White Pride

[Paledonn]

Black pride is racist because it makes a distinction between black people and other races for no other reason than race.

No. "Black pride" is a REACTION to the distinction between black people and other races and the consequent claim that they are inferior. "Black pride" is nothing more than a tool to express that they are comfortable in their own bodies and won't allow themselves to be convinced otherwise.

Well it seems evident that many people believe that whites should be ashamed of their ancestors. That white culture before the modern age is inherently evil, biased, and stole its advances from other cultures. So, white pride is the same as black pride. It shows that we are comfortable with being white and are not ashamed of what we or our ancestors did.

[Mazyrsk]

No. White Pride is not acceptable, white pride caused the starvation, slavery and death of millions of people.

As has black pride such as Zimbabwe, not to mention the borderline genocidal butchering of South African whites. The moral is nobody should be proud, we should all be disgusted by ourselves and each other. Or perhaps the moral is that we should judge peoples and movements on a case by case basis and not assume that Turkish nationalism is bad because it led to the Armenian genocide or white pride is bad because some blacks were lynched by the KKK or African nationalism is bad because Zimbabwe is even more of a shithole than when it was ruled by whites.

In the Zimbabwe case, there's a reason why there were more black Rhodesians volunteering to join the Rhodesian Army than they had room for. *shrug*

[Imperialisium]

Having pride in your race is completely fine. It's only an issue when you deliberately hate on other races for no apparent reason (all races are guilty of this in some fashion). Its more or less a perversion to suit a political-economic ideal.

[Mavorpen]

Why do we have to have a white student union...or for that matter black, Hispanic, Asian, or whatever? Why not just a student union? I was proud of my university...and the fact that the union was a full liqour bar subsidized by the Uni!

Point is, people need to stop celebrating those things which divide us. Diversity is a cancer that tears society apart. Being proud of your individual heritage and culture is great! You should be! All people of the world have beautiful cultures and things to take enormous pride in. But in the case of say, America, how about we all start being 'Americans' rather than try to find reasons to alienate ourselves from each other? Solidarity and unity is always better than diversity and separation.

Okay, with respect to the whole "Black Student Union" thing, people are really missing the point. The point of those organizations is not to spread "black pride" or "black power," it's to help black people organize in a university where they are a minority. It's not "celebrating those things which divide us." It's about helping students who may feel uncomfortable being a distinct minority and helping them realize that they aren't alone. Furthermore, I don't know why, but I get the feeling that people don't realize that ANYONE can join these organizations. You don't HAVE to be black.

[United Russian Soviet States]

White pride is just the same as any other type of racial pride.

[Mavorpen]

Well it seems evident that many people believe that whites should be ashamed of their ancestors.

Define "many." Because I have yet to meet such a person.

That white culture before the modern age is inherently evil, biased, and stole its advances from other cultures.

Yeah, again, never have I seen any significant number of people saying this.

So, white pride is the same as black pride. It shows that we are comfortable with being white and are not ashamed of what we or our ancestors did.

And doing so against an imaginary enemy. It doesn't make you seem like you're comfortable. It makes you seem delusional.

[Nuwe Suid Afrika]

White pride is just the same as any other type of racial pride.

This guy gets it. I don't see what's so bad about white pride.

[Jamjai]

is this for europeans descent only? Is that what they are saying when they referring white?

[Paledonn]

Well it seems evident that many people believe that whites should be ashamed of their ancestors.

Define "many." Because I have yet to meet such a person.

That white culture before the modern age is inherently evil, biased, and stole its advances from other cultures.

Yeah, again, never have I seen any significant number of people saying this.

So, white pride is the same as black pride. It shows that we are comfortable with being white and are not ashamed of what we or our ancestors did.

And doing so against an imaginary enemy. It doesn't make you seem like you're comfortable. It makes you seem delusional.

1. Some people on here (you know who you are) plus many people I know outside of natonstates in my community.
2. refer to number 1.
3. I see less racists against blacks in my community than I do against whites. Does this mean Blacks are delusional? So if you think I am delusional for not being ashamed of being white, and being comfortable with being white, then what does that make you?

[Liberty and Linguistics]

White pride is just the same as any other type of racial pride.

This guy gets it. I don't see what's so bad about white pride.

It's ridiculous to be proud of the color of your skin. And, don't bring up black and Asian student unions and the like. Those are formed because in many societal settings, it's difficult to be a minority, as you can be ostracized and discriminated against. At my high school, there is a black student union. Every member has told me that it was founded not because they're proud of the color of their skin, but because they're aware of the provlems that African Americans had and still do face, and they want to fix this as a group. Nothing is wrong with that.

[Nuwe Suid Afrika]

This guy gets it. I don't see what's so bad about white pride.

It's ridiculous to be proud of the color of your skin. And, don't bring up black and Asian student unions and the like. Those are formed because in many societal settings, it's difficult to be a minority, as you can be ostracized and discriminated against. At my high school, there is a black student union. Every member has told me that it was founded not because they're proud of the color of their skin, but because they're aware of the provlems that African Americans had and still do face, and they want to fix this as a group. Nothing is wrong with that.

There are many problems that whites are beginning to face now in America. For example, it is racist and not tolerable to start a white student union.

If there can be black student unions, there can be white student unions. Denying whites the right to assemble in their own union would be racist, provided that there is already another union for a different race. Either give all races the right to assemble in a union, or give none of them that right.

[Paledonn]

This guy gets it. I don't see what's so bad about white pride.

It's ridiculous to be proud of the color of your skin. And, don't bring up black and Asian student unions and the like. Those are formed because in many societal settings, it's difficult to be a minority, as you can be ostracized and discriminated against. At my high school, there is a black student union. Every member has told me that it was founded not because they're proud of the color of their skin, but because they're aware of the provlems that African Americans had and still do face, and they want to fix this as a group. Nothing is wrong with that.

In some communities like mine, whites are the minority.

[Paledonn]

No. White Pride is not acceptable, white pride caused the starvation, slavery and death of millions of people. It has caused imperialism, colonialism, genocide and a lot of other horrible things. White people should be aware of their privileges but not be proud of it. White Pride is one of the most fascist and reactionary things in the world. It is a horrible thing. Individual culture is ok but pride for the most aggressive horrible race in existence is a horrible thing. I am white and I still think white history is horrible.

That my friend is racist.

[Mavorpen]

1. Some people on here (you know who you are) plus many people I know outside of natonstates in my community.

Name these people in this thread.

2. refer to number 1.

Anecdotes aren't a substitute for data.

3. I see less racists against blacks in my community than I do against whites.

No you don't.

Does this mean Blacks are delusional?

No, just you.

So if you think I am delusional for not being ashamed of being white,

Yeah, how about you actually read what I post, instead of what you think I am?

and being comfortable with being white, then what does that make you?

Not delusional.

[Arkiasis]

Any sort of pride is retarded. "white pride", "black pride", "asian pride", "blue pride". All are equally retarded. Being "proud" of something you haven't accomplished is like being "proud" you have a predisposition for colon cancer. I hate all pride that's not based on things you've actually accomplished. National pride, ethnic pride, gay pride. All completely pointless.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

It's ridiculous to be proud of the color of your skin. And, don't bring up black and Asian student unions and the like. Those are formed because in many societal settings, it's difficult to be a minority, as you can be ostracized and discriminated against. At my high school, there is a black student union. Every member has told me that it was founded not because they're proud of the color of their skin, but because they're aware of the provlems that African Americans had and still do face, and they want to fix this as a group. Nothing is wrong with that.

There are many problems that whites are beginning to face now in America. For example, it is racist and not tolerable to start a white student union.

If there can be black student unions, there can be white student unions. Denying whites the right to assemble in their own union would be racist, provided that there is already another union for a different race. Either give all races the right to assemble in a union, or give none of them that right.

Black student unions are much more necessary for the reasons I've explained. And, black student unions are almost always all inclusive. I'm white, but I'm a member of a black student union. Why? Because, I care about the advancement of minorities in America who are still treated unfairly.

Someone mentioned that they live in a majority-minority area, and I go to school in one. And, despite this, the racism African Americans and Hispanics receive is just disgusting. I'm white, and despite studying and working in many heavily Hispanic and African neighborhoods, I've never been the victim of discrimination. Unfortunately, minorities still are in these places, which is why they should be encouraged to come together to try to fight discrimination. These black student unions aren't created because of "black pride", they're created to fight for their rights. I can't say the same about the ridiculous notion of white student unions.

[Kenora County]

i wonder if the chinese and koreans gang up against the japanese on these asian students club meetings

[Sun Wukong]

i wonder if the chinese and koreans gang up against the japanese on these asian students club meetings

Yeah, but fortunately the Mongols got their backs.

[ImperialistSalvia]

Being proud of your ancestors and their accomplishments is a healthy part of any culture, imo. Also, Pride ≠ Supremacism. It's true all supremacists are prideful, but the vast majority of people are not racial supremacists.

[Greater-London]

I think to proud of your race is silly. I don't think that to have "Black" or "White" unions or organizations is racist its a by product of being part of a minority or historically marginalized group. That being said I don't think they are especially helpful as they can reinforce segregation and create division rather than bring us together - which you wouldn't appose unless you are a genuine racist.

I am curious though if anyone here is GENUINELY bothered that there isn't a "white" social group at their school/college, do you actually feel the need for one?

[Liriena]

All completely pointless.

Only because you don't seem to understand why many pride movements exist.

[Mavorpen]

It's ridiculous to be proud of the color of your skin. And, don't bring up black and Asian student unions and the like. Those are formed because in many societal settings, it's difficult to be a minority, as you can be ostracized and discriminated against. At my high school, there is a black student union. Every member has told me that it was founded not because they're proud of the color of their skin, but because they're aware of the provlems that African Americans had and still do face, and they want to fix this as a group. Nothing is wrong with that.

There are many problems that whites are beginning to face now in America. For example, it is racist and not tolerable to start a white student union.

If there can be black student unions, there can be white student unions. Denying whites the right to assemble in their own union would be racist, provided that there is already another union for a different race. Either give all races the right to assemble in a union, or give none of them that right.

Wait, what? You think there is a right to assemble?

Uh, no. That's a privilege. One granted by whatever university you are a part of. YOU don't have any right. The UNIVERSITY has the right to choose to not be the host of a group they feel is against their goals as an educational institution. You're asking to use THEIR space and THEIR resources. You don't have a right to any of that.

[The Cobalt Sky]

i wonder if the chinese and koreans gang up against the japanese on these asian students club meetings

Yeah, but fortunately the Mongols got their backs.

NO.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_i ... s_of_Japan

[Paledonn]

1. Some people on here (you know who you are) plus many people I know outside of natonstates in my community.

Name these people in this thread.

2. refer to number 1.

Anecdotes aren't a substitute for data.

3. I see less racists against blacks in my community than I do against whites.

No you don't.

Does this mean Blacks are delusional?

No, just you.

So if you think I am delusional for not being ashamed of being white,

Yeah, how about you actually read what I post, instead of what you think I am?

and being comfortable with being white, then what does that make you?

Not delusional.

1. Socialist Tera and Arcanda, but i'm not sure about you...
2. I had the same response for number 2 and number 1.
3. So do you live in my community or do you see through my eyes? I'm curious to know. Because I do.
4. So now I believe that you are biased against whites because you say people can be biased against blacks but not whites.
5. I read your post, this is what you said and implied.
6. So now I am certain that you are racist against whites. If you think being comfortable with being white is delusional, then you are racist.

[Sun Wukong]

There are typically two types of pride movements:
Movements that exit to help preserve a culture that is in danger of being lost, or its heritage forgotten. Usually by way of being absorbed into a larger culture.

And movements that exist in response to persistent attempts by others to make individuals feel ashamed of themselves and who they are.


The first really doesn't apply to Whites in most places, unless we're counting racist throwbacks as a "culture in danger of being lost." And, frankly, who would care if it was?

The second maybe, but with a strange caveat that most of this shame is self-imposed. I do think there's a bit too much masochism in many modern White societies, but I'm not sure that having obviously closet-racist yokels parading around chanting slogans is the best way to address that.