Do you support the death penalty?

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

No it's not! The death penalty is a disgusting and barbaric practice that should be banned forever. It has been abused too many times in human history.

And? I'm not saying that it is not disguting. But grow up, LIFE is disguting.

Should we strive to make the world... Less sucky?

[Distruzio]

How often is it abused now?

Very often, such as by dictatorial regimes that still exist, and it still has the potential to be abused in democratic nations.

... were we talking about death penalties in dictatorial regimes? I was under the impression we were talking about the death penalty in westernized nations. Also, the potential to be abused? Really? You're planting your soapbox on a hypothetical "if" when you speak from on high?

[Distruzio]

And? I'm not saying that it is not disguting. But grow up, LIFE is disguting.

Should we strive to make the world... Less sucky?

Of course. By removing the "sucky" bits. Such as those who would threaten the safety of society.

[The Orson Empire]

Very often, such as by dictatorial regimes that still exist, and it still has the potential to be abused in democratic nations.

... were we talking about death penalties in dictatorial regimes? I was under the impression we were talking about the death penalty in westernized nations. Also, the potential to be abused? Really? You're planting your soapbox on a hypothetical "if" when you speak from on high?

It doesn't matter if it is in a dictatorial regime or in a democracy- it's the same.

[Arcanda]

Why should we place value on the lives of those guilty of capital crimes? Why should we support the rehabilitation of such individuals?

Stooping down to their level and killing them makes us just as barbaric as they are. We should rehabilitate them so that they can become productive members of society again.

I completely agree.But in my opinion, that rehabilitation should begin by working unpaid hours building/renovating roads, or harvesting cotton or mining.Then, more "modern" jobs like watering plants or cleaning restrooms.Everything unpaid of course.Then, they'll have the tools to start a new life and work paid hours like everybody else.

[Distruzio]

... were we talking about death penalties in dictatorial regimes? I was under the impression we were talking about the death penalty in westernized nations. Also, the potential to be abused? Really? You're planting your soapbox on a hypothetical "if" when you speak from on high?

It doesn't matter if it is in a dictatorial regime or in a democracy- it's the same.

You're making no sense.

[Aelex]

Should we strive to make the world... Less sucky?

Like by eliminating the rapist/murderer/paedophile; the massive murderers or the terrorists rather than letting them just rot others members of the society?
Quite an good idea!

[Ifreann]

Can you elaborate as to under what circumstances the death penalty would be the proper course of action?

Not looking to debate, just want to hear what you're thinking.

Personally it would be high profile terrorists, I don't see how anyone can argue that high profile terrorists should be spared the needle.

Everyone should be spared the needle, no matter how often they are mentioned on the news.

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Why should we place value on the lives of those guilty of capital crimes?

Because writing off the value of some people's lives runs contrary to the principles of equality and universal human rights.

Why should we support the rehabilitation of such individuals?

So they can be functioning members of society and we won't need to keep them in prison forever.

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Stooping down to their level and killing them makes us just as barbaric as they are. We should rehabilitate them so that they can become productive members of society again.

So the man who rape, mutilate and kill children should just be rehabilitated?
This is not really what we can call "fairness"

Sounds perfectly fair to me.

[The Orson Empire]

Personally it would be high profile terrorists, I don't see how anyone can argue that high profile terrorists should be spared the needle.

Everyone should be spared the needle, no matter how often they are mentioned on the news.

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Why should we place value on the lives of those guilty of capital crimes?

Because writing off the value of some people's lives runs contrary to the principles of equality and universal human rights.

Why should we support the rehabilitation of such individuals?

So they can be functioning members of society and we won't need to keep them in prison forever.

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So the man who rape, mutilate and kill children should just be rehabilitated?
This is not really what we can call "fairness"

Sounds perfectly fair to me.

Finally, someone who agrees with me.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Should we strive to make the world... Less sucky?

Like by eliminating the rapist/murderer/paedophile; the massive murderers or the terrorists rather than letting them just rot others members of the society?
Quite an good idea!

Between locking them up and executing them, world suck decreases at the same amounts. I think even more if we lock them up because of that rehabilitation chance. The suckiness also increases a lot from executing innocents. So, if we truly want the world to suck less, we should not execute people.

[Distruzio]

Why should we place value on the lives of those guilty of capital crimes?

Because writing off the value of some people's lives runs contrary to the principles of equality and universal human rights.

How so?

Why should we support the rehabilitation of such individuals?

So they can be functioning members of society and we won't need to keep them in prison forever.

So its a cost/benefit thing? Isn't it cheaper to punish them/eliminate them than it is to imprison/rehabilitate them?

/honest question

[Aelex]

Between locking them up and executing them, world suck decreases at the same amounts. I think even more if we lock them up because of that rehabilitation chance. The suckiness also increases a lot from executing innocents. So, if we truly want the world to suck less, we should not execute people.

But to do so, the world should be willing to change to. But the world doesn't care. The world is just here.
I'm not saying "free fire on the prisonners", but I'm just saying that some cases are too desesperate, and thus, rather than letting them drag it down, the society should just get ride of them.

[Draakonite]

Because writing off the value of some people's lives runs contrary to the principles of equality and universal human rights.

How so?

So they can be functioning members of society and we won't need to keep them in prison forever.

So its a cost/benefit thing? Isn't it cheaper to punish them/eliminate them than it is to imprison/rehabilitate them?

/honest question

Everyone will now post about the USA sucky system of execution, where it is on average more expensive to execute someone than life imprison. In China the rope is cheaper.

[Aelex]

Everyone will now post about the USA sucky system of execution, where it is on average more expensive to execute someone than life imprison. In China the rope is cheaper.

In the Middle East, a bullet even less.

[Arcanda]

How so?



So its a cost/benefit thing? Isn't it cheaper to punish them/eliminate them than it is to imprison/rehabilitate them?

/honest question

Everyone will now post about the USA sucky system of execution, where it is on average more expensive to execute someone than life imprison. In China the rope is cheaper.

But you need to stay humane.If you're looking for something cheap, you might as well tie the prisoner on Main Street and wait for passerbys to kill him.Try that on a minority member, pop in some bluegrass music, and boom you're back in 1920s Mississippi.

Seriously, if we truly need to satisfy our thrist for blood this way, let's do it with XXIst century methods.

[Ifreann]

Because writing off the value of some people's lives runs contrary to the principles of equality and universal human rights.

How so?

Because per those principles all human lives have equal value.

So they can be functioning members of society and we won't need to keep them in prison forever.

So its a cost/benefit thing? Isn't it cheaper to punish them/eliminate them than it is to imprison/rehabilitate them?

/honest question

It's a minimising the violation of people's rights thing. We must protect people from the violent and criminal members of society and we must also respect the rights of those violent and criminal members of society as much as possible in doing so. If we can safely release them from prison at some point that is preferable to keeping them there forever.

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Between locking them up and executing them, world suck decreases at the same amounts. I think even more if we lock them up because of that rehabilitation chance. The suckiness also increases a lot from executing innocents. So, if we truly want the world to suck less, we should not execute people.

But to do so, the world should be willing to change to. But the world doesn't care. The world is just here.
I'm not saying "free fire on the prisonners", but I'm just saying that some cases are too desesperate, and thus, rather than letting them drag it down, the society should just get ride of them.

If there are so many people who are beyond rehabilitation that trying to rehabilitate them would drag society down then I wonder how such a society could possibly function regardless of how it treats its criminals.

[Draakonite]

Everyone will now post about the USA sucky system of execution, where it is on average more expensive to execute someone than life imprison. In China the rope is cheaper.

But you need to stay humane.If you're looking for something cheap, you might as well tie the prisoner on Main Street and wait for passerbys to kill him.Try that on a minority member, pop in some bluegrass music, and boom you're back in 1920s Mississippi.

Seriously, if we truly need to satisfy our thrist for blood this way, let's do it with XXIst century methods.

Do you talk about execution methods, or why we shouldn't take the cheapest punishment? Because I would take the Rope over an "Injection".

[Ifreann]

How so?



So its a cost/benefit thing? Isn't it cheaper to punish them/eliminate them than it is to imprison/rehabilitate them?

/honest question

Everyone will now post about the USA sucky system of execution, where it is on average more expensive to execute someone than life imprison. In China the rope is cheaper.

Because in the US there is an extensive system of appeals in place to try to keep innocent people from being executed. Whereas in China I imagine they just shoot people.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Between locking them up and executing them, world suck decreases at the same amounts. I think even more if we lock them up because of that rehabilitation chance. The suckiness also increases a lot from executing innocents. So, if we truly want the world to suck less, we should not execute people.

But to do so, the world should be willing to change to. But the world doesn't care. The world is just here.
I'm not saying "free fire on the prisonners", but I'm just saying that some cases are too desesperate, and thus, rather than letting them drag it down, the society should just get ride of them.

This talk of humans as 'wastes of society', below the dirt on our shoes, really troubles me. I mean, these people should be punished to a degree, but there is a difference between a loving correction and getting rid of people.

[Draakonite]

Everyone will now post about the USA sucky system of execution, where it is on average more expensive to execute someone than life imprison. In China the rope is cheaper.

Because in the US there is an extensive system of appeals in place to try to keep innocent people from being executed. Whereas in China I imagine they just shoot people.

On the other hand, in the US a bunch of random idiots, who where to stupid to dodge jury duty, decide if you are guilty or not. In China, someone who has actually studied the laws does it.
I always wondered why life imprisoned don't get those extensive appeals. You can't reverse 40 years spent in prison, either.

[Arcanda]

But you need to stay humane.If you're looking for something cheap, you might as well tie the prisoner on Main Street and wait for passerbys to kill him.Try that on a minority member, pop in some bluegrass music, and boom you're back in 1920s Mississippi.

Seriously, if we truly need to satisfy our thrist for blood this way, let's do it with XXIst century methods.

Do you talk about execution methods, or why we shouldn't take the cheapest punishment? Because I would take the Rope over an "Injection".

I'm talking about both.The rope puts the prisoner through a suffering process, whereas injections may be quicker (Well, when you choose the right kind of injections of course).But yes, either way we shouldn't be taking the cheapest punishment.

[Benuty]

But you need to stay humane.If you're looking for something cheap, you might as well tie the prisoner on Main Street and wait for passerbys to kill him.Try that on a minority member, pop in some bluegrass music, and boom you're back in 1920s Mississippi.

Seriously, if we truly need to satisfy our thrist for blood this way, let's do it with XXIst century methods.

Do you talk about execution methods, or why we shouldn't take the cheapest punishment? Because I would take the Rope over an "Injection".

Hanging isn't the most efficient method especially if the miscalculate the amount of rope needed to the point that it causes accidental decapitation.

[Ostroeuropa]

Do you talk about execution methods, or why we shouldn't take the cheapest punishment? Because I would take the Rope over an "Injection".

Hanging isn't the most efficient method especially if the miscalculate the amount of rope needed to the point that it causes accidental decapitation.

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That sounds fairly efficient to me.

[Draakonite]

Do you talk about execution methods, or why we shouldn't take the cheapest punishment? Because I would take the Rope over an "Injection".

I'm talking about both.The rope puts the prisoner through a suffering process, whereas injections may be quicker (Well, when you choose the right kind of injections of course).But yes, either way we shouldn't be taking the cheapest punishment.

Why quicker? Someone pulls the lever, you fall down, crack broken neck dead, wheres the injection slowly suffocates you.

Do you talk about execution methods, or why we shouldn't take the cheapest punishment? Because I would take the Rope over an "Injection".

Hanging isn't the most efficient method especially if the miscalculate the amount of rope needed to the point that it causes accidental decapitation.

The calculations were made 500 years ago. You don't need to do them twice.

[Arcanda]

Why quicker? Someone pulls the lever, you fall down, crack broken neck dead, wheres the injection slowly suffocates you.

Or you struggle to breath for ten minutes.Read Victor Hugo's testimonies on the subject, he witnessed it back in his time.

The calculations were made 500 years ago. You don't need to do them twice.

I think you need to.It must depend on the guy's neck, his height, his fat, etc...