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Is Oklahoma justified in banning AP US History?

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No
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Arana
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Postby Arana » Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:02 pm

To Quoc Duc wrote:
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Goddammit, what is it with all of these people admitting it when they're wrong on a bit of factual information lately? I thought that this was NSG!


I'm a man and not a child, when I'm mistaken I admit the fact like an adult :p

That's not how it works. You're supposed to argue against me relentlessly, calling me un-American and evil! >:(
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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:02 pm

To Quoc Duc wrote:I humbly request you forgive my ignorance! I apologize.

It's fine. I thought I knew about the Higgs boson and somebody corrected me. We all make mistakes and don't know all in the universe.
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
To Quoc Duc wrote:I humbly request you forgive my ignorance! I apologize.


Goddammit, what is it with all of these people admitting it when they're wrong on a bit of factual information lately? I thought that this was NSG!

Honesty has made a comeback. For now. I prefer it to willful ignorance.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:03 pm

To Quoc Duc wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Goddammit, what is it with all of these people admitting it when they're wrong on a bit of factual information lately? I thought that this was NSG!


I'm a man and not a child, when I'm mistaken I admit the fact like an adult :p


Yes, but you obviously didn't get the memo. When you realize that you're mistaken on NSG, the only thing to do is to value your ego over the truth, double down on your original statement, find some dodgy online sources that seem to back your point, and then result to name-calling and various informal fallacies until moderation gets involved.

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Postby Nerotysia » Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:03 pm

To Quoc Duc wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Goddammit, what is it with all of these people admitting it when they're wrong on a bit of factual information lately? I thought that this was NSG!


I'm a man and not a child, when I'm mistaken I admit the fact like an adult :p

But you're an NSer first, and they never admit when they're wrong. :P

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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:04 pm

Arana wrote:
To Quoc Duc wrote:
I'm a man and not a child, when I'm mistaken I admit the fact like an adult :p

That's not how it works. You're supposed to argue against me relentlessly, calling me un-American and evil! >:(

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
To Quoc Duc wrote:
I'm a man and not a child, when I'm mistaken I admit the fact like an adult :p


Yes, but you obviously didn't get the memo. When you realize that you're mistaken on NSG, the only thing to do is to value your ego over the truth, double down on your original statement, find some dodgy online sources that seem to back your point, and then result to name-calling and various informal fallacies until moderation gets involved.

Guys...he admitted his mistake. This is awesome! I don't know why, but it is.
And I prefer To Quoc Duc to willful ignorance any day!
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to ensure that human rights are respected, with force if necessary, and that all nations recognize the inevitable and unalienable rights of all human beings regardless of their individual and harmless differences, or Idiosyncrasies;
to represent the interests of all humankind to other sapient species;
to protect all humanity and its’ colonies from unneeded violence or danger;
to promote technological advancement and scientific achievement for the happiness, knowledge and welfare of all humans;
and to facilitate cooperation in the spheres of law, transportation, communication, and measurement between nation-states.

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Postby To Quoc Duc » Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:05 pm

Nerotysia wrote:
To Quoc Duc wrote:
I'm a man and not a child, when I'm mistaken I admit the fact like an adult :p

But you're an NSer first, and they never admit when they're wrong. :P


I like your style ;)
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The United Colonies of Earth wrote:I prefer To Quoc Duc to willful ignorance any day!

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:05 pm

The United Colonies of Earth wrote:
Arana wrote:That's not how it works. You're supposed to argue against me relentlessly, calling me un-American and evil! >:(

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Yes, but you obviously didn't get the memo. When you realize that you're mistaken on NSG, the only thing to do is to value your ego over the truth, double down on your original statement, find some dodgy online sources that seem to back your point, and then result to name-calling and various informal fallacies until moderation gets involved.

Guys...he admitted his mistake. This is awesome! I don't know why, but it is.
And I prefer To Quoc Duc to willful ignorance any day!


Yes, but I can't turn down an opening to mock how that sort of thing usually plays out here.

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Postby Costa Fierro » Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:07 pm

See, this is one of the problems with the American system. Too much power given to people who are too ignorant and are able to revise history according to what they consider "acceptable".

The federal government should set the curriculum and the states would not have the power to say otherwise.
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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:07 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
The United Colonies of Earth wrote:
Guys...he admitted his mistake. This is awesome! I don't know why, but it is.
And I prefer To Quoc Duc to willful ignorance any day!


Yes, but I can't turn down an opening to mock how that sort of thing usually plays out here.

Fair enough.
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to ensure that human rights are respected, with force if necessary, and that all nations recognize the inevitable and unalienable rights of all human beings regardless of their individual and harmless differences, or Idiosyncrasies;
to represent the interests of all humankind to other sapient species;
to protect all humanity and its’ colonies from unneeded violence or danger;
to promote technological advancement and scientific achievement for the happiness, knowledge and welfare of all humans;
and to facilitate cooperation in the spheres of law, transportation, communication, and measurement between nation-states.

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Postby To Quoc Duc » Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:07 pm

The United Colonies of Earth wrote:Guys...he admitted his mistake. This is awesome! I don't know why, but it is.
And I prefer To Quoc Duc to willful ignorance any day!



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The United Colonies of Earth wrote:I prefer To Quoc Duc to willful ignorance any day!

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Postby Atlanticatia » Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:08 pm

I hope that the College Board releases a statement refusing to censor or change their APUSH curriculum.
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Postby NeoColumbia » Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:08 pm

The problem isn't that it's taught it's that it's potrayed as bad.

I never understood why the conquest of the natives is always potrayed as a bad thing, the country wouldn't fucking exist if we hadn't.

Oh boo hoo some of them were nice, yeah and a lot of them weren't.
Theres nothing harmonius about sacking villages and scalping Men,Women and Children.
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Postby Arana » Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:08 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:See, this is one of the problems with the American system. Too much power given to people who are too ignorant and are able to revise history according to what they consider "acceptable".

The federal government should set the curriculum and the states would not have the power to say otherwise.

OBAMUNAZISM! KILL IT WITH FIRE!

Seriously though, that really should be the case.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:08 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:See, this is one of the problems with the American system. Too much power given to people who are too ignorant and are able to revise history according to what they consider "acceptable".

The federal government should set the curriculum and the states would not have the power to say otherwise.


Of course, the problem with that is that it assumes that we're not going to have ignorant people attempting to revise history to what they consider "acceptable" on the national level. Would you trust, say, a George W. Bush appointee to create a curriculum for AP History?

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Postby Ripoll » Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:09 pm

Frankly I think Infringing the right to learn is profoundly unpatriotic. These events happened. We should be able to learn about them. History doesn't have a liberal bias, history doesn't have any bias. This is tea party lunacy at its finest, which will inevitably force conservatives to move to the center And abolish this entire movement altogether.
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Postby Zeinbrad » Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:09 pm

Well, see you in the Ministry of Truth,Comrades.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:09 pm

NeoColumbia wrote:The problem isn't that it's taught it's that it's potrayed as bad.

I never understood why the conquest of the natives is always potrayed as a bad thing, the country wouldn't fucking exist if we hadn't.

Oh boo hoo some of them were nice, yeah and a lot of them weren't.
Theres nothing harmonius about sacking villages and scalping Men,Women and Children.


There's also nothing nice about massacring Native Americans and then trying to whitewashing it by portraying them as "savages".
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Postby Nerotysia » Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:10 pm

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Nerotysia wrote:But you're an NSer first, and they never admit when they're wrong. :P


I like your style ;)

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Postby Ripoll » Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:11 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
To Quoc Duc wrote:
I'm a man and not a child, when I'm mistaken I admit the fact like an adult :p


Yes, but you obviously didn't get the memo. When you realize that you're mistaken on NSG, the only thing to do is to value your ego over the truth, double down on your original statement, find some dodgy online sources that seem to back your point, and then result to name-calling and various informal fallacies until moderation gets involved.


People don't do this? I thought this was the norm in any argument where you lose faith in your position.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:11 pm

NeoColumbia wrote:The problem isn't that it's taught it's that it's potrayed as bad.

I never understood why the conquest of the natives is always potrayed as a bad thing, the country wouldn't fucking exist if we hadn't.

Oh boo hoo some of them were nice, yeah and a lot of them weren't.
Theres nothing harmonius about sacking villages and scalping Men,Women and Children.


Sorry, who started the killing of women and children, again?

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Postby To Quoc Duc » Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:12 pm

Nerotysia wrote:
To Quoc Duc wrote:
I like your style ;)

Can I sig that? I think I should sig that so people know that they should love me.


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Postby Murkwood » Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:12 pm

Nice lie in the title OP. "Bans"? Really? Committees can't do that.

As for the crux of the issue, I am a firm believer in states rights, so Oklahoma is perfectly right in doing this. I've heard bad things about the AP US course, so that is good too.
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Postby The Carlisle » Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:12 pm

NeoColumbia wrote:The problem isn't that it's taught it's that it's potrayed as bad.

I never understood why the conquest of the natives is always potrayed as a bad thing, the country wouldn't fucking exist if we hadn't.

Oh boo hoo some of them were nice, yeah and a lot of them weren't.
Theres nothing harmonius about sacking villages and scalping Men,Women and Children.

Neither is it harmonious about disrupting their entire societies and ways of life by forcing them off their homeland and forcing them into barely livable pieces of land.

Neither is there any harmony on making it state policy on killing Buffalo for the explicit purpose of starving plains indians. To be more emotional, state policy on starving innocent children.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:12 pm

Ripoll wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Yes, but you obviously didn't get the memo. When you realize that you're mistaken on NSG, the only thing to do is to value your ego over the truth, double down on your original statement, find some dodgy online sources that seem to back your point, and then result to name-calling and various informal fallacies until moderation gets involved.


People don't do this? I thought this was the norm in any argument where you lose faith in your position.


Some value ego over truth. Some would rather win at any cost than lose and learn something in the process.

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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:12 pm

What the actual fuck? Not patriotic? It's history not a fucking propognlanda class. This is completely outrageous, and is reminiscent of something a totalitarian government would pull: banning something that doesn't glorify the state.

I sincerely hope this is not going to last , as I'm not even sure it's constitutional.
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