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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:03 pm

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The whole "reverse racism is impossible and black people have no power" thing is not the worldview of the Left. I am well left of center and I still think it's a load of shit.

Black people in the U.S. having no power isn't bullshit, it's the truth. They're capable of racism, of course, but they really don't hold any power.


Within an organization or within a local government, they can be in a position of power, even if they do not dominate the whole country.
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Postby Scomagia » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:05 pm

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Scomagia wrote:Black people in the U.S. having no power isn't bullshit, it's the truth. They're capable of racism, of course, but they really don't hold any power.


Within an organization or within a local government, they can be in a position of power, even if they do not dominate the whole country.

Black people as a group hold no power here. Individuals might but as a group, no.
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Postby Arumdaum » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:12 pm

Mucius Scaevola wrote:Goodness, since when has NSG taken the conservative part of an issue?

Yes, reverse racism cannot exist, but it is because blacks cannot discriminate against whites.

NS tends to have an overwhelmingly conservative consensus when it comes to race.

Considering NSG's demographic makeup, however, I'm not very surprised.
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Postby Arumdaum » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:16 pm

Urran wrote:
Mucius Scaevola wrote:You have the institutional advantage, but they do not...


How so? I'm a minority here. Check mate.

So were whites in apartheid South Africa! Hooray for not knowing the difference between numerical minority and the sociological definition of minority!
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:18 pm

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Within an organization or within a local government, they can be in a position of power, even if they do not dominate the whole country.

Black people as a group hold no power here. Individuals might but as a group, no.


It is entirely possible for an organization or a local government to be majority-black. How do black people as a group not hold power in the context of that organization or that town?
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Postby Arumdaum » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:20 pm

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Wallenburg wrote:Everyone from Western Europe is laughing their ass off about how complicated race is in America.


Cos the UK never has race issues. :roll:

"We're racist! We're racist! And that's the way we like it!"
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Postby Scomagia » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:24 pm

Nazi Flower Power wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Black people as a group hold no power here. Individuals might but as a group, no.


It is entirely possible for an organization or a local government to be majority-black. How do black people as a group not hold power in the context of that organization or that town?

And? A majority black local government is beholden to the governments above them, which are dominated by whites. Functionally, they still have no power. The same applies to black institutions. Since they exist in a white dominated society, their effective power outside of dictating organizational rules is nil.
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Postby Arumdaum » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:29 pm

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A majority Black town is no place for a White person, I think you'd have found more enjoyment if you moved to at the very least- a majority Asian town. Then at least you'd have access to good egg rolls and Chinese, Korean, Thai, etc. cuisine which is often quite good, Asians in the US tend to be richer and thus will have better schools and less crime than Black or Hispanic neighborhoods.

There is a good reason why most Whites in the US make sure to move away if too many Blacks move in nearby, because majority Black has long been correlated with lower property values and increased crime. If you stay where you're an extreme minority, you'll just be cut off from your people and be left to rot on the vine. You really ought to consider partaking in White flight.


Not sure if serious....at any rate, I was privately educated because public schools in this state suck, I actually live just outside the town, but it is still listed as my place of residence. It's where I work, shop, go to the library, ect. Plus, all of my closest neighbors are white. We've lived here for generations and have a lot tied up in land. I'm going no where soon.

And while I have been a victim of racism, most of the towns population is extremely friendly and well meaning. If this post was meant as a joke, I apologize for the overreaction, if otherwise, it came across as both bigoted and racist even if that was not the intention.

He's a public and unashamed white supremacist lol
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Postby Nekronia » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:29 pm

Racism is racism, regardless of the direction.

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Postby Evil Grantica » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:30 pm

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Evil Grantica wrote:Racism is basically hatred (or devaluation) of a person or a people based solely on their race.

We often use it to mean other things though. Like "They cast a bunch of white people and Asians for those roles! How racist!" even when there's no actual hatred going on. SNL, which is run by an uber-leftist, has never had a black woman in the cast. Their latest crop of new comedians was composed solely of white people. Racism? Probably not. "That's racist" is a joke in some circles though because of this overreaction and misuse of the word. No, the KKK is racist. The Nazis are racist. Slave owners in America were racist (though racism is not necessarily a component of slavery). People who stick up "no blacks allowed" signs are racist. The lady who is annoyed that she has to stand in the same line as a black family might be racist, but she might also be prejudiced (which is about as bad socially but at least involves no killing).

Racism on a mass scale has existed between all groups though and all peoples at different times. I mean, the Japanese tried to annihilate the Koreans, and then there's the notorious Hutu versus Tutsi situation in Rwanda. I don't personally understand either of these even on a basic level (as opposed to black-white racism which at least has a physical component however stupid it is) because to me a black person looks like a black person and a Korean only looks vaguely different from a Japanese. And no, that's not racist as I feel no hatred toward either group. Nor do I think one is better than the other.

Reverse racism, if anything, should mean a prominent predisposition towards a race that's not one's own. Like if a white guy thinks that Asians are the master race or something because he's read too many articles on international IQ distribution and concluded that the Chinese really *are* just better than anyone else.

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Postby Iwassoclose » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:38 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Nazi Flower Power wrote:
Within an organization or within a local government, they can be in a position of power, even if they do not dominate the whole country.

Black people as a group hold no power here. Individuals might but as a group, no.


As a group...what?

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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:57 pm

Scomagia wrote:
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It is entirely possible for an organization or a local government to be majority-black. How do black people as a group not hold power in the context of that organization or that town?

And? A majority black local government is beholden to the governments above them, which are dominated by whites. Functionally, they still have no power. The same applies to black institutions. Since they exist in a white dominated society, their effective power outside of dictating organizational rules is nil.


They still have power over an individual who is living within that community or trying to function within that organization. Having power only on a smaller scale is not the same thing as having no power at all. A black-dominated town or corporation or political organization is going to have an easier time enforcing their will, getting their voice heard, etc. than an individual with no power even at a local level. The distinction between "not enough power to control the country" or "not as much power as white people" and "no power" is really important. "Not as much power as white people" means it will be a struggle to get what you want and you sometimes have to pick your battles. "No power" means you can't do anything anyway so it's pointless to even try.
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Postby Gauthier » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:00 pm

The only place in the world so far where blacks have the power to oppress whites on a national scale is Zimbabwe.
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Postby Kelinfort » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:01 pm

There are blacks who are racist, sometimes against other brown people. (Sounds familiar?) But have blacks maintained a systemic oppression of whites? Fuck no.

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Postby Gauthier » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:03 pm

Kelinfort wrote:There are blacks who are racist, sometimes against other brown people. (Sounds familiar?) But have blacks maintained a systemic oppression of whites? Fuck no.


Apparently somebody thinks White Man's Burden is a documentary film.
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Postby Kelinfort » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:11 pm

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Kelinfort wrote:There are blacks who are racist, sometimes against other brown people. (Sounds familiar?) But have blacks maintained a systemic oppression of whites? Fuck no.


Apparently somebody thinks White Man's Burden is a documentary film.

Native Africans have negative perceptions of African Americans, similar to Whites perceiving foreign whites as inferior.

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Postby Gauthier » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:12 pm

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Apparently somebody thinks White Man's Burden is a documentary film.

No. Native Africans have negative perceptions of African Americans, similar to Whites perceiving foreign whites as inferior. It's an aspect of racism and classism. I'm not sure what you're getting at.


Wasn't talking about you. Just saying that some people think White Man's Burden is a documentary from how they keep talking about how reverse racism exists as if the entire world was Zimbabwe.
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Postby Kelinfort » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:14 pm

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Kelinfort wrote:No. Native Africans have negative perceptions of African Americans, similar to Whites perceiving foreign whites as inferior. It's an aspect of racism and classism. I'm not sure what you're getting at.


Wasn't talking about you. Just saying that some people think White Man's Burden is a documentary from how they keep talking about how reverse racism exists as if the entire world was Zimbabwe.

Oh. Sorry :oops:

But that's the persecution complex for you. People feel persecution or fear when people make valid points about their status.

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Postby Gauthier » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:15 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
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Wasn't talking about you. Just saying that some people think White Man's Burden is a documentary from how they keep talking about how reverse racism exists as if the entire world was Zimbabwe.

Oh. Sorry :oops:

But that's the persecution complex for you. People feel persecution or fear when people make valid points about their status.


Probably also explains the men's rights movement.
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Postby Russels Orbiting Teapot » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:18 pm

Scomagia wrote:And? A majority black local government is beholden to the governments above them, which are dominated by whites. Functionally, they still have no power. The same applies to black institutions. Since they exist in a white dominated society, their effective power outside of dictating organizational rules is nil.


So is it pointless then for minorities to organize and gain local power?

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Postby Scomagia » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:19 pm

Russels Orbiting Teapot wrote:
Scomagia wrote:And? A majority black local government is beholden to the governments above them, which are dominated by whites. Functionally, they still have no power. The same applies to black institutions. Since they exist in a white dominated society, their effective power outside of dictating organizational rules is nil.


So is it pointless then for minorities to organize and gain local power?

No. It's just important to distinguish between local power and real, institutionalized power. The former HAS to come first, of course, but they aren't the same thing.
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Postby Russels Orbiting Teapot » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:20 pm

Scomagia wrote:No. It's just important to distinguish between local power and real, institutionalized power. The former HAS to come first, of course, but they aren't the same thing.


So local power is fake?

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Postby Anollasia » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:20 pm

No. Racism is just racism.

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Postby Fanosolia » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:22 pm

Scomagia wrote:
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So is it pointless then for minorities to organize and gain local power?

No. It's just important to distinguish between local power and real, institutionalized power. The former HAS to come first, of course, but they aren't the same thing.


So in that case, do you feel we're making any progress in dealing with that or has things in terms of institutionalized racism haven't changed much here in the west?
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Postby Ripoll » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:24 pm

No, only racism exists and it is bad no matter what group is being targeted or how it is being done. It is possible to be racist against white people, that isn't reverse racism it is racism. In the same way that women rights, gay rights, transsexual rights, etc. Don't exist either, there are rights, that all people have no matter what.
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