Oklahoma Bans AP US History

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

This is why I think the federal government should be in charge of education, and not the individual states.

Yes, because the Feds have SUCH a stellar record when it comes to 'not totally goobering everything up to the point of fail'. No thanks.

[Val Halla]

One thought. You can't ban the past. Just sayin'.

[The Orson Empire]

This is why I think the federal government should be in charge of education, and not the individual states.

Yes, because the Feds have SUCH a stellar record when it comes to 'not totally goobering everything up to the point of fail'. No thanks.

Do you honestly think the states can do any better?

[Udinia]

Yes, because the Feds have SUCH a stellar record when it comes to 'not totally goobering everything up to the point of fail'. No thanks.

Do you honestly think the states can do any better?

The states tend to know their population better than the Feds.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

This is why I think the federal government should be in charge of education, and not the individual states.

Yes, because the Feds have SUCH a stellar record when it comes to 'not totally goobering everything up to the point of fail'. No thanks.

It's not like Oklahoma shows to be any better with this stupid idea of theirs.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Do you honestly think the states can do any better?

The states tend to know their population better than the Feds.

I don't believe so.

[Udinia]

The states tend to know their population better than the Feds.

I don't believe so.

Why would that be?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

What blind arrogance.

First off, as many have pointed out - history happens. The supposed 'sins of our fathers' are not ours. And if we want to avoid recommitting them, we probably ought to have a solid idea on what happened, why, and the circumstances surrounding it all. Just a thought.

Second off, if one truly wants to be patriotic, one ought to be able to own up to the history of one's nation - good or bad - and be willing to push to continue making it a better place than it was previously, no? Not to bury at all costs any indication that a nation may have at some point done something 'wrong' or distasteful, or at worst, even downright evil. As mentioned above - things done before our time were not done by us. But it behooves us to acknowledge things done, and avoid doing them in the future, if they were wrong. And to learn from mistakes. And strive to build a better society.

What the hell else is the point of history otherwise? To sit around and point fingers? To bawl about 'the good old days' while we circle the drain? To blame others while not putting any effort into improving our situation ourselves?

... Damn. That went scary places. I could swear that shit goes on today. Go fig. -_- (But yes, this is a stupid bill, and those pushing it forward should feel stupid. As punishment, they ought to be placed in a room and be forced to watch the Twilight series on loop for a week. At least. Or would that be 'cruel and unusual punishment?)

That's too light. FAR TOO LIGHT, for this mockery.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I don't believe so.

Why would that be?

Because even at the state legislature you have state legislators who don't know jack shit other than the environment they live in.

Most of the legislators in Texas come from district zones which are rather wealthy, for instance, and they're all a bunch of dipshits. Yes, in case people do not remember, we, the State of Texas, tried to revise History books.

[Udinia]

Why would that be?

Because even at the state legislature you have state legislators who don't know jack shit other than the environment they live in.

Most of the legislators in Texas come from district zones which are rather wealthy, for instance, and they're all a bunch of dipshits. Yes, in case people do not remember, we, the State of Texas, tried to revise History books.

Point made.

[Osterreich-Bayern]

Idk how to claim the course is liberal bias. I can see the teacher being liberal and that showing (true from personal experience) but banning a history class for not being patriotic enough is outrageous-republican

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Yes, because the Feds have SUCH a stellar record when it comes to 'not totally goobering everything up to the point of fail'. No thanks.

Do you honestly think the states can do any better?

Some yes, others no. But at least we won't have every damned student in the U.S. being affected when some jingoistic fuckwit is inevitably placed in charge of the curriculum by a hard-right president, or even a moderate looking to score points with the base.

[Scomagia]

Yes, because the Feds have SUCH a stellar record when it comes to 'not totally goobering everything up to the point of fail'. No thanks.

Do you honestly think the states can do any better?

A few will fuck up, sure. On the whole, though, the states can handle many of their affairs far, far better than some suit hundreds of miles away.

[Scomagia]

Idk how to claim the course is liberal bias. I can see the teacher being liberal and that showing (true from personal experience) but banning a history class for not being patriotic enough is outrageous-republican

Don't just pin it on the Republicans. The spineless glad-handers we know as Democrats would echo the same bullshit if would get them more votes than it cost them.

[Cyrisnia]

Idk how to claim the course is liberal bias. I can see the teacher being liberal and that showing (true from personal experience) but banning a history class for not being patriotic enough is outrageous-republican

Don't just pin it on the Republicans. The spineless glad-handers we know as Democrats would echo the same bullshit if would get them more votes than it cost them.

^^This.

As of now American politics has taken a turn to a state of number wanking similar to a bad International Incidents thread.

[Othelos]

Yes, because the Feds have SUCH a stellar record when it comes to 'not totally goobering everything up to the point of fail'. No thanks.

Do you honestly think the states can do any better?

There are many states with good quality education.

[Conserative Morality]

Don't just pin it on the Republicans. The spineless glad-handers we know as Democrats would echo the same bullshit if would get them more votes than it cost them.

lol

False equivalencies are always fun.

[Geilinor]

Don't just pin it on the Republicans. The spineless glad-handers we know as Democrats would echo the same bullshit if would get them more votes than it cost them.

^^This.

As of now American politics has taken a turn to a state of number wanking similar to a bad International Incidents thread.

At this point, putting NSG in charge of Oklahoma would be better.

[Osterreich-Bayern]

Don't just pin it on the Republicans. The spineless glad-handers we know as Democrats would echo the same bullshit if would get them more votes than it cost them.

^^This.

As of now American politics has taken a turn to a state of number wanking similar to a bad International Incidents thread.

I wasn't pinning this against republicans I simply signed that I was one

[Scomagia]

Don't just pin it on the Republicans. The spineless glad-handers we know as Democrats would echo the same bullshit if would get them more votes than it cost them.

lol

False equivalencies are always fun.

I'm just saying that, even as someone who despises the GOP, I'm observant enough to know that they aren't alone in how they pander.

[Indira]

Since when do facts matter? This is ridiculous. History is hardly all sweetness and light and every country has parts that they should not be proud of. And American Exceptionalism? That's just an idiotic idea.

[Conserative Morality]

This is why I think the federal government should be in charge of education, and not the individual states.

Yes, because the Feds have SUCH a stellar record when it comes to 'not totally goobering everything up to the point of fail'. No thanks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Highway_System
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta ... al_Service
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Bu ... estigation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_and_D ... nistration

[Indira]

What blind arrogance.

First off, as many have pointed out - history happens. The supposed 'sins of our fathers' are not ours. And if we want to avoid recommitting them, we probably ought to have a solid idea on what happened, why, and the circumstances surrounding it all. Just a thought.

Second off, if one truly wants to be patriotic, one ought to be able to own up to the history of one's nation - good or bad - and be willing to push to continue making it a better place than it was previously, no? Not to bury at all costs any indication that a nation may have at some point done something 'wrong' or distasteful, or at worst, even downright evil. As mentioned above - things done before our time were not done by us. But it behooves us to acknowledge things done, and avoid doing them in the future, if they were wrong. And to learn from mistakes. And strive to build a better society.

What the hell else is the point of history otherwise? To sit around and point fingers? To bawl about 'the good old days' while we circle the drain? To blame others while not putting any effort into improving our situation ourselves?

... Damn. That went scary places. I could swear that shit goes on today. Go fig. -_- (But yes, this is a stupid bill, and those pushing it forward should feel stupid. As punishment, they ought to be placed in a room and be forced to watch the Twilight series on loop for a week. At least. Or would that be 'cruel and unusual punishment?)

That's too light. FAR TOO LIGHT, for this mockery.

IDK, this IS Twilight we're talking about...

[Neo-Chicago]

Honestly, I would have to actually see an excerpt from the textbook in order to determine whether or not this was reasonable.

[Robert Magoo]

Don't just pin it on the Republicans. The spineless glad-handers we know as Democrats would echo the same bullshit if would get them more votes than it cost them.

lol

False equivalencies are always fun.

It's not a false equivalence. Both major parties, and even a lot of minor parties, care more about votes than anything else. What differences there are aren't due to the parties themselves as much as their base.