White Pride

[Lydenburg]

Surely people can find a better way to identify themselves than their skin tone? It's like founding a "Ginger Pride" club. Nonsense.

This. Same goes for so-called "Black Pride" as well.

[Torisakia]

Apparently we can't live in a time where one can be proud of themselves without "DAS WASIS". I'm beginning to question why people use their skin to identify themselves. Next thing you know people will be segregating themselves based on the number of symmetrical moles they have.

[San france]

I think it is ok to have a pride for minorities. That doesn't mean that majorities can't have one but when it come down to it, pride is for minorities that have been oppressed. You don't have a straight pride because the overwhelming majority is straight, why should there be a white pride, and to commemorate what? slavery? oppressing? colonization? american Indian genocide?
Of course there are good things that have been done by white people but it is important to focus on minorities that want to have there says.


I am proud gay rights, pro race equality, anti-feminist but pro gender equality and pro secularism

[Devvo Mate]

I am proud gay rights, pro race equality, anti-feminist but pro gender equality and pro secularism

If you're pro-gender equality you can't be anti-feminist.

[Mike the Progressive]

Surely people can find a better way to identify themselves than their skin tone? It's like founding a "Ginger Pride" club. Nonsense.

That is nonsense. Having gingervitis is not something to be proud of.

[Paledonn]

Imagine the third world without colonialism, they wouldn't have any infrastructure or wealth if it wasn't for Europe.

Imperialism from the European powers is what destroyed many cultures, governments, and traditions, and the only thing that blinds you from seeing that is your naïve, one-sided ethnocentrism. Before the Europeans started to imperialize Africa in the 1600's, there were several large empires and stable governments in that part of the world. The local cultures had everything under control until the Europeans arrived and demanded this control from them. The Europeans exploited the natural resources, and brought them to Europe to benefit their economy. The Africans were given nothing for these crops and resources that were most likely planted and harvested by the Africans themselves. Africans were enslaved and brought to other European colonies, especially in North America, and in many of the European colonies, were given absolutely no say in the government. Then in the twentieth century, the Europeans hastily pulled out of Africa, which was a good thing, but they refused to help out the new governments in their former colonies, so many of these new governments became weak and unstable. Africa was pushed so far behind to curb because of this, and to this day is not able to compete with the other nations of the world in this new globalized economy. But I guess the Europeans got what they wanted, right? This happened not only in Africa, but also in North America, South America, Australia, and parts of Asia as well.

But they sure made a fortune selling each other into the new slave trade!

[New Carloso]

I am proud gay rights, pro race equality, anti-feminist but pro gender equality and pro secularism

If you're pro-gender equality you can't be anti-feminist.

Well, technically you can

Feminism is widely considered by many to refer to the more militant form of gender equality for women.

[Mike the Progressive]

If you're pro-gender equality you can't be anti-feminist.

Well, technically you can

Feminism is widely considered by many to refer to the more militant form of gender equality for women.

Only by those who don't understand it and ignore how diverse and divided the feminist movement actually is.

[Paledonn]

If you're pro-gender equality you can't be anti-feminist.

Well, technically you can

Feminism is widely considered by many to refer to the more militant form of gender equality for women.

Please explain what militant gender equality is.

[Torisakia]

I am proud gay rights, pro race equality, anti-feminist but pro gender equality and pro secularism

If you're pro-gender equality you can't be anti-feminist.

I think they mean "Tumblr Feminism", not "Equality for everyone Feminism".

[Devvo Mate]

Well, technically you can

No you can't.

Feminism is widely considered by many to refer to the more militant form of gender equality for women.

Then many are wrong.

[New Carloso]

Well, technically you can

Feminism is widely considered by many to refer to the more militant form of gender equality for women.

Only by those who don't understand it and ignore how diverse and divided the feminist movement actually is.

Indeed. Dem ebul uneducated masses.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Imperialism from the European powers is what destroyed many cultures, governments, and traditions, and the only thing that blinds you from seeing that is your naïve, one-sided ethnocentrism. Before the Europeans started to imperialize Africa in the 1600's, there were several large empires and stable governments in that part of the world. The local cultures had everything under control until the Europeans arrived and demanded this control from them. The Europeans exploited the natural resources, and brought them to Europe to benefit their economy. The Africans were given nothing for these crops and resources that were most likely planted and harvested by the Africans themselves. Africans were enslaved and brought to other European colonies, especially in North America, and in many of the European colonies, were given absolutely no say in the government. Then in the twentieth century, the Europeans hastily pulled out of Africa, which was a good thing, but they refused to help out the new governments in their former colonies, so many of these new governments became weak and unstable. Africa was pushed so far behind to curb because of this, and to this day is not able to compete with the other nations of the world in this new globalized economy. But I guess the Europeans got what they wanted, right? This happened not only in Africa, but also in North America, South America, Australia, and parts of Asia as well.

But they sure made a fortune selling each other into the new slave trade!

Yes, there were people in Africa who traded in slaves, and people in Africa who enslaved each other. I do hope that you're not using that as a way of excusing or minimizing the fact that it was Westerners who poured so much money into the kidnapping of locals, their transport overseas to a strange land, the stripping of their original names and cultural identities, the outlawing of their native languages, and their subjugation, torture, and rape.

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

I wish I could say that I would be OK with the idea of "white pride" as long as it wasn't toxic and didn't involve tearing other people down, but the more I think about it the more it seems an unsalvageable idea. "Whiteness" is not a real thing, and has been defined and redefined by white people as it suited their needs. Do Italians and Irishmen count for white pride, even though they were heavily discriminated against?

We need to do away with the bizarre color coding.

[New Carloso]

Well, technically you can

Feminism is widely considered by many to refer to the more militant form of gender equality for women.

Please explain what militant gender equality is.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_feminism

[Mike the Progressive]

Only by those who don't understand it and ignore how diverse and divided the feminist movement actually is.

Indeed. Dem ebul uneducated masses.

I wouldn't say evil, uneducated or even masses. Just stupid people with stupid views.

[The New Sisterhood]

I (a white Hispanic half-Jew) don't care so much for honoring the entire cultural heritage of any one group of people but would rather prefer to see what qualities they have that are good or bad and look at them in an analytic, historical manner. I care much more about the history of all of humanity than I do about pride for any one group. Further, I think it's rather bigoted to seek to preserve 'White culture' as much as it is to preserve 'Western culture' because that assumes that all white people and Western peoples traditionally held similar enough values to be pigeonholed together, which is not so. The reason there is black pride in the Americas is because many of those people were brought over as slaves and lost their culture. I suspect this 'white pride' is not about rejecting the Greco-Roman-Etruscan cultures, fundamentalist Christianity, the feudal kingdoms of the West, the patriarchic nature of it, the imperialism and so forth, in favor of those people who defied the classical views of history both as individuals and as cultures, be they the Iceni, the Scythians (varying on which group), and the plethora of universal suffrage advocates be they philosophers, warriors, rulers or simple people. It irritates me that a lot of people think that all Hispanics look like Mexicans (or that all Mexicans look the same) and insist on applying stereotypes both to the people of Mexico and the rest of Latin America. I similarly find the phases of obsession and romanticization of foreign cultures as odd as embellishing ones own culture, such as for example the West's embellished depiction of feudal Japan or China and Buddhism, largely ignoring the existence of Buddhist terrorism, the patriarchic nature of fundamentalist Buddhism and thus of Tibet, the very screwed up history of Japan and China, and so on. Not to mention that most other countries in the area are usually understood in a Cold War context with the exception of Mongolia because of Genghis Khan. I am ruddy sick of how many times the Greeks, Romans or Christian Kingdoms or the American Revolution have been depicted in films (which are constantly rehashed) in a heroic manner, including the misogynistic, religiously biased, racist context, not to mention that in the film 300 the Spartans look absurd fighting Persia in nothing but thongs and more historically inaccurate than Vikings having horns on their helmets. The rehashings of the myths of King Arthur and Robin Hood have finally dwindled down along with the Crusades, and I am just as wary of embellishing Middle Eastern or Native American cultures or any peoples.

Finally, as I am an agnostic who largely accepts the the theories of human anthropologists, do so say that all humans came from Africa, that is to say, we are all descendants of black people. So, if that isn't irony enough for how crazy the idea of culture/racial pride is rather than appreciating humanity, I don't know what is.

[Godular]

Hee hee!





I'm human. This is awesome.

[Sphermenia]

I am not human

What are you then?

I am a wolf

[Paledonn]

But they sure made a fortune selling each other into the new slave trade!

Yes, there were people in Africa who traded in slaves, and people in Africa who enslaved each other. I do hope that you're not using that as a way of excusing or minimizing the fact that it was Westerners who poured so much money into the kidnapping of locals, their transport overseas to a strange land, the stripping of their original names and cultural identities, the outlawing of their native languages, and their subjugation, torture, and rape.

No. Just an example than no particular race is entirely or even nearly entirely good or evil. Not all of he westerners were bad, not all of the blacks were good. This goes to show that people categorize the all whites as shameful slave traders and all blacks as poor slaves. Each race had a huge part in the slave trade. These terrible things were done not only by whites but by blacks as well.

[Torisakia]

What are you then?

I am a wolf

On all levels except physical, right?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Yes, there were people in Africa who traded in slaves, and people in Africa who enslaved each other. I do hope that you're not using that as a way of excusing or minimizing the fact that it was Westerners who poured so much money into the kidnapping of locals, their transport overseas to a strange land, the stripping of their original names and cultural identities, the outlawing of their native languages, and their subjugation, torture, and rape.

No. Just an example than no particular race is entirely or even nearly entirely good or evil. Not all of he westerners were bad, not all of the blacks were good. This goes to show that people categorize the all whites as shameful slave traders and all blacks as poor slaves. Each race had a huge part in the slave trade. These terrible things were done not only by whites but by blacks as well.

Of course. However, we're not in a position to deal with the repercussions of those who sold their fellow man into bondage for transport to America. We can address the West's (and, more specifically, America's) role in this, how it became such an institution that we kept it even after the rest of the Western world was evolving away from the practice, and how it continued to be such an issue that about half of the nation decided that it would rather involve itself in a bloody battle to break away from the rest of the nation than risk being led by a man who was less than entirely sympathetic to the practice. We can discuss the effects this had on black people once they were freed, and how the lies that white people of the time told themselves to justify the practice (e.g., black people are savages who need civilizing, they're less intelligent than white people and unfit for advanced professions, they need to be controlled due to being ruled by their lusts and passions, they're so lazy that they won't feed themselves without someone standing over them with a whip) have fed into stereotypes and viewpoints that persist both in the dominant culture and in the media to this very day.

[NeoColumbia]

Surely people can find a better way to identify themselves than their skin tone? It's like founding a "Ginger Pride" club. Nonsense.

Yeah, it seems like they're confusing skin color with ethnicity. Why not call it "Anglo-American/German/etc. heritage Pride" or something like that?

No not Really, Most Americans are Eueopean mutts and therefore a generalized "White Pride" makes sense.

The Same way Brown and Black Pride don't refer to a specific homogenous ethnicity but a general racial classification.

Any white person that rejects or fights against the concept of White prided is a castrated coward and a Traitor to his ancestors who he would not exist without.

14/88 White Pride World wide.

[Paledonn]

No. Just an example than no particular race is entirely or even nearly entirely good or evil. Not all of he westerners were bad, not all of the blacks were good. This goes to show that people categorize the all whites as shameful slave traders and all blacks as poor slaves. Each race had a huge part in the slave trade. These terrible things were done not only by whites but by blacks as well.

Of course. However, we're not in a position to deal with the repercussions of those who sold their fellow man into bondage for transport to America. We can address the West's (and, more specifically, America's) role in this, how it became such an institution that we kept it even after the rest of the Western world was evolving away from the practice, and how it continued to be such an issue that about half of the nation decided that it would rather involve itself in a bloody battle to break away from the rest of the nation than risk being led by a man who was less than entirely sympathetic to the practice. We can discuss the effects this had on black people once they were freed, and how the lies that white people of the time told themselves to justify the practice (e.g., black people are savages who need civilizing, they're less intelligent than white people and unfit for advanced professions, they need to be controlled due to being ruled by their lusts and passions, they're so lazy that they won't feed themselves without someone standing over them with a whip) have fed into stereotypes and viewpoints that persist both in the dominant culture and in the media to this very day.

Of course it was all bad. But I don't think that is the black stereotype. And that is definitely not in the media!

[Devvo Mate]

14/88 White Pride World wide.

Literally the edgiest thing I have ever seen posted here, and that is saying something. As if you're actually praising Hitler, there are people who still genuinely do this. Amazing.