White Pride

[Knockturn Alley]

It is stupid and arrogant to feel proud of something which you played no part to get.
Its like saying, "YEAAAHH!! Bitch please, I was born with 6 fingers!"...I don't see it being racist...just dumb, I mean its not as if they are being oppressed or something, stuff like "gay pride" originated because they were ostracized from society and they felt the need to identify themselves and fight the stigma against them...no such problem with whites. But if you really have to, sure! knock yourself out

[The New Sea Territory]

...is stupid, like all pride in nationality, race, ethnicity, etc.

[Arcanda]

I agree with the second part, but I'm not so sure about the first one and think it's more complicated. They didn't just react to it because they had no morals or something like that, but (also?) because their already less developed and more agriculturally dominated economy more or less depended on them, from what I know, while the already industrialized north had no economical need for them. Correct me if I'm wrong here, since I'm no expert on the civil war in the US.

It's like saying a pimp relies on his hookers in order to make a living or a drug dealer relies on crack in order to afford his food.This can change.The south could have industrialized.But it did secede because of slavery: http://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/f ... story.html

[Republic of Coldwater]

Maybe current races, but do you not realize that there are certain genetic and cosmetic distinctions between different peoples across the world the same way there are differences in Dogs, or Wolves?

Dogs have been specifically bred for different purposes over the last couple of tens of thousands years, completely incomparable. And even then they are all still the same subspecies.

I understand that, but there has been the isolation of the various races of the world for thousands of years before any mixing happened, and that has formed the distinct races we have today. There are some genetic differences between different people.

http://time.com/91081/what-science-says ... -genetics/

Not to mention that natural selection applied until ~10,000 years ago, when agriculture was invented, and different conditions would mean that people of different features would've survived and passed on their genes.

[Mavorpen]

Dogs have been specifically bred for different purposes over the last couple of tens of thousands years, completely incomparable. And even then they are all still the same subspecies.

I understand that, but there has been the isolation of the various races of the world for thousands of years before any mixing happened, and that has formed the distinct races we have today. There are some genetic differences between different people.

http://time.com/91081/what-science-says ... -genetics/

Not to mention that natural selection applied until ~10,000 years ago, when agriculture was invented, and different conditions would mean that people of different features would've survived and passed on their genes.

This is honestly sad. No, there was never a period on the scale of thousands of years where large groups humans were isolated from each other. Furthermore thousands of years is NOT enough time to form a distinct taxonomic groupings among humans. Even more laughable is your claim that natural selection no longer applied after 10,000 years ago. No, it still applies even today.

And lastly, no, there are no "distinct races." Feel free to name a gene that is isolated among only ONE race and not any others. Please let this pseudoscience die.

[Libacur]

You sure like to say God a lot. I can't believe you think that God singled out an entire skin color of humanity so they can be superior to others. Then again, you sound like an awful troll.

The true reason why God accepts white people is because most of us whites accept Jesus Christ as lord and savior. We accept Jesus Christ because God made us to do so. White Men were made for this world. Most nonwhites do not except the ones we converted. But then again, it was White men that converted nonwhites into Christianity. It was White men that enlightened the world from unholy superstitions and myths.

God accepts white people because they were the second (third? Fourth?) race to discover christianity. Arabs were definitely the first to start believing in Christianity, then the Africans, then either the Asians (India, the Stans) or Whites.

[Libacur]

It is stupid and arrogant to feel proud of something which you played no part to get.
Its like saying, "YEAAAHH!! Bitch please, I was born with 6 fingers!"...I don't see it being racist...just dumb, I mean its not as if they are being oppressed or something, stuff like "gay pride" originated because they were ostracized from society and they felt the need to identify themselves and fight the stigma against them...no such problem with whites. But if you really have to, sure! knock yourself out

white people are oppressed in Zimbabwe and they were oppressed under Mao Zedong's China.

[Knockturn Alley]

It is stupid and arrogant to feel proud of something which you played no part to get.
Its like saying, "YEAAAHH!! Bitch please, I was born with 6 fingers!"...I don't see it being racist...just dumb, I mean its not as if they are being oppressed or something, stuff like "gay pride" originated because they were ostracized from society and they felt the need to identify themselves and fight the stigma against them...no such problem with whites. But if you really have to, sure! knock yourself out

white people are oppressed in Zimbabwe and they were oppressed under Mao Zedong's China.

I'm aware of the situation in Zimbabwe, well they're dictators aren't they? And yep its wrong but I'm pretty sure the "White pride" movement has nothing to do with that. Other races have much more reason to be "proud" if you call it that.

EDIT: At the end of the day, its something those Youtube stars and Facebook fans might do...

[Prumia]

Is white pride acceptable? Should whites be allowed to hold unions such as this in order to celebrate and preserve their cultural heritage? Is it racist?

It says a lot about the nature of this topic that it reached over ten pages in less than a day.

On the subject at hand: I would say yes.

Black pride is racist because it makes a distinction between black people and other races for no other reason than race. By definition, that is racist. If Black people - or Asians, or Hispanics, or whomever else - are allowed to be proud of their race for no other reason than because they are that race, logic would follow that whites could do the same.

Do not misunderstand, though: all of them are being racist for doing this. I just do not think this type of racism is bad. Racism and discrimination are only really a problem if you think your race makes you better than other people. The problem, I find, is that most believe this only applies to whites. I have met black people who thought they were better than whites simply because they were black.

[Knockturn Alley]

The true reason why God accepts white people is because most of us whites accept Jesus Christ as lord and savior. We accept Jesus Christ because God made us to do so. White Men were made for this world. Most nonwhites do not except the ones we converted. But then again, it was White men that converted nonwhites into Christianity. It was White men that enlightened the world from unholy superstitions and myths.

God accepts white people because they were the second (third? Fourth?) race to discover christianity. Arabs were definitely the first to start believing in Christianity, then the Africans, then either the Asians (India, the Stans) or Whites.

Goodness! If you're gonna start bringing religion and god into this then I'm gonna flood you with meme pics

[Mavorpen]

Black pride is racist because it makes a distinction between black people and other races for no other reason than race.

No. "Black pride" is a REACTION to the distinction between black people and other races and the consequent claim that they are inferior. "Black pride" is nothing more than a tool to express that they are comfortable in their own bodies and won't allow themselves to be convinced otherwise.

[Devvo Mate]

Black pride is racist because it makes a distinction between black people and other races for no other reason than race. By definition, that is racist.

If we completely change the definition of the word racist, yeah.

[Galmarch]

It is silly to take pride for something that one did have no part in.
I had no saying if I wanted to be born white, black or any other skin colour. Nor my sex or ethnicity.
The only thing one can actively choose regarding nationality is if one would emigrate and get citizenship in that country.

[The Victorian Empire]

Fuck pride in general.

[Atlanticatia]

White pride makes no sense. There's no singular 'white culture'. There's no point of being proud of a color.

[Sun Wukong]

"Pride" movements only make sense in the context of an oppressed or disenfranchised minority trying to defend itself.

[Herskerstad]

I am generally against ethnic pride of any stripe, color or lack there of.

However, having some pride in history and heritage is not inherently bad, it is however justly marred by the fact that the white pride movements have been for the most part, exceptionally regressive, involved with the worst kind of human treatment, ect.

But to people who take cultural pride in how say, Europe disproportionally rocketed ahead of other global regions from the dark ages to the modern age? The Renaissance, reformation, industrial revolutions and such, none without their negatives justly said, but certainly the biggest footprint on global history. I don't mind that. I don't condone it either in the same way I don't condone Latino or Black pride as I find it inherently harmful to both integration and unity.

[Arcanda]

Black pride is racist because it makes a distinction between black people and other races for no other reason than race.

No. "Black pride" is a REACTION to the distinction between black people and other races and the consequent claim that they are inferior. "Black pride" is nothing more than a tool to express that they are comfortable in their own bodies and won't allow themselves to be convinced otherwise.

I completely agree.

[Benian Republic]

It should be accepted as long as it isn't racist, hateful or violent.

[Nuwe Suid Afrika]

There's nothing wrong with white pride. If we can have black pride, latino pride, and all types of other prides, then we can have white pride.

Besides, there's nothing wrong with being proud of your race- your origins- who you are entirely. I for one, have strong aspects of white pride, and it effects my life in may positive ways.

I think that because I'm a person who accepts white pride into my life, I can view all sorts of situations (especially racial) from all types of angles that the average person would not. I think it also sort of helps me carry myself higher than I would without it.

[Centro-Progressive Peoples Entity]

I think everyone is human, and there cannot be people that are "more human than other humans." Am I rong?

[Catholic Federalized States]

White Pride isn't allowed?

That's racist.

[Paledonn]

You third dimensionals are ones to talk we 4th dimensionals have moved beyond slaughtering each other.

I wonder what the 2-dimensionals are up to?

We are inventing the wheel. And language.

[North Afror]

Why do we have to have a white student union...or for that matter black, Hispanic, Asian, or whatever? Why not just a student union? I was proud of my university...and the fact that the union was a full liqour bar subsidized by the Uni!

Point is, people need to stop celebrating those things which divide us. Diversity is a cancer that tears society apart. Being proud of your individual heritage and culture is great! You should be! All people of the world have beautiful cultures and things to take enormous pride in. But in the case of say, America, how about we all start being 'Americans' rather than try to find reasons to alienate ourselves from each other? Solidarity and unity is always better than diversity and separation.

[The Greater Luthorian Empire]

No. White Pride is not acceptable, white pride caused the starvation, slavery and death of millions of people.

As has black pride such as Zimbabwe, not to mention the borderline genocidal butchering of South African whites. The moral is nobody should be proud, we should all be disgusted by ourselves and each other. Or perhaps the moral is that we should judge peoples and movements on a case by case basis and not assume that Turkish nationalism is bad because it led to the Armenian genocide or white pride is bad because some blacks were lynched by the KKK or African nationalism is bad because Zimbabwe is even more of a shithole than when it was ruled by whites.