay, wants her child to be as well. Her daughter is 6, and in play her mothers try's to enforce a acceptance of gay relationships. For a example, when her daughter played with toys, using one as a mother, and one as a father; her mother enforced that there can be 2 dads, and 2 moms. In her own words, "Time will tell, but so far, it doesn’t look like my 6-year-old daughter is gay. In fact, she’s boy crazy. It seems early to me, but I’m trying to be supportive.". So, the child already has shown her more straight leanings in the mother eyes, and to the mother, its hurts. Her daughter is straight and not gay, but no matter the mother says she will be supportive.

The only real thing what she does 'wrong' is that she prefer more a daughter who likes the same sex then being straight. However at the same time, it looks that the mom wants to accept her daughter totally if she is straight. But even still, who says she is straight or not? I mean, she is 6, that's not an age where you are active busy and exploring you sexuality.

And btw, what's wrong with educating to you daughter that non-straight relationships can existing also? There is nothing wrong with educating you children that there are also some males existing who likes males, and some females like other females.

[Dakini]

I'm more concerned about the mother labelling her 6 year old as "boy crazy"

that mother needs help for her issues or the childs life is gonna be rotten regardless of her gender conceptions

Hey, she's six. Most six year olds don't care about dating and stuff. But when you have a parent who's willing to discuss risky topics with their child, it's no surprise that she'll have feelings. It is learned (expression of feelings, not the feelings), after all.

No, lots of six year olds have crushes on their classmates. That's pretty normal.

[Kura kingdom]

The iron knee.

THIS BITCH EMPTY

[Ifreann]

What is everybody so upset about. She says she loves her daughter no matter what. So what is she tries to move away from heteronormity. Every parent wants there child to be something, just because it doesn't happen doesn't mean the parent doesn't still love the child. I'm the disappointment in my family, but they still claim to love me.

People are upset because they're choosing to believe, despite there being no evidence to support this belief, that an evil lesbian is forcing her daughter to inherit the gay.

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I don't see how one could interpret her as saying anything other than her saying that she wants her daughter to be gay even though that is not a common position in America.

Teaching her child that being gay is more desirable than being straight is a different matter, that is what Iwassoclose claims she was saying in the specific sentence I quoted. I was saying that she didn't flesh out the sentence and may have just meant that being gay is no less desirable than being straight.

She didn't say anything about teaching her daughter any such thing in that sentence or any other. You may as well say that she left her feelings about BLTs open to interpretation.

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I'm more concerned about the mother labelling her 6 year old as "boy crazy"

What's concerning about that?

that mother needs help for her issues or the childs life is gonna be rotten regardless of her gender conceptions

What issues?