Do you support the death penalty?

[Distruzio]

Why should we place value on the lives of those guilty of capital crimes? Why should we support the rehabilitation of such individuals?

[Ripoll]

I support Norway's justice system; sentencing for a maximum of 21 years in prison. Rehabilitation works a lot better to deter and prevent crime than simple punishment.

Some people can't and wont be rehabilitated. For smaller crimes sure, but as for murder or even mass murder? Prison for life please.

[Ripoll]

Why should we place value on the lives of those guilty of capital crimes? Why should we support the rehabilitation of such individuals?

Because we aren't always right when someone is sentenced.

[The Orson Empire]

Why should we place value on the lives of those guilty of capital crimes? Why should we support the rehabilitation of such individuals?

Stooping down to their level and killing them makes us just as barbaric as they are. We should rehabilitate them so that they can become productive members of society again.

[Distruzio]

Why should we place value on the lives of those guilty of capital crimes? Why should we support the rehabilitation of such individuals?

Because we aren't always right when someone is sentenced.

Isn't it better to be safer than sorry?

[The Orson Empire]

Because we aren't always right when someone is sentenced.

Isn't it better to be safer than sorry?

What you are essentially saying is "eh, so what if we killed someone that is innocent? It's better to be safe than sorry." Do you not realize how repulsive you sound right now? It's disgusting!

[Aelex]

Why should we place value on the lives of those guilty of capital crimes? Why should we support the rehabilitation of such individuals?

Stooping down to their level and killing them makes us just as barbaric as they are. We should rehabilitate them so that they can become productive members of society again.

So the man who rape, mutilate and kill children should just be rehabilitated?
This is not really what we can call "fairness"

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

I support Norway's justice system; sentencing for a maximum of 21 years in prison. Rehabilitation works a lot better to deter and prevent crime than simple punishment.

Some people can't and wont be rehabilitated. For smaller crimes sure, but as for murder or even mass murder? Prison for life please.

Crime rates show that Norway is much better at solving crimes, though. They must be doing something right.

[Distruzio]

Why should we place value on the lives of those guilty of capital crimes? Why should we support the rehabilitation of such individuals?

Stooping down to their level and killing them makes us just as barbaric as they are. We should rehabilitate them so that they can become productive members of society again.

... the society they preyed upon? Why should they be considered to society once more?

[Aelex]

Isn't it better to be safer than sorry?

What you are essentially saying is "eh, so what if we killed someone that is innocent? It's better to be safe than sorry." Do you not realize how repulsive you sound right now? It's disgusting!

Actually, I'm quite ok with him. It's sad but as long as it remain in the domain of the "Pertes Acceptables", than it's for the best.

[SaintB]

So uhm... sometimes?

Can you elaborate as to under what circumstances the death penalty would be the proper course of action?

Not looking to debate, just want to hear what you're thinking.

There are times where there are people who commit such heinous crimes that they simply can't be allowed to live. There are some people who will never have guilt or remorse for their actions and so should receive the only punishment that will make them feel something approaching that even if its for their own selves. Then there are those who refuse to even try to reform and will go on to be a danger to their fellow prisoners and the people watching/protecting them and if they present a sufficient risk then they should in my opinion be removed.

[Fanosolia]

Some people can't and wont be rehabilitated. For smaller crimes sure, but as for murder or even mass murder? Prison for life please.

Crime rates show that Norway is much better at solving crimes, though. They must be doing something right.

what exactly have they done? could it also be due to cultural differences as well?

[The Orson Empire]

Stooping down to their level and killing them makes us just as barbaric as they are. We should rehabilitate them so that they can become productive members of society again.

So the man who rape, mutilate and kill children should just be rehabilitated?
This is not really what we can call "fairness"

He should obviously face criminal charges, but we shouldn't stoop down to his level and kill him.

[Aelex]

Crime rates show that Norway is much better at solving crimes, though. They must be doing something right.

Or they just are wealthier and fewer. It's maybe that the main point.

[The Orson Empire]

What you are essentially saying is "eh, so what if we killed someone that is innocent? It's better to be safe than sorry." Do you not realize how repulsive you sound right now? It's disgusting!

Actually, I'm quite ok with him. It's sad but as long as it remain in the domain of the "Pertes Acceptables", than it's for the best.

No it's not! The death penalty is a disgusting and barbaric practice that should be banned forever. It has been abused too many times in human history.

[Distruzio]

Isn't it better to be safer than sorry?

What you are essentially saying is "eh, so what if we killed someone that is innocent? It's better to be safe than sorry." Do you not realize how repulsive you sound right now? It's disgusting!

<shrug>

I didn't say that the judicial system didn't need revisiting.

[Distruzio]

Actually, I'm quite ok with him. It's sad but as long as it remain in the domain of the "Pertes Acceptables", than it's for the best.

No it's not! The death penalty is a disgusting and barbaric practice that should be banned forever. It has been abused too many times in human history.

How often is it abused now?

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Crime rates show that Norway is much better at solving crimes, though. They must be doing something right.

what exactly have they done? could it also be due to cultural differences as well?

Because laws represent certain cultural values, 'culture' can't usually be pointed at as a cause for more or less crime. Crime is really affected by government policy. And the policy if Norway to focus on rehabilitation seems to have effect. Correlation does not equal causation, of course, but it is quite telling that the US tops crime rates with their particular prison systems, and nations with rehabilitation as a prime objective usually have much lower crime rates. Homicide rate is halved, for example.

[Aelex]

He should obviously face criminal charges, but we shouldn't stoop down to his level and kill him.

Well, and what if he just raped and mutilated children BUT without killing them; should we still say "Heeeey! He's rehabilitable! I'm pretty sure he won't do it again when he'll be free in 15 years. At least I hope so..."

[The Orson Empire]

No it's not! The death penalty is a disgusting and barbaric practice that should be banned forever. It has been abused too many times in human history.

How often is it abused now?

Very often, such as by dictatorial regimes that still exist, and it still has the potential to be abused in democratic nations.

[The Orson Empire]

He should obviously face criminal charges, but we shouldn't stoop down to his level and kill him.

Well, and what if he just raped and mutilated children BUT without killing them; should we still say "Heeeey! He's rehabilitable! I'm pretty sure he won't do it again when he'll be free in 15 years. At least I hope so..."

The man should obviously spend a very long time in prison, but he should be rehabilitated as well.

[Aelex]

No it's not! The death penalty is a disgusting and barbaric practice that should be banned forever. It has been abused too many times in human history.

And? I'm not saying that it is not disguting. But grow up, LIFE is disguting.

[Fanosolia]

what exactly have they done? could it also be due to cultural differences as well?

Because laws represent certain cultural values, 'culture' can't usually be pointed at as a cause for more or less crime. Crime is really affected by government policy. And the policy if Norway to focus on rehabilitation seems to have effect. Correlation does not equal causation, of course, but it is quite telling that the US tops crime rates with their particular prison systems, and nations with rehabilitation as a prime objective usually have much lower crime rates. Homicide rate is halved, for example.

hmm they must have some good methods then.

[Aelex]

The man should obviously spend a very long time in prison, but he should be rehabilitated as well.

So he'll be able to do it again! Right, I get it!
Such a beautiful judiciary system...

[The Orson Empire]

No it's not! The death penalty is a disgusting and barbaric practice that should be banned forever. It has been abused too many times in human history.

And? I'm not saying that it is not disguting. But grow up, LIFE is disguting.

So we should continue to allow the death penalty simply because "life is disgusting"? This is not a good counterargument.