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Postby Nuwe Suid Afrika » Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:41 pm

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Black student unions are much more necessary for the reasons I've explained. And, black student unions are almost always all inclusive. I'm white, but I'm a member of a black student union. Why? Because, I care about the advancement of minorities in America who are still treated unfairly.

Someone mentioned that they live in a majority-minority area, and I go to school in one. And, despite this, the racism African Americans and Hispanics receive is just disgusting. I'm white, and despite studying and working in many heavily Hispanic and African neighborhoods, I've never been the victim of discrimination. Unfortunately, minorities still are in these places, which is why they should be encouraged to come together to try to fight discrimination. These black student unions aren't created because of "black pride", they're created to fight for their rights. I can't say the same about the ridiculous notion of white student unions.


You have to understand, that white student unions, such as the one in the video, are being formed to promote anti-discrimination and justice for whites who are being discriminated against in their own community. Although yes, a black student union may be more necessary, we need white ones too.

You're a white person in a black student union. There was a part in the video where the leader of the WSU offered blacks to help patrol the campus, so their WSU is not an all-inclusive group for whites either.

There are many problems that whites are beginning to face in modern day America. Blacks still face many problems too, so a BSU is still necessary alongside a WSU. There's still a lot of problems that blacks face in modern day America, such as discrimination going against blacks, the black crime rate, and the poverty rate. However, the whites are beginning to face more common problems, such as black on white violence, heavy discrimination, and prejudice against whites.


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Uh, no. That's a privilege. One granted by whatever university you are a part of. YOU don't have any right. The UNIVERSITY has the right to choose to not be the host of a group they feel is against their goals as an educational institution. You're asking to use THEIR space and THEIR resources. You don't have a right to any of that.


I understand that it's a privilege (I was referring to being given the right to assemble), but if blacks can assemble in a union, why can't whites?


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Postby Kenora County » Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:42 pm

Sun Wukong wrote:The first really doesn't apply to Whites in most places


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Postby Devvo Mate » Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:42 pm

The amount of sheltered middle class white kids getting outraged over not having white pride parades is hilarious

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Postby Kainesia » Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:43 pm

Being proud of your skin colour is like being proud of your nose shape.

If all you can take pride in is you have white skin, you need to re-think your life achievements.
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Postby Kenora County » Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:43 pm

Devvo Mate wrote:The amount of sheltered middle class white kids getting outraged over not having white pride parades is hilarious


they do have parades they just aren't like "i'm white parade" and more like "i'm italian parade" and "i'm irish parade"
"Nowadays everybody's got to go to shrinks and counselors, and go on Sally Jesse Raphael and talk about their problems. Whatever happened to Gary Cooper, the strong, silent type? That was an American. He wasn't in touch with his feelings. He just did what he had to do. See, what they didn't know is once they got Gary Cooper in touch with his feelings, that they wouldn't be able to shut him up. And then it's dysfunction this and dysfunction that and dysfunction vaffanculo!"

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Postby Catholic Federalized States » Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:44 pm

Socialist Tera wrote:No. White Pride is not acceptable, white pride caused the starvation, slavery and death of millions of people. It has caused imperialism, colonialism, genocide and a lot of other horrible things. White people should be aware of their privileges but not be proud of it.


ROFL.

So it's alright for Black people to host Black pride events because of what happened to them 200 years ago

But White people cannot be proud of their race because of what their ancestors did 200 years ago

That's both racist and retarded.

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Postby Independent Republic of Not My Problem » Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:44 pm

Arcanda wrote:Hello everyone.So, I just saw a short documentary on a White Student Union: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ_MHp8iqtQ
The video is not the subject I wish to discuss, I just posted it as an introduction.

This Union featured in the documentary advocates, partly, for "white pride" and the things associated with it.Is white pride acceptable? Should whites be allowed to hold unions such as this in order to celebrate and preserve their cultural heritage? Is it racist?

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In my opinion, although the leader of the WSU in the video posted above makes interesting points (Of which the fact that other ethnic groups are "allowed" to have their own pride), I am forced to disagree with any sort of "white pride" on the matter.As the teacher said at some point, Black and Latino movements for pride often originate in places where they are or were historically a minority.

An argument of my own now is that "White pride" has an history of hatred with the KKK and the Confederate States of America, namely, and also the fact that the belief that whites are more evolved than other ethnic groups pushed for slavery, whereas "Black pride" or "Latino pride" (Not talking about the Black Panthers or the Aztlan advocates) are more oriented towards peace, and don't have any significant baggage.

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That guy's an idiot. Other ethnic groups need racial pride. White people don't, because white people don't need support groups to tell them that they are just as good as, or better then, white people. We just wake up and be awesome. :p
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Postby Sun Wukong » Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:45 pm

Kenora County wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:The first really doesn't apply to Whites in most places


quebec - northern irlenad

"White Pride" wouldn't make sense in the context of either of those. It's not like French Canadians are being absorbed into the Mughal Empire or anything
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:45 pm

Paledonn wrote:1. Socialist Tera and Arcanda, but i'm not sure about you...

Can you quote them actually saying that?
Paledonn wrote:2. I had the same response for number 2 and number 1.

Yeah, and anecdotes still aren't actually legitimate.
Paledonn wrote:3. So do you live in my community or do you see through my eyes? I'm curious to know. Because I do.

No, I don't. And that's the problem, really. You can make up whatever bullshit you like and claim it's true because of "personal experience." Sorry, that's not enough.
Paledonn wrote:4. So now I believe that you are biased against whites because you say people can be biased against blacks but not whites.

You can believe that all you want, but it will be nothing more than a fantasy constructed by your failure to actually read what I posted.
Paledonn wrote:5. I read your post, this is what you said and implied.

Yeah, you clearly didn't.
Paledonn wrote:6. So now I am certain that you are racist against whites. If you think being comfortable with being white is delusional, then you are racist.

Then it's a good thing that I don't think that.

Look, while I find this childish game of "I KNOW U ARE BUT WHAT AM I!?!" that you're trying to play mildly amusing, it's not going to work. You aren't going to convince anyone capable of engaging in critical thinking that I'm racist against whites because, well, your own delusions and persecution complex isn't good enough for that.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:47 pm

Catholic Federalized States wrote:
Socialist Tera wrote:No. White Pride is not acceptable, white pride caused the starvation, slavery and death of millions of people. It has caused imperialism, colonialism, genocide and a lot of other horrible things. White people should be aware of their privileges but not be proud of it.


ROFL.

So it's alright for Black people to host Black pride events because of what happened to them 200 years ago

But White people cannot be proud of their race because of what their ancestors did 200 years ago

That's both racist and retarded.

Well sure, it's "retarded" if that's what black people host black pride events for.

But we don't. We do it because of what happened to us decades ago and STILL happens to us.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:49 pm

Nuwe Suid Afrika wrote:I understand that it's a privilege (I was referring to being given the right to assemble), but if blacks can assemble in a union, why can't whites?

Ask your university. That's a question for them, not me. If you REALLY care about this and aren't just looking for an excuse to whine and moan, seriously, go ask them.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Marcurix » Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:49 pm

I find the notion of anyone taking pride in the colour of their skin to be silly.
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Postby Greater-London » Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:50 pm

Devvo Mate wrote:The amount of sheltered middle class white kids getting outraged over not having white pride parades is hilarious


It's not a middle class white problem. White pride comes from areas where you don't see your privilege on a day to day basis. I'm middle class, I go to university and whilst my family aren't rich I haven't ever been without. I'm not your typical "we demand a white union" guy because I have other things in my life.

To pretend that those who want "white pride" are sheltered and middle class is completely disingenuous, and fits into a really lazy narrative about white people cant have problems specific to them.
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Postby Catholic Federalized States » Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:51 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Catholic Federalized States wrote:
ROFL.

So it's alright for Black people to host Black pride events because of what happened to them 200 years ago

But White people cannot be proud of their race because of what their ancestors did 200 years ago

That's both racist and retarded.

Well sure, it's "retarded" if that's what black people host black pride events for.

But we don't. We do it because of what happened to us decades ago and STILL happens to us.


Racism happens everywhere.

Stereotypes against Blacks and Positive Discrimination against Whites.

Quit moaning. I wish every African American had the same mindset as Pharell.

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Postby Cernaca » Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:51 pm

As an Asian, no one will stop e if I wear an "Asian Pride" t-shirt to school or campus. I find it hypocritical that I can do this but white people cannot. Either everyone can do it or no one can. I mean, isn't that equality?

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Postby Paledonn » Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:52 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Paledonn wrote:1. Socialist Tera and Arcanda, but i'm not sure about you...

Can you quote them actually saying that?
Paledonn wrote:2. I had the same response for number 2 and number 1.

Yeah, and anecdotes still aren't actually legitimate.
Paledonn wrote:3. So do you live in my community or do you see through my eyes? I'm curious to know. Because I do.

No, I don't. And that's the problem, really. You can make up whatever bullshit you like and claim it's true because of "personal experience." Sorry, that's not enough.
Paledonn wrote:4. So now I believe that you are biased against whites because you say people can be biased against blacks but not whites.

You can believe that all you want, but it will be nothing more than a fantasy constructed by your failure to actually read what I posted.
Paledonn wrote:5. I read your post, this is what you said and implied.

Yeah, you clearly didn't.
Paledonn wrote:6. So now I am certain that you are racist against whites. If you think being comfortable with being white is delusional, then you are racist.

Then it's a good thing that I don't think that.

Look, while I find this childish game of "I KNOW U ARE BUT WHAT AM I!?!" that you're trying to play mildly amusing, it's not going to work. You aren't going to convince anyone capable of engaging in critical thinking that I'm racist against whites because, well, your own delusions and persecution complex isn't good enough for that.

I go to try and block your posts now because I cannot argue sense into you. You are too far gone in being anti-white. I don't want to argue with a racist anymore. People like you are the reason white pride or black pride movements need to exist. To defend themselves against others who are convinced that another race must be ashamed of their ancestors or culture. We could go on arguing forever, as I don't think you are ever going to go, OK I accept your point it is valid, and i'm not going to become racist against myself. Have a nice day.

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Postby Nuwe Suid Afrika » Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:52 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Nuwe Suid Afrika wrote:I understand that it's a privilege (I was referring to being given the right to assemble), but if blacks can assemble in a union, why can't whites?

Ask your university. That's a question for them, not me.


I don't go to a university, I'm still in high-school.

If you REALLY care about this and aren't just looking for an excuse to whine and moan, seriously, go ask them.


You care enough to post, so that shows something.


Cernaca wrote:As an Asian, no one will stop me if I wear an "Asian Pride" t-shirt to school or campus. I find it hypocritical that I can do this but white people cannot. Either everyone can do it or no one can. I mean, isn't that equality?


I believe that there are anti-discrimination laws set in effect for this type of thing, but I could be wrong.


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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:53 pm

Catholic Federalized States wrote:
Racism happens everywhere.

Stereotypes against Blacks and Positive Discrimination against Whites.

And only one of these things is systematic and commonplace.
Catholic Federalized States wrote:

Quit moaning.

No thanks, I won't stop "moaning" about rights being infringed upon.
Catholic Federalized States wrote: I wish every African American had the same mindset as Pharell.

Who the fuck is "Pharell" and why is he relevant?
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:53 pm

Nuwe Suid Afrika wrote:I don't go to a university, I'm still in high-school.

Dear Zeus this explains so much.
Nuwe Suid Afrika wrote:

You care enough to post, so that shows something.

I didn't say anything about me caring or not.
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"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Greater-London » Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:55 pm

Nuwe Suid Afrika wrote:
I don't go to a university, I'm still in high-school.


Ask your highschool then? I think you should be welcome to one but I beg the question whats the point? What do you want it for other than the fact Black students have one. This would only make sense if you come from an area where white people are marginalized or your a genuine minority, which isn't that many places.
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Postby Catholic Federalized States » Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:57 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Catholic Federalized States wrote:
Racism happens everywhere.

Stereotypes against Blacks and Positive Discrimination against Whites.

And only one of these things is systematic and commonplace.


It's systematic and commonplace because of people like you.

No thanks, I won't stop "moaning" about rights being infringed upon.


What? What rights have been infringed because of your colour?

Who the fuck is "Pharell" and why is he relevant?


A singer who said he's a "New Black", a breed that doesn't blame something that happened 200 years ago on his misfortunes. The only sensible type of black.
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Postby Paledonn » Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:58 pm

Greater-London wrote:
Nuwe Suid Afrika wrote:
I don't go to a university, I'm still in high-school.


Ask your highschool then? I think you should be welcome to one but I beg the question whats the point? What do you want it for other than the fact Black students have one. This would only make sense if you come from an area where white people are marginalized or your a genuine minority, which isn't that many places.

This happens where I live. here are many more blacks and Hispanics than whites.

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Postby Schiltzberg » Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:58 pm

What makes you who you are?
Is it your house or your car?
Is it the color of your skin?
The nationality of your kin?

Is it the belief that you seek
That makes others think you weak?
Are the sole thoughts that you think
What causes eyes to bat and blink?

Is it the color of your hair
That makes others frown and stare?
Is it the color of your eyes
That makes you what they despise?

Is it the way you lie in bed
That puts a target on your head?
Is it your God or lack thereof
That chooses who or how you love?

Why do we judge you by these things?
It's not as if we're all kings.
Because no matter what your name,
You'll be you all the same.
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Postby Nuwe Suid Afrika » Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:59 pm

Greater-London wrote:
Nuwe Suid Afrika wrote:
I don't go to a university, I'm still in high-school.


Ask your highschool then? I think you should be welcome to one but I beg the question whats the point? What do you want it for other than the fact Black students have one. This would only make sense if you come from an area where white people are marginalized or your a genuine minority, which isn't that many places.


We just have a "student union" at my high-school, and the black population is predominant. Considering the fact that we are marginalized, there's no point in having a race specific student union due to this.

Catholic Federalized States wrote:

Stereotypes against Blacks and Positive Discrimination against Whites.



Vice Versa as well. Positive Discrimination against blacks, and stereotypes against whites.
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