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Do you support the death penalty?

Poll ended at Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:44 pm

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Fanosolia
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Postby Fanosolia » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:33 am

Sosi wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:What attitude to death?

"Death is bad, I have to attend a funeral & cry just because." It's almost as if we forget that birth begets mortals.


I have a suspicion that you've had an obe, or similar experience.
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The Princes of the Universe
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Postby The Princes of the Universe » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:34 am

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
Sosi wrote:"Death is bad, I have to attend a funeral & cry just because." It's almost as if we forget that birth begets mortals.

Striking out hypocritical things.
The quotes are just a person whining on going to a funeral. Really. It's not because you're morals, or any of that, you're not even concerned with death.
Death also doesn't have to go with a funeral.

I want a party when it's my time to go. With alcohol and karaoke! :p
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Nuwe Suid Afrika
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Postby Nuwe Suid Afrika » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:35 am

I support the death penalty.

Dehumanizing? Yes. But what does that matter when a person already has nearly no rights in prison?

When a man kills two of his children and tries to kill another, rehabilitation will fix nothing. Rapists and child molesters usually get killed by their fellow inmates anyways.


I think the death penalty works well as a deterrent to keep us in place in society. Sure there's jail and prison, but then there's a lethal injection that will put you to sleep for the rest of your life.


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Postby New DeCapito » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:35 am

Ifreann wrote:
New DeCapito wrote:Having the death penalty for murder is hypocrisy. In a way, some judges have murdered more than the murderers.

Sentencing someone to death in accordance with the law is not murder.

Define murder. I define murder as the intentional killing of another human being, what about you?
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:37 am

New DeCapito wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Sentencing someone to death in accordance with the law is not murder.

Define murder. I define murder as the intentional killing of another human being, what about you?

Wrong
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Postby New DeCapito » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:37 am

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
New DeCapito wrote:Define murder. I define murder as the intentional killing of another human being, what about you?

Wrong

Care to explain why?
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Postby Mordakia » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:38 am

New DeCapito wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Sentencing someone to death in accordance with the law is not murder.

Define murder. I define murder as the intentional killing of another human being, what about you?


So do I, I frankly find it disgusting that the intentional killing of one human being is deemed worse than that of another human being and that law could ever take such a preference.
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Postby Nuwe Suid Afrika » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:38 am

New DeCapito wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Sentencing someone to death in accordance with the law is not murder.

Define murder. I define murder as the intentional killing of another human being, what about you?


Murder:
Noun
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

Verb
kill (someone) unlawfully and with premeditation.

Unlawfully. When it's done lawfully in an act of justice (i.e. the death penalty), it is not murder.


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Postby MERIZoC » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:38 am

Nuwe Suid Afrika wrote:I support the death penalty.

Dehumanizing? Yes. But what does that matter when a person already has nearly no rights in prison?

When a man kills two of his children and tries to kill another, rehabilitation will fix nothing. Rapists and child molesters usually get killed by their fellow inmates anyways.


I think the death penalty works well as a deterrent to keep us in place in society. Sure there's jail and prison, but then there's a lethal injection that will put you to sleep for the rest of your life.

I mean, it doesn't, but hey, I used to like to play make-believe too.

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Postby Rob Halfordia » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:38 am

New DeCapito wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:Wrong

Care to explain why?

Because it's not the definition of the fucking word.
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Sosi
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Postby Sosi » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:39 am

Fanosolia wrote:
Sosi wrote:How pragmatic are you being with such opinions?


I don't know. I hardly think I'm pragmatic.

Sosi wrote:It's a brilliant idea. If every crime had a strict consequence there'd be an empathetic incentive not to have so many trivial little laws. Mate, it's brilliant.


Yeah I'm sure that won't back fire on you. Not like an uprising can come from that. Not like people will be paranoid from that.
That's tension for reform. People ought to put pressure on politicians to serve them or they're incorrectly doing democracy.
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Postby New DeCapito » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:39 am

Nuwe Suid Afrika wrote:
New DeCapito wrote:Define murder. I define murder as the intentional killing of another human being, what about you?


Murder:
Noun
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

Verb
kill (someone) unlawfully and with premeditation.

Unlawfully. When it's done lawfully in an act of justice (i.e. the death penalty), it is not murder.

Sure, I can accept that. But it still doesn't make it morally right to kill someone just because some men said you could.
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Postby Nuwe Suid Afrika » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:40 am

Merizoc wrote:I mean, it doesn't, but hey, I used to like to play make-believe too.


Me too. Then I grew out of liberalism.


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Postby Mordakia » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:40 am

Nuwe Suid Afrika wrote:
New DeCapito wrote:Define murder. I define murder as the intentional killing of another human being, what about you?


Murder:
Noun
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

Verb
kill (someone) unlawfully and with premeditation.

Unlawfully. When it's done lawfully in an act of justice (i.e. the death penalty), it is not murder.


Is said law ethically, morally or humanely acceptable?
Is preference of one life over the other ethically, morally or humanely acceptable?

It is unfortunate that premeditated killing could ever be deemed lawful.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:40 am

New DeCapito wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:Wrong

Care to explain why?

Murder is the unlawful killing of another with malice thought. No matter what you say, law will always become involved, and so will people, whenever you kill another person of the same species, hence, unlawful, unless determined lawful because it is justified for x reason.
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Postby Nuwe Suid Afrika » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:41 am

New DeCapito wrote:Sure, I can accept that. But it still doesn't make it morally right to kill someone just because some men said you could.


Our parents teach us our morals, just as theirs taught them theirs. Everyone has their own set of morals. I have the position that the death penalty is morally right, and you have the position that it is morally wrong. Residing on morals unfortunately isn't an argument.


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Postby MERIZoC » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:43 am

Nuwe Suid Afrika wrote:
Merizoc wrote:I mean, it doesn't, but hey, I used to like to play make-believe too.


Me too. Then I grew out of liberalism.

Okay......not sure who you're talking to here.

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Postby Sosi » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:43 am

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
Sosi wrote:"Death is bad, I have to attend a funeral & cry just because." It's almost as if we forget that birth begets mortals.

Striking out hypocritical things.

The quotes are just a person whining on going to a funeral. Really. It's not because you're morals, or any of that, you're not even concerned with death.
Death also doesn't have to go with a funeral.

The most concern it makes sense to have with death is bodily disposal, it needn't be any of of our business outside of that.
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Fanosolia
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Postby Fanosolia » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:46 am

Sosi wrote:
Fanosolia wrote:
I don't know. I hardly think I'm pragmatic.



Yeah I'm sure that won't back fire on you. Not like an uprising can come from that. Not like people will be paranoid from that.
That's tension for reform. People ought to put pressure on politicians to serve them or they're incorrectly doing democracy.


We need it though if there's not reason to revolt, which your idea would give a perfect reason too. You don't see how that's extreme in anyway or see how most people won't put up with it?
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Postby Mordakia » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:46 am

Nuwe Suid Afrika wrote:
New DeCapito wrote:Sure, I can accept that. But it still doesn't make it morally right to kill someone just because some men said you could.


Our parents teach us our morals, just as theirs taught them theirs. Everyone has their own set of morals. I have the position that the death penalty is morally right, and you have the position that it is morally wrong. Residing on morals unfortunately isn't an argument.


In that case, it seems your morals support valuing one life over another merely because of the decisions of a few other people living a few other inconsequential lives. It is hardly our decision to put a price on a life just like our own.
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Postby Nuwe Suid Afrika » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:49 am

Mordakia wrote:
In that case, it seems your morals support valuing one life over another merely because of the decisions of a few other people living a few other inconsequential lives. It is hardly our decision to put a price on a life just like our own.


Although my morals do support the death penalty, I'm not support it simply because it's "morally right".

I support the death penalty.

Dehumanizing? Yes. But what does that matter when a person already has nearly no rights in prison?

When a man kills two of his children and tries to kill another, rehabilitation will fix nothing. Rapists and child molesters usually get killed by their fellow inmates anyways.


I think the death penalty works well as a deterrent to keep us in place in society. Sure there's jail and prison, but then there's a lethal injection that will put you to sleep for the rest of your life.


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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 6.56

This nation supports my real life views.
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Postby Sosi » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:55 am

Fanosolia wrote:
Sosi wrote:That's tension for reform. People ought to put pressure on politicians to serve them or they're incorrectly doing democracy.


We need it though if there's not reason to revolt, which your idea would give a perfect reason too. You don't see how that's extreme in anyway or see how most people won't put up with it?
What do we need if there's no reason to revolt? If there's no reason to revolt in a Democracy politicians will deliberately act against their constituents. Hell, politicians should live in the conditions that the poorest of the poor do. A statesman should be comfortable relative to the least comfortable.
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Postby Aelex » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:59 am

West Aurelia wrote:Except, you know, they're still Homo sapiens.

Being human isn't just being part of a species. It's also being able to both reason and empathize. Altought it must be reserved to some crimes, Death Penalty is still a good thing.
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Postby Mordakia » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:59 am

Nuwe Suid Afrika wrote:
Mordakia wrote:
In that case, it seems your morals support valuing one life over another merely because of the decisions of a few other people living a few other inconsequential lives. It is hardly our decision to put a price on a life just like our own.


Although my morals do support the death penalty, I'm not support it simply because it's "morally right".

I support the death penalty.

Dehumanizing? Yes. But what does that matter when a person already has nearly no rights in prison?

When a man kills two of his children and tries to kill another, rehabilitation will fix nothing. Rapists and child molesters usually get killed by their fellow inmates anyways.


I think the death penalty works well as a deterrent to keep us in place in society. Sure there's jail and prison, but then there's a lethal injection that will put you to sleep for the rest of your life.


What if they're innocent? Studies have shown 4% of Death Row Inmates are and so since 1976, as many as 56 innocent people have been killed in America.

Also, by saying it doesn't matter because they have no rights in prison, you're just opening up another debate on another human travesty.
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Postby Fanosolia » Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:06 am

Sosi wrote:
Fanosolia wrote:
We need it though if there's not reason to revolt, which your idea would give a perfect reason too. You don't see how that's extreme in anyway or see how most people won't put up with it?
What do we need if there's no reason to revolt? If there's no reason to revolt in a Democracy politicians will deliberately act against their constituents. Hell, politicians should live in the conditions that the poorest of the poor do. A statesman should be comfortable relative to the least comfortable.


Okay one less reason to revolt. I'm saying that killing people in the name of deterring crime, even the small stuff, would cause a revolt. I'm sorry if think keeping the peace is more important that deterring crime to an extreme.
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