White Pride

[Camelza]

No. Pride is feeling good about yourself and in a way superior than others, there's nothing wrong with pride if it's for the right reasons.
Thankfulness is to be thankfull towards someone/something.

Would you consider going to the Proms and singing 'Rule, Britannia' at the top of your lungs pride or 'thankfulness'.

It depends. It could be thankfulness, it could be idiotic pride, it could be being a fan of the anthems and honors musical genre.

[Jute]

I have little issue with people celebrating their heritage and their culture, but current forms of "white pride" go beyond simply advocating for the best interests of white and celebrating white heritage, it goes to white supremacy and racism. Even Matt Heimbach ended up being supportive of a segregated US and white nationalism, more than just white pride, and many of the members view blacks and latinos are intellectually inferior, which is more than celebrating heritage and loving one's people.

Really, white people have the right to celebrate their heritage, and to be proud of it, but they shouldn't go around and view other races as unequal, which is what people like Matt Heimbach and David Duke do.

I can agree with this.

[Camelza]

No. Pride is feeling good about yourself and in a way superior than others, there's nothing wrong with pride if it's for the right reasons.
Thankfulness is to be thankfull towards someone/something.

And sometimes you can feel a mixture of both. Proud of your education you gave and thankful that your children turned out the way they did, for example.

Those are two different feelings, not one.

[Paledonn]

There are Black pride, Hispanic pride, and Asian pride events in my city. I don't see why white people can't have pride in being white. To say they can't would be racist.

[Republic of Coldwater]

I strongly resent the implication that my celebrating the works of Shakespeare and the achievements of Alfred the Great puts me in the same camp as the Ku Klux Klan. Are you saying that I should be ashamed of my cultural background?

Because that, my friend, is racism, and that makes you a racist.

What I did say is that modern White Pride or Anglo-Saxon pride mostly relates to the heinous acts of the CSA and the KKK, slavery, lynchings, segregation and discrimination.And that is nothing to be proud of, and yes we should be ashamed of what our ancestors did with the above.

What Heinous acts of the CSA do you mean?

[Christian State of Mississippi]

White Pride should definitely be allowed. In fact, it should be encouraged. It was White Men that invented ship navigation. It was White Men that sailed the seas and made new countries in America. And you know why? God! God gave White men the ability to think and have emotions. God gave white men ingenuity. God made White men in his own image and we are destined to achieve such greatness for the white race. I'm so proud of being white. I can thank God for what he made me to be.

[Paledonn]

Would you consider going to the Proms and singing 'Rule, Britannia' at the top of your lungs pride or 'thankfulness'.

It depends. It could be thankfulness, it could be idiotic pride, it could be being a fan of the anthems and honors musical genre.

This is a black pride event in my city.

[Val Halla]

White Pride should definitely be allowed. In fact, it should be encouraged. It was White Men that invented ship navigation. It was White Men that sailed the seas and made new countries in America. And you know why? God! God gave White men the ability to think and have emotions. God gave white men ingenuity. God made White men in his own image and we are destined to achieve such greatness for the white race. I'm so proud of being white. I can thank God for what he made me to be.

White isn't a race...

[Jute]

There are Black pride, Hispanic pride, and Asian pride events in my city. I don't see why white people can't have pride in being white. To say they can't would be racist.

The problem is no one can agree on what exactly "white" is, and that it includes several vastly different ethnicities. Like I said "English heritage pride" or "Italian heritage Pride" would maybe make more sense, and that's of course using "pride" in a wider meaning.

[Jute]

White Pride should definitely be allowed. In fact, it should be encouraged. It was White Men that invented ship navigation. It was White Men that sailed the seas and made new countries in America. And you know why? God! God gave White men the ability to think and have emotions. God gave white men ingenuity. God made White men in his own image and we are destined to achieve such greatness for the white race. I'm so proud of being white. I can thank God for what he made me to be.

Ugh, I hope you're joking. There's a lot of very debatable points in there.

[Mokastana]

From what I can tell... 'English' pride is socially acceptable, 'German' pride is socially acceptable, 'Latino' pride is socially acceptable, 'African American' pride is socially acceptable....

It seems to all be fine if you are celebrating your cultural roots, but for some reason the celebrating the cultures from areas with darker skin tones tends to cause some lighter people to ask "where is the white pride?" "Why is white pride unacceptable?"

Simply put, its because the term 'white pride' has been jacked by ignorant racists who think being more pale than others is some sort of accomplishment. However, if you really want some sort of culture to take pride in, look up what particular type of 'white' you are. Being proud of your heritage and wanting to help others of a similar background is more than just skin tone. Identify the cultures and particulars that your family has.

'White pride' exists and it socially acceptable, you just have to know what to look for. Its there, its everywhere, get out and look for it. Find out more about your history than 'white'. There are organizations for Irish-Americans, German-Americans, Russian Americans and who knows how many more. There are rich histories out there to be proud of. Go celebrate it.

[L Ron Cupboard]

I take pride in what I can do, what I have achieved, not an accident of my birth.

Looks like Jim has already said what I was going to say.

[Dalmatia-Slovenia 1931-1945]

No. White Pride is not acceptable, white pride caused the starvation, slavery and death of millions of people. It has caused imperialism, colonialism, genocide and a lot of other horrible things. White people should be aware of their privileges but not be proud of it. White Pride is one of the most fascist and reactionary things in the world. It is a horrible thing. Individual culture is ok but pride for the most aggressive horrible race in existence is a horrible thing. I am white and I still think white history is horrible.

I really hope that you are a troll and this is a joke

[Jute]

And sometimes you can feel a mixture of both. Proud of your education you gave and thankful that your children turned out the way they did, for example.

Those are two different feelings, not one.

But they can be hard to distinguish, I think. Emphasis on "can".

[Terra Sector Union]

White Pride should definitely be allowed. In fact, it should be encouraged. It was White Men that invented ship navigation. It was White Men that sailed the seas and made new countries in America. And you know why? God! God gave White men the ability to think and have emotions. God gave white men ingenuity. God made White men in his own image and we are destined to achieve such greatness for the white race. I'm so proud of being white. I can thank God for what he made me to be.

You sure like to say God a lot. I can't believe you think that God singled out an entire skin color of humanity so they can be superior to others. Then again, you sound like an awful troll.

[Jute]

White Pride should definitely be allowed. In fact, it should be encouraged. It was White Men that invented ship navigation. It was White Men that sailed the seas and made new countries in America. And you know why? God! God gave White men the ability to think and have emotions. God gave white men ingenuity. God made White men in his own image and we are destined to achieve such greatness for the white race. I'm so proud of being white. I can thank God for what he made me to be.

You sure like to say God a lot. I can't believe you think that God singled out an entire skin color of humanity so they can be superior to others.

Jesus most likely wasn't even white himself...

[The Transcaucasian Democratic Republic]

There are Black pride, Hispanic pride, and Asian pride events in my city. I don't see why white people can't have pride in being white. To say they can't would be racist.

The problem is no one can agree on what exactly "white" is, and that it includes several vastly different ethnicities. Like I said "English heritage pride" or "Italian heritage Pride" would maybe make more sense, and that's of course using "pride" in a wider meaning.

But ''Hispanic heritage pride'' is nonsensical too.

[Republic of Coldwater]

White Pride should definitely be allowed. In fact, it should be encouraged. It was White Men that invented ship navigation. It was White Men that sailed the seas and made new countries in America. And you know why? God! God gave White men the ability to think and have emotions. God gave white men ingenuity. God made White men in his own image and we are destined to achieve such greatness for the white race. I'm so proud of being white. I can thank God for what he made me to be.

God gave black men, asian men and latino men the same things.

Keep in mind that the Arabs and Chinese have also built very sophisticated methods of navigation, and have sailed many seas and institued a huge trade network in western asia and east europe, and it were Mongolians like Genghis Khan who were fighting the Japanese on one side of their kingdom, and the Greeks on another. Keep in mind that there were numerous African empires that were great and were accomplished, like other European empires, and that intuition and inquisitiveness is not exclusive to whites.

[Terra Sector Union]

You sure like to say God a lot. I can't believe you think that God singled out an entire skin color of humanity so they can be superior to others.

Jesus most likely wasn't even white himself...

He probably believes in the Anglo-saxon representation of Jesus in paintings.

[Jute]

The problem is no one can agree on what exactly "white" is, and that it includes several vastly different ethnicities. Like I said "English heritage pride" or "Italian heritage Pride" would maybe make more sense, and that's of course using "pride" in a wider meaning.

But ''Hispanic heritage pride'' is nonsensical too.

Hispanics have a somewhat common history, though.

[Camelza]

Those are two different feelings, not one.

But they can be hard to distinguish, I think. Emphasis on "can".

Pherhaps, but this doesn't mean they're a single feeling. Therefore one should only feel proud for what he, or she achieves as a person and not feel proud for deeds done by others than himself, or herself.

[The Transcaucasian Democratic Republic]

But ''Hispanic heritage pride'' is nonsensical too.

Hispanics have a somewhat common history, though.

So? Canadians and Jamaicans have a somewhat common history.

[Ieperithem]

Surely people can find a better way to identify themselves than their skin tone? It's like founding a "Ginger Pride" club. Nonsense.

Yeah, it seems like they're confusing skin color with ethnicity. Why not call it "Anglo-American/German/etc. heritage Pride" or something like that?

I agree. I'd join a German or British student union, or one for descendants of the original pilgrims.

[Las Palmeras]

No one should be proud of their race/ethnicity. They mean absolutely nothing.

So it means nothing that one race has done more than other races?
Whites and South-East Asians have done more than Central Asians, Arabs, Blacks, Native Polynesians, Native Americans (South and North) since 1870 than those races have since the beginning of time.

In the 1800s we had working machinery and empires stretching the Earth while African Tribes were yet to discover the wheel. Now, tell me why I shouldn't be proud of that?

Technically Arabs are "white". And they certainly outclassed your ancestors during their peak in the Middle Ages with their technical processes. The Dogon people of Africa for whatever reasons they had also had some fairly decent calculations on Sirius' orbit. Some of my Native American ancestors most likely belonged to a culture with a heavily planned urban system with functional public services and drainage that had millions of inhabitants by the 1500s and their devotion to maintaining their cosmic order assured extremely precise astronomical calculations along with architectural ones. Tenochtitlan outclassed many European cities in many respects, oh, and there's also the impressive installations in Chaco Canyon when it comes to those poor dumb brown savages...but why should I be proud of that? I'm part European too and that old Aztec state is dead. And I cherry-picked examples that contradict your cherry picked examples which start during the second Industrial Revolution. During the first Industrial Revolution things weren't as one-sided, take for example...British efforts in India or China. During the European Conquest of the Americas, there was European technical superiority but 50%-90% of the populace were killed of in a short amount of time due to unfamiliar diseases. If I were to go further back in time, where would your pride be? Your source of pride would be a bunch of smelly barbarians who eat sausages in Near East and Mediterranean eyes if it were not for the grand Roman cultural and social conquests. But...history has no times for what ifs. There could be thousands of what-ifs.

The grand achievements you list are Greco-Roman Law and Logic combined with Judeo-Christian dogma modified over the course of hundreds of years, a society of people who picked up the rubble of the Past to become peasants and lords, and then craftsmen payed by work-shop owners who turned into laborers and engineers working in factories for their owners and who required cheap resources by conquering and exploiting "lesser races"; all in a turn of events peaked in the 19th Century and whose consequences and geopolitics caused two World Wars and a Bipolar World for a while, all eventually leading to a globalized world seemingly with Pax Americana. All a grand causality of irreplaceable events caused by circumstances and chance, and of course, necessity and the unrepeatable and ever-changing interpretations of reality placed to practicality, AKA, "Culture".

The more you look at it, the more it seems there are ups and downs in a wheel of fortune moved by a butterfly's wings; for determined peoples and the civilizations they build with their cultures while they interact with others. I don't have any racial pride even if I've lived in two countries and know two languages and this and that. What can I do? I'm an individual with a long line of dead men and predecessors before me, just like everybody else. In time my "in-Group's" culture will modify and change through cultural exchange and history in the making. A friend has a Lebanese grandpa, some cousins of mine have a Japanese mother...what's it to me? If human beings have lived on Earth for a majority of a time without race...and with intermediate and varied Y-DNA groups scattered unevenly around the globe (yes, groups don't spread evenly in color due to geographic conditions, ask the Ainu or the Sami or some Turkic peoples or the Negritos in Southeast Asia), what's climate-based adaptation to me? If I had pride in skin color or cultural achievements, it feels like I'd be praising a sand castle in a seashore. It'll tumble down in water and wind, and more people will make a different sand castle out of the same sand maybe in a different day under different circumstances with a different mindset. White Pride, Black Pride, Latino Pride, Racial "Realism" etc. It's all the same to me. It's pretentious cherry-picking of causality and temporary events interpreted in questionable ways. Besides, since when is history supposed to be a feel-good story with glazed cherries? If I were to tell you what I think of humanity's history, it'd be simple: people have died, people have suffered, and people will suffer.

[Libacur]

So it means nothing that one race has done more than other races?
Whites and South-East Asians have done more than Central Asians, Arabs, Blacks, Native Polynesians, Native Americans (South and North) since 1870 than those races have since the beginning of time.

In the 1800s we had working machinery and empires stretching the Earth while African Tribes were yet to discover the wheel. Now, tell me why I shouldn't be proud of that?

Well I don't know those Polynesians crafted a series of civilizations across various islands merely by small boat. Not to mention the cultures they developed are amazing to study.

Africans didn't do much?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_empires

What about the Meso-American civilizations did they not exist?

As in technological advancements, the feats of the Polynesians were incredible, and the Meso-American empires had beautiful culture and architectural feats. But the white race has done more for humanity than all of them combined, with the exception Hammurabi's Code.