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Is Oklahoma justified in banning AP US History?

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Oklahoma Bans AP US History

Postby Atlanticatia » Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:32 pm

An Oklahoma House committee on Monday approved a bill taking aim at the new AP U.S. History framework, which conservatives have decried as unpatriotic and negative, the Tulsa World reported.

State Rep. Dan Fisher (R) introduced a bill at the beginning of the month that keeps the state from funding AP U.S. History unless the College Board changes the curriculum. The bill also orders the state Department of Education to establish a U.S. History program that would replace the AP course.

Since the College Board released a new course framework for U.S. history in October 2012, conservative backlash against the course has grown significantly. The Republican National Committee condemned the course and its "consistently negative view of American history" in August. Numerous states and school districts have now taken action to denounce the exam.

Fisher said Monday that the AP U.S. History course emphasizes "what is bad about America" and complained that the framework eliminated the concept of "American exceptionalism," according to the Tulsa World.

The House Common Education Committee voted for the bill 11-4, with all Republicans voting for the legislation and all Democrats voting against it.

During the hearing on the bill, state lawmakers also questioned the legality of all AP courses, comparing them to Common Core, which Oklahoma has repealed. According to the Tulsa World, lawmakers were concerned that College Board courses could be seen as an effort to create a national curriculum.

Rep. Sally Kern (R) said that she asked the state attorney general to review whether AP courses violate the legislation that repealed Common Core.



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So, the Republican-controlled Oklahoma legislature has voted to ban Advanced Placement for US History for being too "unpatriotic".

Frankly -- this is ridiculous. American history has some negative history: what do they expect the history books to say? "The US had a brilliant agrarian economy supported by black slaves in the South who loved to work for their masters!" No. That's ridiculous. The uncomfortable and negative parts of history need to be taught, so people can learn from past mistakes. And so they can be, well, informed. This is censorship, and essentially similar to a far-right nationalist/extremist government banning materials because it paints the country in a bad light. Also the idea that AP US History didn't promote "American exceptionalism" is extremely stupid -- if you need to stop teaching about things like slavery and killing of Native Americans, then perhaps 'American exceptionalism' isn't a worthy term. The Republican Party has continued to embarrass itself, and frankly this is just insane. This will also be a huge blow to students in Oklahoma who will be less competitive for university admissions because they lack APUSH. I've taken APUSH and I wouldn't say I became a hater of America after taking it, although I felt that I got a very comprehensive and fair depiction of American history. This is ridiculous.


So, NSG, what say ye? Was this justified?
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Postby New Kvenland » Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:34 pm

Damn. I used to like Oklahoma. I agree with you, this is ridiculous.

Is- is this even constitutional?
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:36 pm

Let's just continue to sweep the trail of tears under the rug...
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Postby Romalae » Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:36 pm

APUSH was one of my favorite courses back in high school. Loved it, and had a great teacher. I learned a lot and got six hours of college credit for taking the AP test.

In response to this particular incident in Oklahoma, I will quote Stephen Colbert and mention that reality has a strong liberal bias.
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Postby TotallyNotEvilLand » Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:38 pm

Sure, let's just whitewash all the nasty shit people do. Don't worry, guys! The Vikings didn't rape and pillage, they happily married and traded with the people they visited!
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Postby Jonathanatopia is back » Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:38 pm

The only reason this is even happening is because the conservatives are mad that it is not fully patriotic, and saying why is America bad.

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Postby Robert Magoo » Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:39 pm

Unpatriotic and negative?

The purpose of history is to tell the truth, regardless of what it is.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:40 pm

Clearly they're being paid off by the white paint industry.
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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:40 pm

Jonathanatopia is back wrote:The only reason this is even happening is because the conservatives are mad that it is not fully patriotic, and saying why is America bad.

Why does it have to be patriotic, though?
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Postby Zunkwentania » Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:41 pm

New Kvenland wrote:Damn. I used to like Oklahoma. I agree with you, this is ridiculous.

Is- is this even constitutional?

I hope not.

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The United Colonies of Earth wrote:
Jonathanatopia is back wrote:The only reason this is even happening is because the conservatives are mad that it is not fully patriotic, and saying why is America bad.

Why does it have to be patriotic, though?


No, I agree it does not have to be fully patriotic but that is main opposition point of AP US History.

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Postby Romalae » Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:42 pm

TotallyNotEvilLand wrote:Sure, let's just whitewash all the nasty shit people do. Don't worry, guys! The Vikings didn't rape and pillage, they happily married and traded with the people they visited!

To be fair though, the Vikings actually did trade with a lot of groups, especially as time went on in the Viking Age.
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Postby United Russian Soviet States » Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:42 pm

I would prefer if a neutral view was presented on history.
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Postby Kedor » Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:42 pm

Robert Magoo wrote:Unpatriotic and negative?

The purpose of history is to tell the truth, regardless of what it is.


History is falsified fiction made up by the patriarchy to give the people a false sense of pride for our false moralities. We have been servants to our pony benefactors for a long time.

Wake up sheeple.

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Postby Jonathanatopia is back » Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:43 pm

United Russian Soviet States wrote:I would prefer if a neutral view was presented on history.


I agree

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Postby Arana » Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:44 pm

TotallyNotEvilLand wrote:Sure, let's just whitewash all the nasty shit people do. Don't worry, guys! The Vikings didn't rape and pillage, they happily married and traded with the people they visited!

Actually, a lot of them did trade peacefully, and in many places such as Ireland settled down with locals. And raped and pillaged.

Seriously though, this is simply idiotic. Our history is pretty shitty. We've done everything we criticize other countries for doing, and that needs to be known. We can't just brush aside the parts of history we don't like.
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Postby Eastern Equestria » Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:45 pm

I'm flabbergasted by the amount of sheer stupidity at display. This is anti-intellectualism at it's fucking finest. Well-fucking-done, Oklahoma.

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:45 pm

United Russian Soviet States wrote:I would prefer if a neutral view was presented on history.

It may be at the present moment, and the Republicans would still be doing this because America has done some really terrible things, and telling students about those things might give them the idea that we are not the most amazingly perfect country that ever has or ever will exist.
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Postby Atlanticatia » Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:45 pm

United Russian Soviet States wrote:I would prefer if a neutral view was presented on history.


AP US History takes a neutral view. It teaches facts. Some of those facts are unfortunate and place America in a bad light. That doesn't mean we should whitewash history.
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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:45 pm

Jonathanatopia is back wrote:
The United Colonies of Earth wrote:Why does it have to be patriotic, though?


No, I agree it does not have to be fully patriotic but that is main opposition point of AP US History.

Ah. I see. Well then, the idiots in the Oklahoma government are demanding what, exactly- that people not try to take on other perspectives? That we can't highlight our nation's ills and benefits?
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Postby Luminesa » Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:45 pm

This is ridiculous beyond words. I was in an APUSH class, last year, and I don't see what was so "unpatriotic" about it.

Sure, there are some bad things in our country's history, but there's also a ton of good things. While I can't judge their motives, this is nonetheless a stupid move.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:46 pm

The House Common Education Committee voted for the bill 11-4, with all Republicans voting for the legislation and all Democrats voting against it.

Why am I not surprised?
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Postby Nerotysia » Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:47 pm

Wait, this is a thing? Republicans are actually upset about this? I think this is a conspiracy to make me despise their party as much as possible.

This will literally do nothing except harm their state by driving it further backwards into stupidity.

Also, someone needs to tell these people that teaching history has nothing to do with patriotism.
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Postby Ordia » Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:54 pm

Hi, Oklahoman (and lover of history) here. Interesting article.

Is this ridiculous? Yes.

I'd like to find out what parts if not the whole thing that they consider "unpatriotic" but whatever.
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Postby SaintB » Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:54 pm

You can't have people that think critically and know what kind of things have happened in the past when a bunch of ignorant half human half swine hybrids had control.
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