White Pride

[Devvo Mate]

Well, actually:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_slave_trade

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_Ottoman_Empire

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade

None of those were based on the colour of their skin. There were slaves who were white, and slaves who were black, and slaves who were brown. There were also people of various different ethnicities all throughout the social strata of the Ottoman and Barbary states. It's completely different. White people being slaves =/= white people being discriminated against and treated as subhuman for being white.

[Sanctissima]

Maybe current races, but do you not realize that there are certain genetic and cosmetic distinctions between different peoples across the world the same way there are differences in Dogs, or Wolves?

No. It's not the same as in dogs or wolves in any sense, especially dogs.

True. You'd need to inbreed an isolated population for several dozen generations before developing different breeds of humans.

[Mavorpen]

You comparing black people to dogs mate?
Pffffffffffffffffffftttttttttttt

No, he's comparing humans in general to dogs. Canine races are much more diverse though, and like I said, "miscegenation" makes a differentiation based on that more or less pointless anyway.

Canines don't have "races."

[Arcanda]

After all, who do you think freed the black slaves? White politicians of course. I m proud of my ancestors, so you can turn off your computer and stop being racist.

This logic always makes me laugh.

"Sir, did you kidnap this woman and rape her mercilessly for 10 years?"

"Yes, but I let her go of my own accord. I should be praised, right?"

I agree.Blacks freed themselves not only in 1865, but most especially in 1965.

[Vashtanaraada]

You comparing black people to dogs mate?
Pffffffffffffffffffftttttttttttt

No he's not.

he's probably implying something

cosmetic differences don't harm function or personality in individuals, or make them differ from anyone else

[Devvo Mate]

No. Breeding categories are not scientific. They're all determined by Kennel Clubs...which is not a scientific organization.

That has literally nothing to do with what I said, but thanks for the info.

[Mavorpen]

No. It's not the same as in dogs or wolves in any sense, especially dogs.

True. You'd need to inbreed an isolated population for several dozen generations before developing different breeds of humans.

Not that that matters because "breeds" aren't legitimate taxonomic groupings.

[Jute]

No, he's comparing humans in general to dogs. Canine races are much more diverse though, and like I said, "miscegenation" makes a differentiation based on that more or less pointless anyway.

Canines don't have "races."

My mistake then, my native language calls different dog breeds "dog races", too.

[Norstal]

No. Breeding categories are not scientific. They're all determined by Kennel Clubs...which is not a scientific organization.

That has literally nothing to do with what I said, but thanks for the info.

I'm saying they're not subspecies. They're all dogs. There's literally no scientific organization out there that says there are subspecies of dogs.

Unless you're saying dogs are subspecies of wolves, which would be my mistake.

[DragonReach]

Humans are an incredible species.
^This is admiration.

I'm glad I'm a human.
^This is thankfullness.

I'm proud I'm a human.
^This is idiocy.

Shut up Turian.

[Arcanda]

Slavery wasn't exactly invented by the CSA... and also used by the northern states for some time. And shame for something you didn't do? Why that? Then you ought to be able at least to feel some pride, too, it doesn't make much sense nor is it really fair to only allow for negative feelings about the past. Of course it is necessary to acknowledge and be aware of all the atrocities and terrible things did by previous generations, but you shouldn't have to feel ashamed of it.

I agree, it wasn't invented by the CSA, but when it came to abolishing it, they were the first to react in order to stop abolition.
I think it is our duty to admit our guilt for what we've done, and pay back that debt we owe by stopping that tragedy from happenning again.

[Devvo Mate]

I'm saying they're not subspecies. They're all dogs. There's literally no scientific organization out there that says there are subspecies of dogs.

Unless you're saying dogs are subspecies of wolves, which would be my mistake.

You misread my post, I said that despite the fact they'd been bred for specific uses over thousands of years they are still all the same subspecies, canis lupis familiaris.

[Sanctissima]

True. You'd need to inbreed an isolated population for several dozen generations before developing different breeds of humans.

Not that that matters because "breeds" aren't legitimate taxonomic groupings.

Legitimate or not, the physical differences alone are enough to consider them taxonomic groupings.

[Norstal]

I'm saying they're not subspecies. They're all dogs. There's literally no scientific organization out there that says there are subspecies of dogs.

Unless you're saying dogs are subspecies of wolves, which would be my mistake.

You misread my post, I said that despite the fact they'd been bred for specific uses over thousands of years they are still all the same subspecies, canis lupis familiaris.

Ah okay. My bad then. I did misread your post.

[Mavorpen]

Not that that matters because "breeds" aren't legitimate taxonomic groupings.

Legitimate or not, the physical differences alone are enough to consider them taxonomic groupings.

No they aren't. If you suggested that to a group of biologists you would be laughed out of the room.

[Devvo Mate]

Legitimate or not, the physical differences alone are enough to consider them taxonomic groupings.

No they aren't, which is why they're all classed as the same subspecies.

[Jute]

Slavery wasn't exactly invented by the CSA... and also used by the northern states for some time. And shame for something you didn't do? Why that? Then you ought to be able at least to feel some pride, too, it doesn't make much sense nor is it really fair to only allow for negative feelings about the past. Of course it is necessary to acknowledge and be aware of all the atrocities and terrible things did by previous generations, but you shouldn't have to feel ashamed of it.

I agree, it wasn't invented by the CSA, but when it came to abolishing it, they were the first to react in order to stop abolition.
I think it is our duty to admit our guilt for what we've done, and pay back that debt we owe by stopping that tragedy from happenning again.

I agree with the second part, but I'm not so sure about the first one and think it's more complicated. They didn't just react to it because they had no morals or something like that, but (also?) because their already less developed and more agriculturally dominated economy more or less depended on them, from what I know, while the already industrialized north had no economical need for them. Correct me if I'm wrong here, since I'm no expert on the civil war in the US.

[Norstal]

Not that that matters because "breeds" aren't legitimate taxonomic groupings.

Legitimate or not, the physical differences alone are enough to consider them taxonomic groupings.

Physical differences do not make different taxonomic groups. There's other factors to consider.

[Liriena]

In principle, I see no problem with organizations that seek to celebrate majoritarian social or cultural groups, but I find that those who argue for those organizations sometimes miss the point of the pride organizations for minorities that they criticise: They exist as a reaction to extended periods of oppression and marginalisation. Gay Pride, for instance, is not about LGBT people feeling superior to everybody else because we are LGBT, but rather LGBT people celebrating our identity in the face of a long history of our identity being treated as shameful or inherently dangerous in some way. It aims to prove the prejudices held against us wrong, give our community more visibility, and help encourage a social, cultural and political change that may help correct the injustices committed against us.

White pride? Straight pride? Men's pride? Cisgender pride? All of those are fine by me, so long as you are not starting those movements as an oppositive reaction of some sort to minority pride movements. If you do, you have my wholehearted scorn.

[Liriena]

Humans are an incredible species.
^This is admiration.

I'm glad I'm a human.
^This is thankfullness.

I'm proud I'm a human.
^This is idiocy.

Shut up Turian.

You humans are all racists.

[Jute]

Shut up Turian.

You humans are all racists.

Some do say "everyone's a bit racist".

[Benuty]

Shut up Turian.

You humans are all racists.

You third dimensionals are ones to talk we fourth dimensionals have moved beyond slaughtering each other.

[Neo Rome Republic]

Skin colour pride is about as stupid as hair colour pride, eye colour pride, place of birth pride or any other occassion where people are proud of something they didn't have any influence over, and should be treated accordingly.

Take pride in actions and achievements, not in the lottery of birth.

This.

[Jute]

You humans are all racists.

You third dimensionals are ones to talk we 4th dimensionals have moved beyond slaughtering each other.

I wonder what the 2-dimensionals are up to?

[Norstal]

Shut up Turian.

You humans are all racists.

I'm sorry sir, but I can't let you board the shuttle with a 15 centimeter serrated blade.