I'm gay, so my child must be as well.

[The Archregimancy]

"Parents want their children to be like them, non-homophobes oppose heteronormativity, Pope is indeed Catholic"

No he isn't.

Not necessarily, anyway.

[Ifreann]

Its right in the paper

I did forget about that quote, but what she meant is open to interpretation without the author fleshing it out. If she means she teaches her child being straight is undesirable then I am with you, if she means she teaches her child being gay or straight is just fine then it's not the same thing you are suggesting.

She did flesh out why she wants her daughter to be gay. Because she believes that she would be who she is and where she is today if she were not gay.

[Iwassoclose]

*shrug* Parents generally consider it desirable that their children go on to be financially successful. That doesn't mean that they don't support their children in their decisions to become artists.

I'm going to echo the "you didn't understand the point of the article" comment because you clearly didn't.

I understand it fine. But you guys are pretending as if her interactions and her preferences is not going to color her actions and bleed over to how she treats her child. She is no better then the straight parent interfering with their gay child while saying everything is fine. Leave the child be.

[Madiganistan]

"Parents want their children to be like them, non-homophobes oppose heteronormativity, Pope is indeed Catholic"

No he isn't.

Not necessarily, anyway.

Uhm he was quite obviously talking about this one.

[Desperate Measures]

*shrug* Parents generally consider it desirable that their children go on to be financially successful. That doesn't mean that they don't support their children in their decisions to become artists.

I'm going to echo the "you didn't understand the point of the article" comment because you clearly didn't.

I understand it fine. But you guys are pretending as if her interactions and her preferences is not going to color her actions and bleed over to how she treats her child. She is no better then the straight parent interfering with their gay child while saying everything is fine. Leave the child be.

Guide to parenting: Don't have a view. DO NOT INTERACT. Do not develop healthy conclusions.

[Imperializt Russia]

When else would she start going on about it? When she's teen, she'd probably just be too busy with Instagram (or whatever they will use then), and as an adult, I think she'd already decided on her sexuality.

Well, I'm 21 nearing 22 and I haven't, js.

[The Black Forrest]

Christians force their children to be Christian so why not?

Hint: You can't force someone to be gay.

[New Stephania]

I did forget about that quote, but what she meant is open to interpretation without the author fleshing it out. If she means she teaches her child being straight is undesirable then I am with you, if she means she teaches her child being gay or straight is just fine then it's not the same thing you are suggesting.

She did flesh out why she wants her daughter to be gay. Because she believes that she would be who she is and where she is today if she were not gay.

You misunderstand. She left this statement open to interpretation by not fleshing it out:

"It’s more widely acceptable to be gay in America today, but that’s not the same as being desirable. In my house, though, it is."

She could either mean that homosexuality or more desirable than heterosexuality, as Iwassoclose seems to think, or that homosexuality is no more or less desirable.

[Iwassoclose]

I understand it fine. But you guys are pretending as if her interactions and her preferences is not going to color her actions and bleed over to how she treats her child. She is no better then the straight parent interfering with their gay child while saying everything is fine. Leave the child be.

Guide to parenting: Don't have a view. DO NOT INTERACT. Do not develop healthy conclusions.

Oh have all the views you want, just don't force them on your kids.

Also, healthy conclusions? Because I am gay and successful, my daughter will also be successful if she is gay.

[Cannot think of a name]

*shrug* Parents generally consider it desirable that their children go on to be financially successful. That doesn't mean that they don't support their children in their decisions to become artists.

I'm going to echo the "you didn't understand the point of the article" comment because you clearly didn't.

I understand it fine. But you guys are pretending as if her interactions and her preferences is not going to color her actions and bleed over to how she treats her child.

Uh...no...no one is doing that.

She is no better then the straight parent interfering with their gay child while saying everything is fine. Leave the child be.

Without the loaded phrasing and unrealistic and frankly stupid notions regarding parenting a child you almost get it. Yes, Virginia, the article is about how just like heterosexual parents in a heteronormative society, a gay parent in a community where that is a comfortable norm she struggles to find a way to relate to a child that isn't like her and thinks it would be easier if she was.

It's this whole 'interfering' and 'leave the child be' thing that you're projecting onto the whole situation that's frankly bonkers.

[Mavorpen]

She did flesh out why she wants her daughter to be gay. Because she believes that she would be who she is and where she is today if she were not gay.

You misunderstand. She left this statement open to interpretation by not fleshing it out:

"It’s more widely acceptable to be gay in America today, but that’s not the same as being desirable. In my house, though, it is."

She could either mean that homosexuality or more desirable than heterosexuality, as Iwassoclose seems to think, or that homosexuality is no more or less desirable.

Yeah, Ifreann isn't the one misunderstanding.

[The Archregimancy]

No he isn't.

Not necessarily, anyway.

Uhm he was quite obviously talking about this one.

The most interesting thing about Anson Waterman Pope is that his mother was called Freelove Pope.

And surely the world needs more Freelove Popes.

Sorry; what was the thread topic again?

[Desperate Measures]

Guide to parenting: Don't have a view. DO NOT INTERACT. Do not develop healthy conclusions.

Oh have all the views you want, just don't force them on your kids.

Also, healthy conclusions? Because I am gay and successful, my daughter will also be successful if she is gay.

It's like you don't understand what a conclusion is.

[New Stephania]

You misunderstand. She left this statement open to interpretation by not fleshing it out:

"It’s more widely acceptable to be gay in America today, but that’s not the same as being desirable. In my house, though, it is."

She could either mean that homosexuality or more desirable than heterosexuality, as Iwassoclose seems to think, or that homosexuality is no more or less desirable.

Yeah, Ifreann isn't the one misunderstanding.

What am I misunderstanding by saying that the sentence is open to interpretation because the author did not flesh it out?

Tell me. Because I am not saying it is one or the other.

[Mavorpen]

Yeah, Ifreann isn't the one misunderstanding.

What am I misunderstanding by saying that the sentence is open to interpretation because the author did not flesh it out?

Tell me. Because I am not saying it is one or the other.

You think it actually matters. It doesn't. What matters is that the mother obviously feels like it'd be easier if her daughter was also gay, because that's much more readily relatable.

[Cannot think of a name]

She did flesh out why she wants her daughter to be gay. Because she believes that she would be who she is and where she is today if she were not gay.

You misunderstand. She left this statement open to interpretation by not fleshing it out:

"It’s more widely acceptable to be gay in America today, but that’s not the same as being desirable. In my house, though, it is."

She could either mean that homosexuality or more desirable than heterosexuality, as Iwassoclose seems to think, or that homosexuality is no more or less desirable.

She does flesh it out, there's two whole damn paragraphs fleshing it out-

Here you might expect me to say something about how, if my daughter were gay, she would undoubtedly face challenges and hurdles she wouldn’t encounter if she were straight. Maybe. And maybe if I weren’t an upper-middle-class white lesbian living in a liberal city, I’d have such worries. But no matter what, I’d want my child to be herself. If I lived in, say, North Carolina, with an adopted son from Morocco, I’d like to think I would encourage him to be Muslim, if that’s what he chose. I’d do this even though his life would probably be easier if he didn’t. It’s also easier to succeed as a dentist than an artist. But if my daughter wants to be an artist, I’ll encourage her all the way — and work to destroy any barriers along her path, not put them up myself.

Plus, I’ve never for a single second regretted being gay, nor saw it as anything other than an asset and a gift. My parents were ridiculously supportive from Day One, and I had a great community of friends and mentors who made me feel unconditionally accepted. By the time my daughter comes of age, she’ll have even more of a support network, including two moms, for crying out loud.

You guys keep repeating that sentence like the article is only two lines long.

[Mavorpen]

Guide to parenting: Don't have a view. DO NOT INTERACT. Do not develop healthy conclusions.

Oh have all the views you want, just don't force them on your kids.

Also, healthy conclusions? Because I am gay and successful, my daughter will also be successful if she is gay.

So if I have a child and I believe rape is bad, it's horrible parenting to teach them that.

Got it.

[Mondoncon]

What am I misunderstanding by saying that the sentence is open to interpretation because the author did not flesh it out?

Tell me. Because I am not saying it is one or the other.

You think it actually matters. It doesn't. What matters is that the mother obviously feels like it'd be easier if her daughter was also gay, because that's much more readily relatable.

The mother's feelings aren't obvious. The article isn't exactly top quality.

[New Stephania]

You think it actually matters. It doesn't.

As an LGBT it matters to me. If what she meant by that sentence is that she wants to teach her daughter than being gay is more desirable than being straight, and make a point of posting it in a paper for people to criticise, I am going to criticise it. If that's not what she meant by that sentence, I have no qualms with the sentence.

You'll notice, unless you simply butted in late, that I was trying to tell Iwassoclose that she might not be saying being gay is more desirable than being straight.

You guys keep repeating that sentence like the article is only two lines long.

I don't see anything in what you quoted that answers the question I raised. Is she teaching her child that being gay is more desirable, as Iwassoclose claims? I cannot tell, I would like to think not but I don't see a specific mention of that.

[Cannot think of a name]

"Parents want their children to be like them, non-homophobes oppose heteronormativity, Pope is indeed Catholic"

No he isn't.

Not necessarily, anyway.

Please do this every time. Then, maybe if we can get a photo of a bear shitting in a residential neighborhood and a science type to explain how technically water itself isn't actually wet I can stop reading those three dumbass empty statements in threads where someone has nothing to fucking say.

You have done a great service today, a great service.


That probably reads sarcastic. Seriously, that's awesome.

[Mavorpen]

You think it actually matters. It doesn't. What matters is that the mother obviously feels like it'd be easier if her daughter was also gay, because that's much more readily relatable.

The mother's feelings aren't obvious. The article isn't exactly top quality.

Only if you didn't read it. She goes into substantial detail.

You think it actually matters. It doesn't.

As an LGBT it matters to me. If what she meant by that sentence is that she wants to teach her daughter than being gay is more desirable than being straight, and make a point of posting it in a paper for people to criticise, I am going to criticise it. If that's not what she meant by that sentence, I have no qualms with the sentence.

You'll notice, unless you simply butted in late, that I was trying to tell Iwassoclose that she might not be saying being gay is more desirable than being straight.

Nothing about that suggests that she wants to teach her daughter that being gay is more desirable.

Are you people INTENTIONALLY ignoring 95% of the article?

[The Black Forrest]

You think it actually matters. It doesn't.

As an LGBT it matters to me. If what she meant by that sentence is that she wants to teach her daughter than being gay is more desirable than being straight, and make a point of posting it in a paper for people to criticise, I am going to criticise it. If that's not what she meant by that sentence, I have no qualms with the sentence.

You'll notice, unless you simply butted in late, that I was trying to tell Iwassoclose that she might not be saying being gay is more desirable than being straight.

That's fine. She can teach all she wants. It gets thrown out when puberty hits......

[Mondoncon]

The mother's feelings aren't obvious. The article isn't exactly top quality.

Only if you didn't read it. She goes into substantial detail.

Going into detail doesn't make something clearer. She used convoluted wording throughout the article, and it's not out of place to be confused.

Don't defend poor journalism just because it appears someone is trying to discredit a parent.

[Lenciland]

What is everybody so upset about. She says she loves her daughter no matter what. So what is she tries to move away from heteronormity. Every parent wants there child to be something, just because it doesn't happen doesn't mean the parent doesn't still love the child. I'm the disappointment in my family, but they still claim to love me.

[Cannot think of a name]

As an LGBT it matters to me. If what she meant by that sentence is that she wants to teach her daughter than being gay is more desirable than being straight, and make a point of posting it in a paper for people to criticise, I am going to criticise it. If that's not what she meant by that sentence, I have no qualms with the sentence.

You'll notice, unless you simply butted in late, that I was trying to tell Iwassoclose that she might not be saying being gay is more desirable than being straight.

That's fine. She can teach all she wants. It gets thrown out when puberty hits......

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