Copenhagen shooting during debate on Islam

[Master Shake]

To be precise not all muslims in France are poor. What about the muslims doctors and other people of the privileged ...?

To be fair I'm not conceding, but I am ignorant about French society....

Then why the fuck did you make a statement that all Muslims in France are rich and drive nice cars

Well a rich guy who went to Paris last year said he saw nothing, but muslims driving fancy cars around the Eiffel Tower...

[Sun Wukong]

I think faith in general is the problem. Moderates of religion have a history of not necessarily condemning their own fundamentalists.

Why do moderates have a responsibilty for condemning fundamentalists?

Doesn't everybody?

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

Then why the fuck did you make a statement that all Muslims in France are rich and drive nice cars

Well a rich guy who went to Paris last year said he saw nothing, but muslims driving fancy cars around the Eiffel Tower...

I'm betting that your pal there is more likely a racist.

[Sun Wukong]

Then why the fuck did you make a statement that all Muslims in France are rich and drive nice cars

Well a rich guy who went to Paris last year said he saw nothing, but muslims driving fancy cars around the Eiffel Tower...

Uh huh...

And that didn't sound at all suspicious to you?

[Costa Fierro]

Well a rich guy who went to Paris last year said he saw nothing, but muslims driving fancy cars around the Eiffel Tower...

There are dozens of rich Muslims driving supercars around London, so presumably by that same logic, all Muslims in Britain are rich? If the same person told you the Queen of England was into anal, would you believe him?

[The Alma Mater]

I think faith in general is the problem. Moderates of religion have a history of not necessarily condemning their own fundamentalists.

Why do moderates have a responsibilty for condemning fundamentalists?

Civic duty ?

And pragmatically: if you are a minority, chances are that people do not know very much about you. If a very vocal part of your population group paints you in a bad light people will tend to accept them as representatives for the whole group. They will not make similar assumptions for groups they are vastly better familiar with - so with those there is less need to cry out with every bad deed. So yes, there is indeed inequality there - but such is the reality of life.

[Costa Fierro]

Well a rich guy who went to Paris last year said he saw nothing, but muslims driving fancy cars around the Eiffel Tower...

I'm betting that your pal there is more likely a racist.

Nonsense. One of his friends might be black.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

Why do moderates have a responsibilty for condemning fundamentalists?

Civic duty ?

And pragmatically: if you are a minority, chances are that people do not know very much about you. If a very vocal part of your population group paints you in a bad light people will tend to accept them as representatives for the whole group. They will not make similar assumptions for groups they are vastly better familiar with - so with those there is less need to cry out with every bad deed. So yes, there is indeed inequality there - but such is the reality of life.

As it stands, we have decried the fundamentalists over and over, and we have been ignored because it is inconvenient for the media to acknowledge outright that we are not wholly bad people. They are too far invested in their terror-farming to say "oh, yeah, well the vast majority of the Muslims are totally cool people it's just these cunts." So, if you want us to just condemn them, there you go, we have done it. You just haven't heard much about it because hearing about it isn't what the reactionaries want.

[Master Shake]

Well a rich guy who went to Paris last year said he saw nothing, but muslims driving fancy cars around the Eiffel Tower...

I'm betting that your pal there is more likely a racist.

Nah he has a spanish wife....

Well a rich guy who went to Paris last year said he saw nothing, but muslims driving fancy cars around the Eiffel Tower...

There are dozens of rich Muslims driving supercars around London, so presumably by that same logic, all Muslims in Britain are rich? If the same person told you the Queen of England was into anal, would you believe him?

LOL well according to Hellsing Abridged the Queen is a closet Lesbian...I know..I know a bad joke, but I couldn't resist it!

I'm betting that your pal there is more likely a racist.

Nonsense. One of his friends might be black.

Not since High School...

[Sun Wukong]

Well a rich guy who went to Paris last year said he saw nothing, but muslims driving fancy cars around the Eiffel Tower...

There are dozens of rich Muslims driving supercars around London, so presumably by that same logic, all Muslims in Britain are rich? If the same person told you the Queen of England was into anal, would you believe him?

Well even a broken clock...

[West Aurelia]

Civic duty ?

And pragmatically: if you are a minority, chances are that people do not know very much about you. If a very vocal part of your population group paints you in a bad light people will tend to accept them as representatives for the whole group. They will not make similar assumptions for groups they are vastly better familiar with - so with those there is less need to cry out with every bad deed. So yes, there is indeed inequality there - but such is the reality of life.

As it stands, we have decried the fundamentalists over and over, and we have been ignored because it is inconvenient for the media to acknowledge outright that we are not wholly bad people. They are too far invested in their terror-farming to say "oh, yeah, well the vast majority of the Muslims are totally cool people it's just these cunts." So, if you want us to just condemn them, there you go, we have done it. You just haven't heard much about it because hearing about it isn't what the reactionaries want.

^ This.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

I'm betting that your pal there is more likely a racist.

Nah he has a spanish wife....

The majority of Spanish-identifying people are white.

[Master Shake]

Nah he has a spanish wife....

The majority of Spanish-identifying people are white.

My bad she is actually Colombian...my bad, but is that a kind of spanish?

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

The majority of Spanish-identifying people are white.

My bad she is actually Colombian...is that a kind of spanish?

It depends on her ancestry in that case. But a lot of Hispanic people identify as white, unless they know or believe to be descended from non-europeans.

[The Alma Mater]

Civic duty ?

And pragmatically: if you are a minority, chances are that people do not know very much about you. If a very vocal part of your population group paints you in a bad light people will tend to accept them as representatives for the whole group. They will not make similar assumptions for groups they are vastly better familiar with - so with those there is less need to cry out with every bad deed. So yes, there is indeed inequality there - but such is the reality of life.

As it stands, we have decried the fundamentalists over and over, and we have been ignored because it is inconvenient for the media to acknowledge outright that we are not wholly bad people. They are too far invested in their terror-farming to say "oh, yeah, well the vast majority of the Muslims are totally cool people it's just these cunts." So, if you want us to just condemn them, there you go, we have done it. You just haven't heard much about it because hearing about it isn't what the reactionaries want.

It is true that the media seems to prefer the negative outlook.

"A few muslims do something bad ? Let us show interviews with other muslims whose idea of condemnation is saying "yes, that's bad, but... (insert long list of excuses that imply it is all the fault of the west, Israel etc. and NOT of the jerks themselves)."

"A few muslims organise a protest against IS violence ? Quickly - let us show only a few dozen showed up and then move to the thousands of angry muslims protesting against the drawings of Hebdo ! "

Etc. etc.

But that just means that you are not being loud enough.
As I said: there is unequality here. You sadly have no choice but to work even harder. VASTLY harder.

[Costa Fierro]

Well even a broken clock...

Except this isn't a broken clock. It's someone looking at some birds and saying "look at all those chickens" when they're quite clearly ducks.

[Master Shake]

Well even a broken clock...

Except this isn't a broken clock. It's someone looking at some birds and saying "look at all those chickens" when they're quite clearly ducks.

hhahahahahaha I used to and still do call birds Chickens because A I used to call them chickens as a little boy and B I love little chickens and I also they are one of my favorite animals...It is hard for me to eat what I love...

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

As it stands, we have decried the fundamentalists over and over, and we have been ignored because it is inconvenient for the media to acknowledge outright that we are not wholly bad people. They are too far invested in their terror-farming to say "oh, yeah, well the vast majority of the Muslims are totally cool people it's just these cunts." So, if you want us to just condemn them, there you go, we have done it. You just haven't heard much about it because hearing about it isn't what the reactionaries want.

It is true that the media seems to prefer the negative outlook.

"A few muslims do something bad ? Let us show interviews with other muslims whose idea of condemnation is saying "yes, that's bad, but... (insert long list of excuses that imply it is all the fault of the west, Israel etc. and NOT of the jerks themselves)."

"A few muslims organise a protest against IS violence ? Quickly - let us show only a few dozen showed up and then move to the thousands of angry muslims protesting against the drawings of Hebdo ! "

Etc. etc.

But that just means that you are not being loud enough.
As I said: there is unequality here. You sadly have no choice but to work even harder. VASTLY harder.

But here's the thing: When we are being falsely represented, and we have no obligation to anyone but Our Creator to show any sort of political stance on any issue, we may or may not chose to give up and go on with our lives.

The shitty part of "Be louder!" is that when we get loud, people interpret being loud with being angry. And it doesn't matter what you message is, if you shout it, people are going to accuse you of things. In our case, if we get loud about condemning fundies, we get painted as "Outraged Muslims Upset About Stuff." ie, they are going to paint us negatively no matter what we do. Unless everyone stops buying into their fear-mongering, there is nothing we can do but be quiet and try to go unnoticed by the racist down the street who is going to blame the Nigerian mother of three who came to a new country to live a better life for a murder that a half-Arabic man committed half a world away.

[Sun Wukong]

Well even a broken clock...

Except this isn't a broken clock. It's someone looking at some birds and saying "look at all those chickens" when they're quite clearly ducks.

I'm just saying that the Queen actually is quite fond of anal.

...don't ask how I know that.

[The Conez Imperium]

I hope this doesn't lead to any more ignorant debates.

Next at 9pm Are Muslims out to destroy our civilisation?

[Risottia]

Ha, not surprised. Denmark has let the EU ravage them with Muslims, only time could tell how long it would be until an Islamic shooting in their country.

My thoughts go out to the families affected by this.

i thought denmark had one of the tightest immigration laws in Europe

And by the way, immigration from outside Europe to EU countries isn't regulated by the EU.

[Risottia]

Then why the fuck did you make a statement that all Muslims in France are rich and drive nice cars

Well a rich guy who went to Paris last year said he saw nothing, but muslims driving fancy cars around the Eiffel Tower...

He clearly was never in Paris. You can't drive around la Tour Eiffel, because it's inside the Parc du Champs de Mars.

[Trevor Phillip Enterprises]

Well a rich guy who went to Paris last year said he saw nothing, but muslims driving fancy cars around the Eiffel Tower...

He clearly was never in Paris. You can't drive around la Tour Eiffel, because it's inside the Parc du Champs de Mars.

Maybe it was the one in Vegas? Explains why they are driving the cars.

[Tsaraine]

Well a rich guy who went to Paris last year said he saw nothing, but muslims driving fancy cars around the Eiffel Tower...

He clearly was never in Paris. You can't drive around la Tour Eiffel, because it's inside the Parc du Champs de Mars.

It turns out there are rather a lot of Eiffel Tower replicas. Also places named Paris. Some of them are actually located in towns named Paris (in Texas, Tennessee, and Michigan) but these are all at substantially reduced scales. So it's possible that the unknown "rich guy" was actually in America during a Muslim-American Pride Festival, and was an idiot. But it's probable that the "idiot" part goes without saying.

[Risottia]

He clearly was never in Paris. You can't drive around la Tour Eiffel, because it's inside the Parc du Champs de Mars.

It turns out there are rather a lot of Eiffel Tower replicas. Also places named Paris. Some of them are actually located in towns named Paris (in Texas, Tennessee, and Michigan) but these are all at substantially reduced scales. So it's possible that the unknown "rich guy" was actually in America during a Muslim-American Pride Festival, and was an idiot. But it's probable that the "idiot" part goes without saying.

That's a shrewd and poignant guess. *hat off*