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Do you support the death penalty?

Poll ended at Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:44 pm

Yes
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No
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Total votes : 338

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Ifreann
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:48 am

Draakonite wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Basic human decency, maybe?

Oh, I'm sorry, you clearly aren't familiar with the concept of basic human decency.


This isn't an alternative to Live imprisonment, but one to death penalty.

Ah, I see.
And why is executing someone more "decent" than giving him the choice between a bullet and selling war bonds over phone?

Executing someone by starvation is rather less decent than the means of execution employed today that are generally less drawn out and painful.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:50 am

Ifreann wrote:
Draakonite wrote:
This isn't an alternative to Live imprisonment, but one to death penalty.

Ah, I see.
And why is executing someone more "decent" than giving him the choice between a bullet and selling war bonds over phone?

Executing someone by starvation is rather less decent than the means of execution employed today that are generally less drawn out and painful.


More dangerous too when you get down to it.
A long, drawn out process with a human getting more and more weak and having their immune system compromised.
Hundreds of them.
All in the same building.
That's just asking for the zombie apocalypse.
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Postby Arkolon » Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:50 am

Some crimes might deserve the death penalty. I'm not categorically ruling out the possibility.
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Postby Draakonite » Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:56 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Ah, I see.

Executing someone by starvation is rather less decent than the means of execution employed today that are generally less drawn out and painful.


More dangerous too when you get down to it.
A long, drawn out process with a human getting more and more weak and having their immune system compromised.
Hundreds of them.
All in the same building.
That's just asking for the zombie apocalypse.


Implying that the majority of convicted would rather starve than work.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:58 am

Draakonite wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
More dangerous too when you get down to it.
A long, drawn out process with a human getting more and more weak and having their immune system compromised.
Hundreds of them.
All in the same building.
That's just asking for the zombie apocalypse.


Implying that the majority of convicted would rather starve than work.


Ohh.
You want to make food a luxury good.
In prison.
Where working for "The Man" gets you access to this luxury good, and where not having it is not only an inconvenience, but a death sentence.
That'll end well.
Should we just cut right to the chase and have most of the work be digging their own graves?
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Postby Atlanticatia » Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:59 am

No. I think that there is too much room for error and I don't agree with it as a punishment in general. Life imprisonment without parole is much better.
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Postby Socialist Tera » Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:59 am

Yes, only for mass murderers, rapists or terrorist. It is only used on the most serious of crimes.
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Postby Draakonite » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:02 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Draakonite wrote:
Implying that the majority of convicted would rather starve than work.


Ohh.
You want to make food a luxury good.
In prison.
Where working for "The Man" gets you access to this luxury good, and where not having it is not only an inconvenience, but a death sentence.
That'll end well.
Should we just cut right to the chase and have most of the work be digging their own graves?


Many people live in a nation where not working means starving. Why should it be any different in jail, especially since it will be applied to people who whoud have died otherwise (sentenced to death).

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:04 am

Socialist Tera wrote:Yes, only for mass murderers, rapists or terrorist. It is only used on the most serious of crimes.

If you make rape a capital offence then you are providing rapists with a powerful incentive to murder their victims. Like, they would be in a life or death situation and murdering their victim to better cover up their crime would be the means to acquire "life". That's probably not going to be a good thing.

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Postby Sosi » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:04 am

I don't support the death penalty. Though, I wouldn't mind were it quick & painless.
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Postby Sun Wukong » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:06 am

Draakonite wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Ohh.
You want to make food a luxury good.
In prison.
Where working for "The Man" gets you access to this luxury good, and where not having it is not only an inconvenience, but a death sentence.
That'll end well.
Should we just cut right to the chase and have most of the work be digging their own graves?


Many people live in a nation where not working means starving. Why should it be any different in jail, especially since it will be applied to people who whoud have died otherwise (sentenced to death).

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Postby Greater Mackonia » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:06 am

I think it is the most humane form of justice.
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Postby Sosi » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:07 am

Socialist Tera wrote:Yes, only for mass murderers, rapists or terrorist. It is only used on the most serious of crimes.
I'd prefer all crimes, assuming a quick & painless process. It's a relief that way.
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Postby Kalifati Arab shqiptar » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:07 am

On special circumstances, yes.

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Postby New Werpland » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:07 am

Greater Mackonia wrote:I think it is the most humane form of justice.

:clap:
If your not being sarcastic I agree with you, saying that people don't deserve the death penalty would be saying that we aren't responsible for what we do.

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:08 am

Sosi wrote:
Socialist Tera wrote:Yes, only for mass murderers, rapists or terrorist. It is only used on the most serious of crimes.
I'd prefer all crimes, assuming a quick & painless process. It's a relief that way.

...what?

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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:08 am

Greater Mackonia wrote:I think it is the most humane form of justice.

Ehm, what would be less humane than killing someone?
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Postby Insaeldor » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:12 am

I kind of support it. I hate how common it is used here in the states but a feel things like mass murder, treason, and any other capital offenses can lead to a death penalty so long as you can prove it was the said person beyond a reasonable doubt.
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Postby Greater Mackonia » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:12 am

New Werpland wrote:
Greater Mackonia wrote:I think it is the most humane form of justice.

:clap:
If your not being sarcastic I agree with you, saying that people don't deserve the death penalty would be saying that we aren't responsible for what we do.


No I was not being sarcastic. However I hold this for rather different reasons than you do, I find the death penalty simply a far more honest and amoral way of maintaining a necessary level of social discipline, far better than a "rehabilitation" which merely murders the spirit to replace it with one man's vision of humanity.
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Postby Greater Mackonia » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:13 am

Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:
Greater Mackonia wrote:I think it is the most humane form of justice.

Ehm, what would be less humane than killing someone?


A great many things.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:14 am

Greater Mackonia wrote:
Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:Ehm, what would be less humane than killing someone?


A great many things.

That's not an answer. What would be a less humane form of justice? Please make the answer at least a bit relevant.
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Postby Kalifati Arab shqiptar » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:14 am

Sosi wrote:
Socialist Tera wrote:Yes, only for mass murderers, rapists or terrorist. It is only used on the most serious of crimes.
I'd prefer all crimes, assuming a quick & painless process. It's a relief that way.

Are you suggesting overdose with Marijuana, which is not possible?

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Postby Sosi » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:14 am

Ifreann wrote:
Sosi wrote:I'd prefer all crimes, assuming a quick & painless process. It's a relief that way.

...what?
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Postby The Princes of the Universe » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:15 am

Sosi wrote:
Socialist Tera wrote:Yes, only for mass murderers, rapists or terrorist. It is only used on the most serious of crimes.

I'd prefer all crimes, assuming a quick & painless process. It's a relief that way.

Run a red light; get executed. Charming. :roll:
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Postby Frenline Delpha » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:16 am

As long as the crime is befitting of capital punishment, I support it. Murder being the only crime I believe deserves capital punishment.
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