White Pride

[Camelza]

Humans are an incredible species.
^This is admiration.

I'm glad I'm a human.
^This is thankfullness.

I'm proud I'm a human.
^This is idiocy.

[Jute]

Jesus most likely wasn't even white himself...

He probably believes in the Anglo-saxon representation of Jesus in paintings.

Well, the painters can't be blamed, archeology didn't exist when most of the paintings were created, so they had not much knowledge on how Jesus looked like and just went with how most people looked like around them.

[Christian State of Mississippi]

White Pride should definitely be allowed. In fact, it should be encouraged. It was White Men that invented ship navigation. It was White Men that sailed the seas and made new countries in America. And you know why? God! God gave White men the ability to think and have emotions. God gave white men ingenuity. God made White men in his own image and we are destined to achieve such greatness for the white race. I'm so proud of being white. I can thank God for what he made me to be.

You sure like to say God a lot. I can't believe you think that God singled out an entire skin color of humanity so they can be superior to others. Then again, you sound like an awful troll.

The true reason why God accepts white people is because most of us whites accept Jesus Christ as lord and savior. We accept Jesus Christ because God made us to do so. White Men were made for this world. Most nonwhites do not except the ones we converted. But then again, it was White men that converted nonwhites into Christianity. It was White men that enlightened the world from unholy superstitions and myths.

[Paledonn]

I strongly resent the implication that my celebrating the works of Shakespeare and the achievements of Alfred the Great puts me in the same camp as the Ku Klux Klan. Are you saying that I should be ashamed of my cultural background?

Because that, my friend, is racism, and that makes you a racist.

What I did say is that modern White Pride or Anglo-Saxon pride mostly relates to the heinous acts of the CSA and the KKK, slavery, lynchings, segregation and discrimination.And that is nothing to be proud of, and yes we should be ashamed of what our ancestors did with the above.

And Muslims and Christians sacked cities during the crusades. Oh and the Germans did some pretty nasty things to Jews (among others), Black people fought in tribal warfare and sold other tribes into slavery as a method of this warfare, and Genghis khan wasn't exactly a nice ruler, and blah blah blah etc... So now everybody should be ashamed of their ancestors, their race, and their religion. But no, for ever bad thing a race has done, you can find one or two good things. After all, who do you think freed the black slaves? White politicians of course. I m proud of my ancestors, so you can turn off your computer and stop being racist.

[Arcanda]

Fine but shame isn't the word to describe that.

What word should we use then?

White Pride should definitely be allowed. In fact, it should be encouraged. It was White Men that invented ship navigation. It was White Men that sailed the seas and made new countries in America. And you know why? God! God gave White men the ability to think and have emotions. God gave white men ingenuity. God made White men in his own image and we are destined to achieve such greatness for the white race. I'm so proud of being white. I can thank God for what he made me to be.

Colombus used methods invented by the Arabs in order to sail to the Americas.In fact, without the Muslim Golden Age (During "our" Middle Ages), we'd be very far behind.And there were countries in the Americas before white men came.Many of the first Christians had a slight Arabic shades too.Do you think Blacks and Asians cannot think or have emotions, although they also invented many ingenious things?

What Heinous acts of the CSA do you mean?

Slavery.

We never had any of those things in the United Kingdom. Well, there was discrimination, but not on the scale that occurred in the United States. Sounds like the problem might be with American culture rather than specifically English/British/Anglophone culture. Besides which, I see no reason why I should be ashamed of what my ancestors did unless I'm also allowed to be proud of what they did. Sure, there was imperialism, colonialism, the Boer concentration camps, the Opium Wars, the Irish Potato Famine- and then there was the Second World War, the invention of electricity, the spread of common law and the parliamentary system, building railways, bringing peace, improving healthcare, pioneering the idea of the free press, the literary accomplishments, the scientific advances, the architectural triumphs and all the other contributions of British civilisation to the world. Few, if any, cultures can be categorised simply as "good" or "bad."

Oh well, I assumed we talked about the US here.Pardon me then.Although the British are still guilty for the triangular trade and all those other things cited above, I don't think we're talking about the same kind of pride.

But imperialism, the triangular trade, etc...Hurt other people.Meanwhile, democracy and healthcare only benefited the people who "invented" them.Thus I still see no reason to be proud.

[Vitaphone Racing]

Pride on most levels is wrong. Nobody should be proud of accomplishing what's expected of them nor for being in the right time at the right place.

[Jute]

Humans are an incredible species.
^This is admiration.

I'm glad I'm a human.
^This is thankfullness.

I'm proud I'm a human.
^This is idiocy.

What kind of feeling do you have when you discover one or multiple of your ancestors were, for example, especially ardent fighters for justice? Admiration as well?

[Camelza]

Humans are an incredible species.
^This is admiration.

I'm glad I'm a human.
^This is thankfullness.

I'm proud I'm a human.
^This is idiocy.

What kind of feeling do you have when you discover one or multiple of your ancestors were, for example, especially ardent fighters for justice? Admiration as well?

Only admiration. WHy should I feel proud? Was I one of them, a fighter for liberty and a great cause?

[Arcanda]

What if mine didn't do any of the above? What if they, for example, were part of some group fighting for it? Or the descendants of Henry Dunant, you can't feel ashamed for what that guy did. Seriously, it's not a black-and-white thing, no pun intended.

Yes, but those are special cases.While Henri Dunant was a great man, when he lived his peers opressed Black people in America.

[Infected Mushroom]

Hello everyone.So, I just saw a short documentary on a White Student Union: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ_MHp8iqtQ
The video is not the subject I wish to discuss, I just posted it as an introduction.

This Union featured in the documentary advocates, partly, for "white pride" and the things associated with it.Is white pride acceptable? Should whites be allowed to hold unions such as this in order to celebrate and preserve their cultural heritage? Is it racist?

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In my opinion, although the leader of the WSU in the video posted above makes interesting points (Of which the fact that other ethnic groups are "allowed" to have their own pride), I am forced to disagree with any sort of "white pride" on the matter.As the teacher said at some point, Black and Latino movements for pride often originate in places where they are or were historically a minority.

An argument of my own now is that "White pride" has an history of hatred with the KKK and the Confederate States of America, namely, and also the fact that the belief that whites are more evolved than other ethnic groups pushed for slavery, whereas "Black pride" or "Latino pride" (Not talking about the Black Panthers or the Aztlan advocates) are more oriented towards peace, and don't have any significant baggage.

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As with my previous threads, I'm more of a reader than a writer, so don't expect a strong OP presence.

Of course its acceptable.

If other groups are allowed to have their Pride groups, then why can't Whites have their Pride group?

I've seen black pride groups, latino pride groups etc and no one throws up a ruckus over them.

What is this? Reverse racism?

The White race has much to be proud of. For the last few centuries it has dominated the planet economically, artistically, and politically. They could have exercised their power and privilege a bit more responsibly in some respects, but in terms of Pride there's a great deal of basis for it.

Either get rid of all Pride groups, or let the Whites have them too.

[Terra Sector Union]

What I did say is that modern White Pride or Anglo-Saxon pride mostly relates to the heinous acts of the CSA and the KKK, slavery, lynchings, segregation and discrimination.And that is nothing to be proud of, and yes we should be ashamed of what our ancestors did with the above.

And Muslims and Christians sacked cities during the crusades. Oh and the Germans did some pretty nasty things to Jews (among others), Black people fought in tribal warfare and sold other tribes into slavery as a method of this warfare, and Genghis khan wasn't exactly a nice ruler, and blah blah blah etc... So now everybody should be ashamed of their ancestors, their race, and their religion. But no, for ever bad thing a race has done, you can find one or two good things. After all, who do you think freed the black slaves? White politicians of course. I m proud of my ancestors, so you can turn off your computer and stop being racist.

I think it's safe to say that history all-around is ugly. But there's countless great things that happened to make up for it.

[Old Tyrannia]

Yeah, it seems like they're confusing skin color with ethnicity. Why not call it "Anglo-American/German/etc. heritage Pride" or something like that?

I agree. I'd join a German or British student union, or one for descendants of the original pilgrims.

For any American citizens or other foreigners of English descent who are interested in celebrating their cultural roots, the Royal Society of St. George (which seems to be fairly kosher, i.e. not EDL-lite, as far as myself, the notably Left-wing Independent and Her Majesty the Queen can tell) has numerous branches outside of England, including in several US states. Might be something to look into for those who are interested.

[Jute]

Fine but shame isn't the word to describe that.

What word should we use then?

White Pride should definitely be allowed. In fact, it should be encouraged. It was White Men that invented ship navigation. It was White Men that sailed the seas and made new countries in America. And you know why? God! God gave White men the ability to think and have emotions. God gave white men ingenuity. God made White men in his own image and we are destined to achieve such greatness for the white race. I'm so proud of being white. I can thank God for what he made me to be.

Colombus used methods invented by the Arabs in order to sail to the Americas.In fact, without the Muslim Golden Age (During "our" Middle Ages), we'd be very far behind.And there were countries in the Americas before white men came.Many of the first Christians had a slight Arabic shades too.Do you think Blacks and Asians cannot think or have emotions, although they also invented many ingenious things?

What Heinous acts of the CSA do you mean?

Slavery.

We never had any of those things in the United Kingdom. Well, there was discrimination, but not on the scale that occurred in the United States. Sounds like the problem might be with American culture rather than specifically English/British/Anglophone culture. Besides which, I see no reason why I should be ashamed of what my ancestors did unless I'm also allowed to be proud of what they did. Sure, there was imperialism, colonialism, the Boer concentration camps, the Opium Wars, the Irish Potato Famine- and then there was the Second World War, the invention of electricity, the spread of common law and the parliamentary system, building railways, bringing peace, improving healthcare, pioneering the idea of the free press, the literary accomplishments, the scientific advances, the architectural triumphs and all the other contributions of British civilisation to the world. Few, if any, cultures can be categorised simply as "good" or "bad."

Oh well, I assumed we talked about the US here.Pardon me then.Although the British are still guilty for the triangular trade and all those other things cited above, I don't think we're talking about the same kind of pride.

But imperialism, the triangular trade, etc...Hurt other people.Meanwhile, democracy and healthcare only benefited the people who "invented" them.Thus I still see no reason to be proud.

Slavery wasn't exactly invented by the CSA... and also used by the northern states for some time. And shame for something you didn't do? Why that? Then you ought to be able at least to feel some pride, too, it doesn't make much sense nor is it really fair to only allow for negative feelings about the past. Of course it is necessary to acknowledge and be aware of all the atrocities and terrible things did by previous generations, but you shouldn't have to feel ashamed of it.

[Lancaster of Wessex]

White Pride should definitely be allowed. In fact, it should be encouraged. It was White Men that invented ship navigation. It was White Men that sailed the seas and made new countries in America. And you know why? God! God gave White men the ability to think and have emotions. God gave white men ingenuity. God made White men in his own image and we are destined to achieve such greatness for the white race. I'm so proud of being white. I can thank God for what he made me to be.

There's so much garbage in this, I don't even know where to begin. And I say that as a Caucasian Christian.

[Val Halla]

Hello everyone.So, I just saw a short documentary on a White Student Union: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ_MHp8iqtQ
The video is not the subject I wish to discuss, I just posted it as an introduction.

This Union featured in the documentary advocates, partly, for "white pride" and the things associated with it.Is white pride acceptable? Should whites be allowed to hold unions such as this in order to celebrate and preserve their cultural heritage? Is it racist?

---

In my opinion, although the leader of the WSU in the video posted above makes interesting points (Of which the fact that other ethnic groups are "allowed" to have their own pride), I am forced to disagree with any sort of "white pride" on the matter.As the teacher said at some point, Black and Latino movements for pride often originate in places where they are or were historically a minority.

An argument of my own now is that "White pride" has an history of hatred with the KKK and the Confederate States of America, namely, and also the fact that the belief that whites are more evolved than other ethnic groups pushed for slavery, whereas "Black pride" or "Latino pride" (Not talking about the Black Panthers or the Aztlan advocates) are more oriented towards peace, and don't have any significant baggage.

---

As with my previous threads, I'm more of a reader than a writer, so don't expect a strong OP presence.

Of course its acceptable.

If other groups are allowed to have their Pride groups, then why can't Whites have their Pride group?

I've seen black pride groups, latino pride groups etc and no one throws up a ruckus over them.

What is this? Reverse racism?

The White race has much to be proud of. For the last few centuries it has dominated the planet economically, artistically, and politically. They could have exercised their power and privilege a bit more responsibly in some respects, but in terms of Pride there's a great deal of basis for it.

Either get rid of all Pride groups, or let the Whites have them too.

White pride is more of a sense of entitlement than being proud. It's like boasting "I'm white, so I should get better opportunities".

[Vitaphone Racing]

Hello everyone.So, I just saw a short documentary on a White Student Union: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ_MHp8iqtQ
The video is not the subject I wish to discuss, I just posted it as an introduction.

This Union featured in the documentary advocates, partly, for "white pride" and the things associated with it.Is white pride acceptable? Should whites be allowed to hold unions such as this in order to celebrate and preserve their cultural heritage? Is it racist?

---

In my opinion, although the leader of the WSU in the video posted above makes interesting points (Of which the fact that other ethnic groups are "allowed" to have their own pride), I am forced to disagree with any sort of "white pride" on the matter.As the teacher said at some point, Black and Latino movements for pride often originate in places where they are or were historically a minority.

An argument of my own now is that "White pride" has an history of hatred with the KKK and the Confederate States of America, namely, and also the fact that the belief that whites are more evolved than other ethnic groups pushed for slavery, whereas "Black pride" or "Latino pride" (Not talking about the Black Panthers or the Aztlan advocates) are more oriented towards peace, and don't have any significant baggage.

---

As with my previous threads, I'm more of a reader than a writer, so don't expect a strong OP presence.

Of course its acceptable.

If other groups are allowed to have their Pride groups, then why can't Whites have their Pride group?

I've seen black pride groups, latino pride groups etc and no one throws up a ruckus over them.

What is this? Reverse racism?

The White race has much to be proud of. For the last few centuries it has dominated the planet economically, artistically, and politically. They could have exercised their power and privilege a bit more responsibly in some respects, but in terms of Pride there's a great deal of basis for it.

Either get rid of all Pride groups, or let the Whites have them too.

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Does ANYBODY here even know what a pride movement is?

[Infected Mushroom]

Of course its acceptable.

If other groups are allowed to have their Pride groups, then why can't Whites have their Pride group?

I've seen black pride groups, latino pride groups etc and no one throws up a ruckus over them.

What is this? Reverse racism?

The White race has much to be proud of. For the last few centuries it has dominated the planet economically, artistically, and politically. They could have exercised their power and privilege a bit more responsibly in some respects, but in terms of Pride there's a great deal of basis for it.

Either get rid of all Pride groups, or let the Whites have them too.

White pride is more of a sense of entitlement than being proud. It's like boasting "I'm white, so I should get better opportunities".

isn't it standard practice for these pride groups to champion/lobby for their own In group's interests?

[Republic of Coldwater]

You sure like to say God a lot. I can't believe you think that God singled out an entire skin color of humanity so they can be superior to others. Then again, you sound like an awful troll.

The true reason why God accepts white people is because most of us whites accept Jesus Christ as lord and savior. We accept Jesus Christ because God made us to do so. White Men were made for this world. Most nonwhites do not except the ones we converted. But then again, it was White men that converted nonwhites into Christianity. It was White men that enlightened the world from unholy superstitions and myths.

You do know that Jesus Christ was an Arab.

[Old Tyrannia]

We never had any of those things in the United Kingdom. Well, there was discrimination, but not on the scale that occurred in the United States. Sounds like the problem might be with American culture rather than specifically English/British/Anglophone culture. Besides which, I see no reason why I should be ashamed of what my ancestors did unless I'm also allowed to be proud of what they did. Sure, there was imperialism, colonialism, the Boer concentration camps, the Opium Wars, the Irish Potato Famine- and then there was the Second World War, the invention of electricity, the spread of common law and the parliamentary system, building railways, bringing peace, improving healthcare, pioneering the idea of the free press, the literary accomplishments, the scientific advances, the architectural triumphs and all the other contributions of British civilisation to the world. Few, if any, cultures can be categorised simply as "good" or "bad."

Oh well, I assumed we talked about the US here.Pardon me then.Although the British are still guilty for the triangular trade and all those other things cited above, I don't think we're talking about the same kind of pride.

But imperialism, the triangular trade, etc...Hurt other people.Meanwhile, democracy and healthcare only benefited the people who "invented" them.Thus I still see no reason to be proud.

Better healthcare certainly benefited the peoples of the countries we colonised when we built hospitals and introduced better sanitation. The slave trade in Africa was started by the Africans themselves, before the Arabs, the Portuguese and eventually the French, British, Spanish and others became involved. There's plenty of blame to go around.

[Val Halla]

White pride is more of a sense of entitlement than being proud. It's like boasting "I'm white, so I should get better opportunities".

isn't it standard practice for these pride groups to champion/lobby for their own In group's interests?

The interests of other pride groups is an equal footing in society, whereas White Pride is lobbying for superiority over other groups. That's the distinguishable difference.

[Jute]

Well I don't know those Polynesians crafted a series of civilizations across various islands merely by small boat. Not to mention the cultures they developed are amazing to study.

Africans didn't do much?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_empires

What about the Meso-American civilizations did they not exist?

As in technological advancements, the feats of the Polynesians were incredible, and the Meso-American empires had beautiful culture and architectural feats. But the white race has done more for humanity than all of them combined, with the exception Hammurabi's Code.

This is very debatable. In fact, I'd flat out say I disagree vehemently on the second sentence.

[Paledonn]

Fine but shame isn't the word to describe that.

What word should we use then?

White Pride should definitely be allowed. In fact, it should be encouraged. It was White Men that invented ship navigation. It was White Men that sailed the seas and made new countries in America. And you know why? God! God gave White men the ability to think and have emotions. God gave white men ingenuity. God made White men in his own image and we are destined to achieve such greatness for the white race. I'm so proud of being white. I can thank God for what he made me to be.

Colombus used methods invented by the Arabs in order to sail to the Americas.In fact, without the Muslim Golden Age (During "our" Middle Ages), we'd be very far behind.And there were countries in the Americas before white men came.Many of the first Christians had a slight Arabic shades too.Do you think Blacks and Asians cannot think or have emotions, although they also invented many ingenious things?

What Heinous acts of the CSA do you mean?

Slavery.

We never had any of those things in the United Kingdom. Well, there was discrimination, but not on the scale that occurred in the United States. Sounds like the problem might be with American culture rather than specifically English/British/Anglophone culture. Besides which, I see no reason why I should be ashamed of what my ancestors did unless I'm also allowed to be proud of what they did. Sure, there was imperialism, colonialism, the Boer concentration camps, the Opium Wars, the Irish Potato Famine- and then there was the Second World War, the invention of electricity, the spread of common law and the parliamentary system, building railways, bringing peace, improving healthcare, pioneering the idea of the free press, the literary accomplishments, the scientific advances, the architectural triumphs and all the other contributions of British civilisation to the world. Few, if any, cultures can be categorised simply as "good" or "bad."

Oh well, I assumed we talked about the US here.Pardon me then.Although the British are still guilty for the triangular trade and all those other things cited above, I don't think we're talking about the same kind of pride.

But imperialism, the triangular trade, etc...Hurt other people.Meanwhile, democracy and healthcare only benefited the people who "invented" them.Thus I still see no reason to be proud.

1. Good for the Muslims. The white Vikings made and sold ships that can sail against the wind. I think all races have contributed to inventing and helping others. Not just Arabs and Asians you anti-white racist.
2. The underground railroad had white people in it.
3. Imperialism improved science, society, and technology in many parts of the world that were far behind. Democracy was a good thing, so I don't even know what you are complaining about there, and healthcare, well that was a bad idea.

[Christian State of Mississippi]

The true reason why God accepts white people is because most of us whites accept Jesus Christ as lord and savior. We accept Jesus Christ because God made us to do so. White Men were made for this world. Most nonwhites do not except the ones we converted. But then again, it was White men that converted nonwhites into Christianity. It was White men that enlightened the world from unholy superstitions and myths.

You do know that Jesus Christ was an Arab.

Show me proof that Jesus was an Arab. It's also nice to meet another fellow Neo-Confederate. I think it's about time the Yankees will stop occupying my home since 1865 and get the hell out of the South. Agree?

[The Transcaucasian Democratic Republic]

I agree. I'd join a German or British student union, or one for descendants of the original pilgrims.

For any American citizens or other foreigners of English descent who are interested in celebrating their cultural roots, the Royal Society of St. George (which seems to be fairly kosher, i.e. not EDL-lite, as far as myself, the notably Left-wing Independent and Her Majesty the Queen can tell) has numerous branches outside of England, including in several US states. Might be something to look into for those who are interested.

http://www.royalsocietyofstgeorge.com/join_us.htm
It's open to those of non-English descent too.

[Infected Mushroom]

isn't it standard practice for these pride groups to champion/lobby for their own In group's interests?

The interests of other pride groups is an equal footing in society, whereas White Pride is lobbying for superiority over other groups. That's the distinguishable difference.

From my understanding those other groups in practice, favour and champion the increased benefits and advantages for their own In group as well.

But because they are generally at a disadvantage socioeconomically, they can call that ''fighting for Equality.''

Pride groups shouldn't be restricted to groups that are at a disadvantage.

Think about the word Pride... if you've got something to be proud of, you should have a right to form a Pride group.